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Coldest July in living memory has just passed.
No doubt the Metoffice, Grauniad, BBC and the warmists will tell us globally it has been the hottest July globally on record. It all depends on how you measure the global average - a highly contentious issue.

In reply to Dave Cumberland:

Are you confusing weather and climate?

In reply to Dave Cumberland:



Well actually it hasn't. It's just been a bit cooler than average. But carry on making stuff up if you like

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-07-31/july-2015-wet-and-grey-but-with...

In reply to Dave Cumberland:

You probably take a global average by considering the whole planet, rather than just a small island on the edge of the Atlantic. How do you think it should be done?

In reply to MG:

First time I can remember seeing my breath in July, June yes many times but not usually in the Seventh Month.

In reply to Bob:


Not at all.

In reply to MG:


Seems like you are the fantasist.

In reply to Dave Cumberland:




Yo shure fick as pig shit buoy! Cud av maibea cum wit somtink cleverer but yos OP dint deserves it buoy!

In reply to Dave Cumberland:
So how do you think that the UK having possibly its coldest July day on record (not the coldest July overall, though - remember that there was a heatwave at the start of the month) disproves the idea that the global climate, as a whole, is getting warmer?

In reply to Dave Cumberland:
(As an aside, am I the only person in the UK who remembers from year to year that summers in the UK normally have a mix of good and bad weather? Improbably large numbers of people who I talk to seem to think that anything other than consistently warm sunny weather from June through to September is shockingly abnormal and possibly some sort of biblical curse...)

In reply to tony:

Much of the west and south of the USA has had a very hot July. In Texas alone, which is three time the size of the UK, the temperatures have been around 40 C every day. The weather on our windswept isle is not very representative of global climate.

In reply to Dave Cumberland:

Go on then. What are you basing the claim that "coldest July in living memory has just passed" on?

In reply to Dave Cumberland:


Very true for my son. It was his 3rd.

He too isn't convinced about global warming, but then he's also not convinced about eating savoury food, or that what the f**k the Soup Dragon is in Space Mouse (our name for the Clangers).

I certainly hope he comes around to trusting two of those things.

In reply to Dave Cumberland:

and much of central and southern europe has been in the grips of a serious heatwave all month...

In reply to Willi Crater:

you what??

In reply to Dave Cumberland:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/08/03/searing-164-degree-temps-in-iran-as...

it's Fox news, should be ok for yer.

In reply to all:

You know the rule "don't feed the troll"?

well if we assume this isn't a troll can we start a new rule "don't feed the moron" ?

In reply to Webster:


Indeed - we've been out in France the last couple of weeks and the first week was stiflingly hot - an unopened bottle of wine left in the shade broke the seal and pushed the cork part way out due to the heat expanding the contents. A French newspaper was talking about the "desertification of the south".

When global warming was first raised as a concern in the late 1980s, one of the predictions was that the UK/NW Europe would have both more extreme weather and"unseasonable" weather. Guess what we've been having? One other possibility raised was that increased melt of the west Greenland ice sheet would increase the cooling effect of the Labrador current on the Gulf Stream which could send NW Europe in to a new ice age despite rising temperatures elsewhere.

It's not just one indicator of rising global temperatures on which scientists base the concept of global warming but several independent ones all of which are in close correlation.

In reply to Dave Cumberland:

The various weather sites show that historically it rains suprisingly often in July. When I was in Pembroke early last month, the suggestion was that it seemed to have rained as often as it didn't on any given day

In reply to Dave Cumberland:

No, actually it isn't contentious at all. There is an overwhelming consensus amongst scientists, i.e. the people who actually know what they're talking about beyond "it stands to reason" and "well, it's a bit chilly where I am so climate change isn't real, innit."
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

In reply to Bob:
It's a simplistic explanation, but warming= more heat. More heat= more energy, and more energy in a system leads to more extremes and unpredictability. Mind, that isn't as simplistic as saying it's a bit cold and wet today, therefore the overwhelming scientific consensus must be hopelessly wrong....

In reply to Dave Cumberland:



Yet at the same time it produced the hottest July day ever recorded!