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Pics circulating showing sizeable water fall from the top - first time in living memory??
UKC Staff Edit: Here's a link to a UKC News Item with video: http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=70129
UKC Staff Edit: Here's a link to a UKC News Item with video: http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=70129
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In reply to planetmarshall:
Can see images at:
Beck Hall on Facebook, as well as UKC on Facebook.
Can see images at:
Beck Hall on Facebook, as well as UKC on Facebook.
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In reply to CasWebb:
Im lost for words. That's astounding.
Only live 40 mins away, wish I'd known!
Thank you for posting
Cheers
Gregor
Im lost for words. That's astounding.
Only live 40 mins away, wish I'd known!
Thank you for posting
Cheers
Gregor
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In reply to Bluebird:
Niagra Falls at back of Goredale Scar , impossible to climb out the back, amazing. Never seen it that way in all my years.
Niagra Falls at back of Goredale Scar , impossible to climb out the back, amazing. Never seen it that way in all my years.
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In reply to Kevster:
And probably Britains most impressive....
glomach hard to see properly (without risking life and limb!), never seen eas a'chuil aulinn but photos seem to show it as cascades instead of free falling, falls of Clyde scores points on volume but not height- the video of Malham is like a little bit of Yosemite in Yorkshire!
Ps how long was it flowing for? And is this really the first time in living memory its flowed?
And probably Britains most impressive....
glomach hard to see properly (without risking life and limb!), never seen eas a'chuil aulinn but photos seem to show it as cascades instead of free falling, falls of Clyde scores points on volume but not height- the video of Malham is like a little bit of Yosemite in Yorkshire!
Ps how long was it flowing for? And is this really the first time in living memory its flowed?
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In reply to no_more_scotch_eggs:
Flowing for at least 3 hours, the timing of my walk in dry valleys above and back
Flowing for at least 3 hours, the timing of my walk in dry valleys above and back
In reply to Orgsm:
Looking forward to seeing your photos, and so very jealous...!
Not just a once in a lifetime opportunity, that was a once in several lifetimes opportunity!!
Looking forward to seeing your photos, and so very jealous...!
Not just a once in a lifetime opportunity, that was a once in several lifetimes opportunity!!
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In reply to Bluebird:
It is also quite amazing how quickly Wikipedia is updated, considering today is the 6th December.
"6 December 2015 the waterfall reappeared temporarily for the first time in living memory after very heavy rainfall[3], prior to that the last record of water flowing over the fall in any kind of volume dates back to a period of heavy rain in the early 19th century."
"Brown, Jonathan. "Video: Storm Desmond causes Malham Cove to become stunning waterfall for first time in centuries". Yorkshire Post. Johnson Press. Retrieved 6 December 2015."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malham_Cove
It is also quite amazing how quickly Wikipedia is updated, considering today is the 6th December.
"6 December 2015 the waterfall reappeared temporarily for the first time in living memory after very heavy rainfall[3], prior to that the last record of water flowing over the fall in any kind of volume dates back to a period of heavy rain in the early 19th century."
"Brown, Jonathan. "Video: Storm Desmond causes Malham Cove to become stunning waterfall for first time in centuries". Yorkshire Post. Johnson Press. Retrieved 6 December 2015."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malham_Cove
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In reply to MikeYouCanClimb:
Heavy rain , ha ha. It started about 6pm Friday night and dint stop raining till about 9am this morning. So 39 hours, and heavy it was.
Heavy rain , ha ha. It started about 6pm Friday night and dint stop raining till about 9am this morning. So 39 hours, and heavy it was.
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In reply to MikeYouCanClimb:
Says there that you can go "free climbing" and "winter climbing" at Malham also. Interesting stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malham_Cove
Says there that you can go "free climbing" and "winter climbing" at Malham also. Interesting stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malham_Cove
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In reply to Bluebird:
Impressive as it was, it was never the highest waterfall in England, and not even the highest in North Yorkshire. That distinction belongs to the 90 metre fall made by Fell Beck on Ingelborough as it tumbles from the surface into the main chamber of Gaping Gill. Malham Cove is only 70 metres high.
