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Hi Mitch Yes I am the guilty person and sincere apologies I didn't realise that it was indeed your route from the early 80s (or anyone else's). I think I probably did it very many years ago but only recall the name but not the route. I would not have retrobolted it if I had known. No excuses. Although I agree that I was in the wrong I do not think it the best course of action to remove the bolts other than to prove the point that I was wrong (which I admit). It seems quite likely that the bolts would be replaced in the next year or so as the remainder of the crag is likely to be bolted/retrobolted. This would only damage (if that is indeed the right word) the rock further. I presume you remember 'our' first ascent on Stanage of similar vintage? A pleasant day out as I recall (something to do with Magic Roundabout). Anyhow, on a lighter note, I hope you are keeping well and still climbing and enjoying it as much as ever (I certainly am - apart from the distress I seem to have caused with the above!). Once again apologies. All the best Tony

In reply to paul mitchell:

Who put the bolts in should take them out.

In reply to paul mitchell:

Didn't he post exactly this as his contribution to the original thread?

What are you looking for with another thread?

One thing that is very clear in this discussion is that the bolts are going.

The only thing that remains to be determined is will Tony have the decency to remove them himself or will it be someone else. I suspect the latter.

The minor issue of the FA / logbook entry is clear - it doesn't stand and should be removed.

In reply to paul mitchell:
By all means go and pull the bolts out, but noisily whining about it on UKC will not achieve very much...

PS my complaint here is about unnecessarily starting a new thread.

In reply to winhill:

Mick Ryan said in an email that trad was safe.Evidently not,when a classic E5 is retrobolted.

In reply to paul mitchell:


"Classic" - careful with the hyperbole.


Chris

In reply to Chris Craggs:

These things are subjective, surely?

Including what hyperbole is. ()