In reply to Bob:
> The whole crag was basically dug out of the hillside - the first time I did Great End Corner in the early 1980s there was still a huge pile of debris maybe 20ft deep at the base, originally it was reckoned at nearly 40ft,
I can vouch for that, having done it in 1975, a couple of months after it was dug out. We were down from Scotland, completely ignorant of recent Lakes development, and at the crag to do Great End Pillar, a sixties route that was then HVS with a peg for aid. We did that and became aware of this great pile of rotting vegetation so climbed over it and up the route above it. A local who seemed to know what he was about turned up and told us it must have been the 3rd or 4th ascent. Comment in my diary is "a bit loose but excellent".