Impressive as it was, it was never the highest waterfall in England, and not even the highest in North Yorkshire. That distinction belongs to the 90 metre fall made by Fell Beck on Ingelborough as it tumbles from the surface into the main chamber of Gaping Gill. Malham Cove is only 70 metres high.
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In reply to David Rose:
You don't mean that a false rumour has spread around the internet because no-one checked the facts?
You don't mean that a false rumour has spread around the internet because no-one checked the facts?
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In reply to David Rose:
but higher than Hadraw Force, making it the highest unbroken waterfall above ground in Yorkshire (and the UK)
But I did find the the stuff on wikipedia re the stream that sinks above the cove isn't the same one that appears at the bottom interesting
but higher than Hadraw Force, making it the highest unbroken waterfall above ground in Yorkshire (and the UK)
But I did find the the stuff on wikipedia re the stream that sinks above the cove isn't the same one that appears at the bottom interesting
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In reply to Bluebird:
As it looks so spectacular, why not make it permanent by putting a piped supply of water in...
As it looks so spectacular, why not make it permanent by putting a piped supply of water in...
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In reply to Bluebird:
As Squawk said, sticky damp must be about optimal. More interesting though - is this possibly the first time all the years and years of chalk will have (surely) been washed off some of the perma-dry routes?
As Squawk said, sticky damp must be about optimal. More interesting though - is this possibly the first time all the years and years of chalk will have (surely) been washed off some of the perma-dry routes?
In reply to no_more_scotch_eggs:
I remember being told as a teenager that there had been that much rainfall a couple of times in the 1700's that there had been a waterfall at Malham Cove. The Wikipedia item above suggests later than that, but I am not sure, as it was not talked about earlier on in my life...
I remember being told as a teenager that there had been that much rainfall a couple of times in the 1700's that there had been a waterfall at Malham Cove. The Wikipedia item above suggests later than that, but I am not sure, as it was not talked about earlier on in my life...
In reply to Chris the Tall:
Malham is one of the great last great problems of UK caving. Nobody knows what happens to the water sinking into the ground just downstream of Malham Tarn. The water that comes up at the bottom of the cliff may or may not be what comes from Malham tarn. The dye tracing tests have given different results over the years so it looks like water is sinking it several places and coming out in several more, mixing in different ways depending on water levels.
It's a huge gap in the map, in between the water sinking and the bottom of the cliff is over a hundred meteres of depth potential where we havn't found any caves at all, in the Dales where caving is probably the most popular that's a bit like having an unclimbed 4000 in the Alps. The spring at the bottom of the cliff has been dived to about a kilometer back but there's an underwater boulder field that the divers can't get through.
Malham is one of the great last great problems of UK caving. Nobody knows what happens to the water sinking into the ground just downstream of Malham Tarn. The water that comes up at the bottom of the cliff may or may not be what comes from Malham tarn. The dye tracing tests have given different results over the years so it looks like water is sinking it several places and coming out in several more, mixing in different ways depending on water levels.
It's a huge gap in the map, in between the water sinking and the bottom of the cliff is over a hundred meteres of depth potential where we havn't found any caves at all, in the Dales where caving is probably the most popular that's a bit like having an unclimbed 4000 in the Alps. The spring at the bottom of the cliff has been dived to about a kilometer back but there's an underwater boulder field that the divers can't get through.
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In reply to David Rose:
Indeed but that goes from the surface underground so its the highest surface fall😉
Indeed but that goes from the surface underground so its the highest surface fall😉
In reply to veteye:
And rather more on the Craven Pothole Club (cpc) mailing list......
Re: Malham Cove Waterfall 6 December, 2015
Reading the media reports of the amazing sight of water flowing over Malham Cove, it was evident that records of the last time this happened are somewhat unclear. In fact the BBC report stated that the Yorkshire Dales National Park said it was "struggling to find out the last time it flowed as a waterfall".
