In reply to Fionatheclimber: Yes it has been said many times before, only a few (~2000) were printed and then no more. The original printing plates were lost/destroyed/who knows but as this was pre-digital I think that means that it would cost too much to re-print and it's not known whether or not there is the demand.
However, they did a complete re-issue of Classic rock in a larger format with better pictures. Perhaps Vertabrate could find a way of re-issuing it. But I don't think there will the demand.
I have a copy and although I think it's nice, it's not a patch on Rock Climbers In Action in Snowdonia (which is what Mr Wilson DID NOT want Extreme Rock to look like) or the Black Cliff.
I don't operate at the grade of most of the climbs in ER so I can't comment on the selection and associated classic status. But I do think that the vast majority of the phot's are 'up the bum' shots and as a result not that inspiring...
I paid a similar amount to you for mine, which doesn't have a dustjacket and one page has a large tear in it.
Personally, I'm not bothered about having a mint condition copy, I don't covet nice things. I have Extreme Rock because it is a very inspirational book, with some poor routes and photos but a great many very good ones also.
I even tick the routes I have done off in the back of the book. I doubt I'll ever wish to sell it so why not?
In reply to contrariousjim: I have a copy of Camera on the Crags very good condition, bought for £40.
I also have the new Capturing the Mountains which includes many of the original plates from that book and there is a special mention to the late Alan Hankinson for bringing the climbing photos back from semi obscurity.
In reply to Jim Walton: I have always wanted a copy of 'Rock climbers in action in Snowdonia'.
There was a copy in local library and I was very tempted to 'borrow' it.
It is no longer there
Maybe someone else gave in to temptation?
I've got a few in my collection at pretty much the standard price for the particular book. People pay for rarity so big names who are common signatories often fetch much less than you might think. Frankly I just want the books because they are interesting or for guidebook research and I wish they would just publish e-copies so those like me can step off the runaway train.
In reply to Bob: Interesting, I have 'Hard' (version 1), Classic (v1), Extreme and Ice, Plus Ghastly Rubberface as we used to ca1l it, plus Mountain magazines Nos 2-10. My wife would love it if I chucked them, but I ca now say it's an investment!
Another reason, filthy greed aside, why I'd like to get rid of my copy of Extreme Rock is that it sits very uneasily in amongst my books on Chopin, Pergolesi, Schnittke, Bartůk and the rest, giving at first glance quite the wrong impression.
Early? I'll show you early - Pete Crew and Al Harris , Tremadoc Area from West Col Coastal Climbing Group, Grey cover, publish date 1970, 16 black and white crag photos, hardest grade XS. In my hands right now. Offers?
What you must remember people is that when companies run out of stock of an item on their bay of e shop, instead of removing it they hike the price up to a stupid amount so that people don't buy it. I think they do it because it is a pain in the arse to remove an item and then re list it when they get a re-stock.
I suspect the folks do the same on Amazon.
For a sensible cross reference on a books worth is to look it up on either;
or visit Chris Bartles site
or the american site
However there are a few details that will make your book worth more or less.
1) First Edition, First Printing in UK are the most valuable to UK collectors. There are however, quite a few books that were first printed in the USA.
2) The Book must have its original dust jacket (DJ) and not be "price clipped". This is where the book seller cuts off the corner of the dust jacket where the publisher had placed the recommended retail price.
3) Relevant signatures i.e. Author, person who wrote the forward, significant person who is referred to in the book. I'm yet to find a book with a fake signature but I'm sure if the market is out there for them then they will appear. Personally I don't see the point in buying a book with a signature already in it. Why not go to the book launch and meet the author. There are some un written rules about getting books signed but let us not get into that.
4) Dedications can actually de-value a book even if it is written by the Author. If the book is dedicated to "Phil and Sue, Best wishes" then the re-sale value is lower unless you happen to be Phil and Sue.
5) Condition of Dust Jacket. Quite a few of the books published in the 60's and 70's were on a style of paper that really faded in the sun. Chris Boningtons books are a good example of this, it's quite rare to find a 1st Edition of "I chose to climb" where you can read the red lettering on the spine of the DJ, same goes for "Annapurna South Face". Tears are bad, badly repaired tears are worse. Sellotape is the devils sticking plaster.
