In reply to Quarryboy:
Yes, those guys are very important.
But this article was not meant for a debate, but a perception on non-sponsored, climbing friends who are passionate about climbing, and that a lot of up-coming climbers who are plagued by advertising can look at and think, hey I don't have to climb 9a.
It's not that I haven't included martin or guy for any reason in this article, but they are not relevant for the topic I am talking about.
If you don't anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.