Regarding historical records of waterfall activity at Malham Cove, Arthur Raistrick in his 1947 book Malham and Malham Moor (Dalesman Publishing Company, Clapham, Yorkshire) writes:
"Howson, writing in 1850, says of the Cove that "twice within the last forty years the swollen waters of the Tarn have made their way over the Cove, but the torrent was dispersed in one vast cloud of spray before it reached the bottom; its density and the magnificence of the sight may be imagined from the fact that the spectators could not approach within a hundred yards of the foot of the rock without being drenched through". Seventy-five years earlier Hurtley says, "From the Apex of the Cove, after what is in this part of the country called a Rugg, or a succession of rainy and tempestuous weather, when the Water-sink at the Southern extremity of the Tarn is unable to receive the overflux of the lake, there falls a large and heavy torrent, making a more grand and magnificent Cascade than imagination can form an idea of"."
References:
Howson, W. 1850. Illustrated Guide to the District of Craven (Malham pp. 34-47).
Hurtley, T. 1786. A Concise Account of some Natural Curiosities in the Environs of Malham, in Craven, Yorkshire. 276 pp. Oxford University.
Regards,
Ian Metcalfe
And rather more on the Craven Pothole Club (cpc) mailing list......
Re: Malham Cove Waterfall 6 December, 2015
Reading the media reports of the amazing sight of water flowing over Malham Cove, it was evident that records of the last time this happened are somewhat unclear. In fact the BBC report stated that the Yorkshire Dales National Park said it was "struggling to find out the last time it flowed as a waterfall".
Regarding historical records of waterfall activity at Malham Cove, Arthur Raistrick in his 1947 book Malham and Malham Moor (Dalesman Publishing Company, Clapham, Yorkshire) writes:
"Howson, writing in 1850, says of the Cove that "twice within the last forty years the swollen waters of the Tarn have made their way over the Cove, but the torrent was dispersed in one vast cloud of spray before it reached the bottom; its density and the magnificence of the sight may be imagined from the fact that the spectators could not approach within a hundred yards of the foot of the rock without being drenched through". Seventy-five years earlier Hurtley says, "From the Apex of the Cove, after what is in this part of the country called a Rugg, or a succession of rainy and tempestuous weather, when the Water-sink at the Southern extremity of the Tarn is unable to receive the overflux of the lake, there falls a large and heavy torrent, making a more grand and magnificent Cascade than imagination can form an idea of"."
References:
Howson, W. 1850. Illustrated Guide to the District of Craven (Malham pp. 34-47).
Hurtley, T. 1786. A Concise Account of some Natural Curiosities in the Environs of Malham, in Craven, Yorkshire. 276 pp. Oxford University.
Regards,
Ian Metcalfe
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In reply to Red Rover:
A simplified map of Malham Cove's hydrology....
http://cavemaps.org/surveys/yss/full/YSS%203%20Malham%20Area%20Hydrology.pn...
So the water from the Tarn usually ends up at at Aire Head Springs, but in FLOOD it appears that some water does back up and reach the cove.
Try reading chapter 9 of Waltham/Lowe's Caves & Karst of the Yorkshire Dales, BCRA 2013
(a lovely book, really)
A simplified map of Malham Cove's hydrology....
http://cavemaps.org/surveys/yss/full/YSS%203%20Malham%20Area%20Hydrology.pn...
So the water from the Tarn usually ends up at at Aire Head Springs, but in FLOOD it appears that some water does back up and reach the cove.
Try reading chapter 9 of Waltham/Lowe's Caves & Karst of the Yorkshire Dales, BCRA 2013
(a lovely book, really)
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In reply to HardenClimber:
That's a point.
Was the lovely Janet's(or Jenet's to some) foss even better after the deluge?
As an early teenager I spent several weeks in the area orienteering and walking in both good and bad weather. Some time was spent messing around at the foss.
That's a point.
Was the lovely Janet's(or Jenet's to some) foss even better after the deluge?
As an early teenager I spent several weeks in the area orienteering and walking in both good and bad weather. Some time was spent messing around at the foss.
In reply to HardenClimber:
Thank you for that.
It would be good to see those books,but I suspect that they are hard to see in the original.
Thank you for that.
It would be good to see those books,but I suspect that they are hard to see in the original.
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