UKC

Morning ,

I think I've developed an addiction to titanium cookware.
Is this normal ?

Got the chainset from Alpkit and I'm now hooked on the look feel and lightness of this stuff.
Ordered the snapwire cutlery, and now I'm searching for yet more shiny shiny goodies.

Please help me beat this terrible disease.


OM

In reply to Onion magnet:
No worries, your wallet will stop you... eventually.

Stop shopping, start climbing.

Edit: forgot to mention. Try to actually cook in (not just water). Then try to clean it. Then tell us if you still feel like buying more...

In reply to Onion magnet:

learn a bit more more about titanium and you will save yourself by recognising that the welds on most of this stuff is crap and refusing to buy it. At this point "acceptable" titanium cookware will cost about as much as the GDP of a small country and you will be saved.

In reply to davidbeynon:


Are you saying the Alpkit stuff is crap then ?

OM

In reply to tjin:



I'm at work so can't do that


I've not actually gone for the pots and pans yet as they aren't non stick and I'm suspicious of things like that. I've just the cutlery so far and will bare what your saying in mind and not buy the cookware itself.

Thanks

OM

In reply to Onion magnet:

Well you wouldn't trust most consumer grade welds to hold your brand new fighter jet or space capsule together. Whether or not you think that effects their utility as cookware depends on how far gone your Ti obsession is.

In reply to davidbeynon:


Ha ha ,

I have neither fighter jets or space capsules in my cooking set.

Although those afterburners and thrusters might make light work of cooking my lunch.
Not sure about where to buy the fuel from though.



OM

In reply to Onion magnet:
This might help:

http://www.decathlon.co.uk/folding-spoon-hiking-and-camping-pots-and-cutler...

Cost increase when buying alpkit foldable spoon: 100%
Weight decrease when buying alpkit foldable spoon: 9.5%
Cost of weight savings per gram: 1 pound

I bet you can not feel the difference in weight between the two!

To put things in perspective:
If you had to choose between a 2.1 kg / 300 quid tent, or a similar 1.9 kg / 600 quid tent, what would it be?

In reply to timmeehhhh:
If you saved 10% weight on everything you owned, then yes - you would feel the difference

Most ULers do begin with the tent, the pack and the sleeping bag - where the investment in weight saving makes the most sense. Also you can quite easily save 50% weight from a tent - for example I use a tent similar to this one (older model I think): http://www.tarptent.com/momentdw.html
0.96kg, and I paid about £225 delivered - so you have saved yourself £75 and cut off a kg!

In reply to timmeehhhh:







Well if money isn't an issue I could use the other 0.2 kg on food or water.

Thanks for that but I can "feel the difference" in my mind (and pocket)

Like I said it's a terrible disease with real doctors and everything..

ha ha

OM

In reply to SenzuBean:

Nah. I know how this works. You just make up the difference with more light weight gear until you can't walk again.

In reply to SenzuBean:

I thought that was a given.

In reply to davidbeynon:

Sorry I thought you were posting a clever reply - I'll delete my snarky post.

In reply to timmeehhhh:

It will ALWAYS be the more expensive tent, regardless of weight!

It will have some fancy sounding feature that clearly justifies the extra spending (at least when you are a proper gear whore like me.....)

CB

In reply to Onion magnet:

Or instead you could have a 400 gr wee, save more weight, and spend 200 quid on fuel to get you to the alps

In reply to timmeehhhh:


That's how i see it.

Have a poo and blow your nose before you set off.

Weight saved!

In reply to davidbeynon:

I can't see any welds on my pots, except for the bracket for the wire handles. They appear to be in one piece like most pots. The handles ain't gonna come off any time soon.

In reply to timmeehhhh:

As a cyclist 1g per pound is about right.

In reply to Siward:


Good to hear considering the alarmists post about welds.
It's cookware not aeroplanes.
Now if I had to fly to Australia on my folding knife I might take it more seriously.



OM

In reply to Onion magnet:

Metal cooking implements and non-stick pans? No thanks...

