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I need a phrase translated from English; 'Land of the old'

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Roger

In reply to rogerwebb:




Nairn?

In reply to rogerwebb:
Been years since I used my Irish, but at a guess Tir ná Sean


*15 years since GCSE irish, so happy to bee corrected

In reply to DaveHK:

Good idea not very snappy though.

In reply to Nordie_matt:

Thanks, unless someone disagrees with we will go with that.

In reply to rogerwebb:

Naming a route, by any chance? Was it a good one?

In reply to skog:

Yes it was great, we switched to knoydart from fisherfield as there was a higher snowline. Ended up climbing next to tir na og, the land of the young, by the time we got back to the car I was definitely in the land of the old.
Leaving aside the climbing it was a total hill experience with the sun rise lighting up Beinn Sgritheall through layers of cloud.
Despite having to go to work after 2 hours sleep I have had a grin stuck on my face all day.
It's a big little country in all ways.

In reply to rogerwebb:

Brilliant!

In reply to rogerwebb:
Nice one Roger. Can I ask - without provoking anything - how people know if a route is a FA if there was a policy of not recording them in the NW some years ago, and when did that situation change? I've no axe to grind, merely interested, it's not a subject I'm familiar with.
It sounds like you had a good day, the Big Country indeed : -)

In reply to drmarten:

The moratorium was a long time ago now and many of the unclaimed routes have been attributed. Also, the scene was always pretty small so I imagine word got round.

In reply to drmarten:


The idea of not recording routes in the NW (the moratorium) only lasted a couple of years and many were later recorded. It was decided to be a bad idea. So there's always a small chance that routes have been done before, but actually the risk that someone modern has done them and not recorded them is more likely but still small. We all operate on the system that not recorded is not done. There is no choice if we want the fun and guidebooks to exist. But in Knoydart, the chance of the route having been done is is close to nil.

In reply to rogerwebb:

Hey Roger

Just checked with mum (Gaelic teacher), she said:

Tír na h-aoise

In reply to Andy Nisbet/Dave Kerr :

Thanks for the replies, out of interest what years are we talking about here?

In reply to gavmac:


The mythical sunken Land of Age. There you go Roger. A legend.

In reply to drmarten:

The answer really is you don't know but can make an educated judgement depending upon location and style.
Mostly if something is so memorable as to cause someone to care they probably already spoken up.

In reply to gavmac:

Thanks that is very kind of you

In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks Jim that is a legend I shall look up, I love that kind stuff.

In reply to drmarten:


I can't remember now, early 70s, but only a year or two.

In reply to Nordie_matt:

Thank you for helping but you have been gazumped by a teacher so we shall go with her and the legend.
I am impressed that you can remember your gcse, I have a certificate that says I speak some german, not anymore.
Thanks again.

In reply to rogerwebb:

No sweat It's a much better name as well!

In reply to rogerwebb:

In Irish, Tir na nOg, is the land of the young. And a sean bhean is an old woman. So Tir ná Sean probably is literally the land of the old.

I don't know about Gaelic but Irish is a marvellously lyrical language. So the land of the old could be quite different from the land of age.

The problem's a bit like translating poetry. Often direct translation doesn't convey the feeling of the original. My gut feeling is that the land of age is what you're after rather than the land of the old, per se.

Caveat: No Gaelic, only Irish (similar - or not?), a silver fainne for proficiency, which I didn't deserve and that was, oh no! 50 years ago.

Probably best then to disregard the above as nonsense. It sounds like a great day out on the hill though and that's what really matters.

Mick

In reply to Mick Ward:

If i remember correctly there's a few provincial variations of Irish, with Ulster Irish (what I was taught) being close to Scot's Gaelic. Could be wrong though, relying on memories of old teachers etc.

On a side note, my favourite Irish proverb is:
Is minic a bhris beal duine a shrón


Matt

In reply to Mick Ward:

Thanks
I realise that my initial question was too specific, the opposite of tir na og was what I was really looking for.

I am glad I asked, the answers are very informative.
It was a standout day, only enhanced by being at work this morning thinking 'did that really happen'.

In reply to Nordie_matt:






Please translate that, I have to know!

In reply to rogerwebb:

It's often a persons mouth that breaks their nose

In reply to Nordie_matt:

Absolutely brilliant, love it.