6) Ex-library books are the bane of every collector. You think you've finally found a copy of a certain book for peanuts only to discover that it's an ex-library book with stamps and stickers. Try as you will the stickers just will not come out. I have tried every type of glue remover known to man, I have applied enough heat to a sticker to melt granite and still the glue does not release. It's incredible. They DO NOT come off! People often "forget" to mention it in there adds on bay of e - makes my piss boil. They often try to hide it by tearing out the first page where the sticker is placed, the book is now worthless to a collector.
7) Rare books are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. I have a Copy of Don Whillan's Portrait of a Mountaineer signed by Don, Joe Brown, Chris Bonington, Doug Scott, Tut Braithwaite and Martin Boysen or a copy of Black Cliff signed by Joe Brown, Johnny Dawes, Ron Fawcett, Al Parker, Tut Braithwaite, Chris Bonington and Martin Boysen. Technically they are probably worth £800 each but i doubt I would find someone willing to pay that.
8) There are some real rare books out their, Publishers draft proof reading copies limited edition runs (100 books only ever printed etc).
Are there any new books that will become collectors pieces? I think Peak Rock Sleeve edition will become valuable. Especially if it comes with rare signatures like Steve Bancroft, John Allan etc.
In reply to Jim Walton: Since you appear to know everything on the subject ... Is a first edition of W.H. Murray's Mountaineering in Scotland worth anything? Good condition, no dusk jacket, dedication to some "Fiona" in Edinburgh 1947. I'm not selling, but curious. I bought it in a charity bookshop in Winchester for a pound.
In reply to Jim Walton: I've got the sleeve peak rock signed by bancroft, fawcett, dawes, moffat, moon, bentley (and the authors). Won't be selling it though. I Think offwidth's partner has one with a multitude more signatures than that though!
Co1in H (of this Parish) is by far the UKC expert on matters of the book, I am a mere begineer compared to him.
If your book was signed by Murray and had its dust jacket then it could go for £200. Without, then it might drop to ~£125. If you can find someone with the original dust wrapper and get a colour copy of it then the book with the new jacket is worth more than just without.
> (In reply to Offwidth)
> Amazon knows its true value
> "Trade in Extreme Rock: Great British Rock Climbs for an Amazon Gift Card of up to £0.06, which you can then spend on millions of items across the site. "
> Ha, cunning question... are you buying or selling!?
felt is selling. i got to handle it and can vouch for its fine+ condition. (i felt like marty reaching for nigel's foam green fender;)
250 seems a fair price compared to those inferior condition copies on amazon..
Yes, how many of us these days have a personal book-dealer? 10% of the cut ain't half a bad deal either (I should really be looking at £275 to cover this). I know full well that Offwidth wants to do business, really, deep down, and that he's just playing the coy long game, trying to wear me down with the waiting, the affronts, &c, &c.
Thanks to Jim Walton for the mention and accolade. I'll take it!!!
The Murray mentioned might be worth £10 if it's in good nick. If it had no name in it and had a wrapper it might be worth £40 retail.A wrapper can be half the total value, depending on the book. I have a signed copy direct from a friend of Murray.
Don't get climbers to sign a book that they are not in! Unless it's a generic book, like Everest by Gillman.
To stick to the topic I bought Extreme Rock when it was first published at the special offer price of £24.95 in 1987. It is signed by the compilers, Ken Wilson and Bernard Newman, although Ken has always insisted that it is Bernard's book, not his. It's also signed by Mick Fowler, John Porter, Gary Gibson, John Sheard, Geoff Birtles, Martin Boysen and Rab Carrington, all of whom feature in the book. What it's worth doesn't matter as I wouldn't sell it, my children will!
Some folk don't like photocopy wrappers. I do, but mark them clearly on the flap that it is a photocopy so there is no confusion should a book get sold.
I have Extreme Rock. Bought when it first appeared, from Tanky (He drove a hard bargain!). It is unsigned. I have read it many times and have no intention of selling it.
A book is only worth what others are willing to pay for it. I read it most years and still find it worth the time and effort. I will not sell it as it is worth more to me than what I will get for it.
In the USA they offer silly money for it!