In reply to captain paranoia:

Ha ha ha.
Go back to your tree house . You hippy !


Jokingly of course.

OM

In reply to Onion magnet:

You misunderstand... Non-stick coatings are fragile (well, PTFE-based ones are). Metal cutlery quickly damages the coating. Ti cutlery has quite sharp edges, making the situation worse. Use wooden, plastic or preferably silicone cutlery with PTFE coated pans.

Ti pans are no lighter than an aluminium equivalent, but they're much worse to cook with. I have a titan kettle, an Alpkit mytipot and mytimug, a trangia 27ti pot and a 450ml Ti mug. If I want to cook, I'll take Al pans...

In reply to captain paranoia:



I was joking.
This isnt my first BBQ . (forgive the analogy)
I have lots of pots , pans, cutlery and stoves. I'm a gear freak.
Just my first titanium set. I never cook with sharp edges for fear of damaging my gear which has do far lasted about 10 years.
Exactly why I don't buy aluminium sets .

OM

In reply to Onion magnet:

If you want to wean yourself off the addiction to Alpkit ti gear, get some Evernew pots.

In reply to Onion magnet:
Titanium has a bigger carbon footprint than aluminium, which has a bigger footprint than steel.

Buying titanium makes you a...PLANET KILLER!

Booo hiiissss

In reply to captain paranoia:

I only use titanium pans for basic cooking- heating stuff up rather than proper cuisine. The pans are ideal for that sort of backpacking use. The non stick (lids only) claims to be some sort of ceramic wizardry which is lasting well.

For cooking meals from scratch I use my old MSR stainless steel pots which are tough as old boots.

In reply to Onion magnet:




Are you honestly saying you have never been in the position where you had to build a powered hang glider from your cooking kit and tent? I thought that was an almost inevitable scenario when backpacking.

In reply to timmeehhhh:









If that logic worked bike manufacturers would be out of Business.

In reply to sheep:




Sorry that argument never works as you'd do that as well anyway.

In reply to neuromancer:


Unless buying Durace...

In reply to davidbeynon:


I doubt you know enough about welding to actually qualify this, sounds like hot air.

In reply to Onion magnet:

Just because I'm so sad.

The weight figures for the snap wires are as follows

Spoon = 17.64g
Knife = 13.91g
Fork = 13.04g



OM

In reply to James Campbell:
I seem to have annoyed a lot of people with that comment. I hoped I wouldn't have to point out that I wasn't actually being entirely serious, but this /is/ UKC I suppose.

In reply to Onion magnet:

I am truly impressed that you are measuring to the hundredth of a gram. Do you file bits off your cookware to bring the weight down?

In reply to davidbeynon:


I wouldn't worry about it , I'm just glad the build quality is good.



Ha ha ha,
Not yet.

Don't be giving me ideas now

OM

In reply to Onion magnet:

I do know someone who used to use a toothbrush with the handle cut off to save weight. Clean teeth are worth this many grams and no more!

In reply to Onion magnet:

I think it works out even cheaper to shelve plans to buy any more Ti, and cut out cooking altogether.

Less weight means you'll move even faster, until hypoglycaemic.

Then - just think how much money you'll have saved- it's just the cost of a mobile 'phone call and, once the MRT have got you back to the road, a small donation to them.

In reply to llechwedd:
This true, there is always the roasted soya bean brigade shunning hot meals. The thing is one would have to be a very odd soul to be content sitting in the tent of an evening chewing some beans...

In reply to Onion magnet:

Oh I've gone and done it again !

The fever seems to be amplified by the heatwave were suffering.

It's a mug this time . My poor wallet



OM

In reply to davidbeynon:


My 'travel' toothbrush has only half a handle - but then I am sad. I also take half a scourer to clean my pans.

In reply to Onion magnet:

Save even more weight by eating with your hands/fingers, soup, no problem just drink it out the tin.
Save weight on toilet paper by using moss / sheep.
Save more weight by not taking a toothbrush, you can easily go a day or two without brushing