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French climber Caroline Ciavaldini ticked the grovelly 'Groove' pitch of The Quarryman E8 7a on Friday, just a few days after husband James completed the full four-pitch historic route.

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In reply to UKC News:

Awesome, I think 'The Quarryman' and Twll Mawr are going to have a busy year

Further to the recent thread about British world class routes, surely 'The Quarryman' qualifies?

Out of interest does anyone know how many female ascents the groove pitch has had?

In reply to Sl@te Head:


In danger of becoming polished ?

In reply to UKC News:

Does anyone know how many ascents The Quarryman has had in the last 30 years?

In reply to GrahamD:

Polished slate is the same as normal slate isn't it?

In reply to UKC News:

Gotta be said, by is even worse than for. Rive Gauche by Yves Saint Laurent.

In reply to felt:


Why the word "climbs" can't just be inserted baffles me.


Is there a video?

In reply to Robert Durran:

As a matter of fact there is:
youtube.com/watch?v=0SZ4uxednqo&

In reply to Robert Durran:

I often think 'climbs' sounds a bit odd and unnecessary, of course they climbed it. Unless they 'walked' up it. I do occasionally include the style - onsight, flash, redpoint occasionally - if it's deemed significant.

I agree I got the same meaning from using 'by', as though it was a fragrance or something they had written!

Maybe a poll vote will settle this. Like for 'by' and Dislike for 'for' !?

In reply to Natalie Berry - UKC:


"By" does seem to indicate some sort of "authorship" to me, perhaps implying a first ascent.

How about "to" as in "goes down to"?

In reply to Robert Durran:



Or more accurately...

...Third pitch of thirty year old route, receives yet another ascent?

In reply to felt:

Dammit. Hook, line and sinker.

In reply to felt:

Oh God! What are you tedious pedant punters wittering on about now?

In reply to Helen Bach:


It is a matter of what preposition should be inserted between X and Y (X "preposition" Y) to most appropriately convey the meaning that Climber Y climbed Route X. Apparently verbs, either active or passive, are not deemed suitable. I hope that clarifies things for you.

In reply to Robert Durran:

I am surprised nobody proposed the use of "Caroline Ciavaldini sc. the Quarryman"

sc. stands for "scandit" in latin (perfect form of scando). Obviously.

Advantages:
- meaning is obvious to pedants
- can be used both ways "Caroline Ciavaldini sc. the Quarryman" or "the Quarryman sc. Caroline Ciavaldini"

Vote: like if you want use of sc., dislike if you support Hitler

In reply to Robert Durran:

"X and Y" should be the standard title, especially where both X and Y have a history (as here). "The Quarryman and Ciavaldini" has a particularly nice ring to it, too. Subtext "I couldn't have done this without you X".

"X for Y" should be used only in the unlikely event that there is reason to imply ownership, or if it is necessary to lionize the all-conquering rock god Y for advertising purposes. Subtext "F*ck you X, you loser."

"X by Y" only when X is a new route. Subtext "I offer X to the adoring world."

I think that covers it for prepositions, though verbs also seem a reasonable option to me.

now that is funny!!

In reply to Robert Durran:


Followed by '...the woods today.'


How about: 'The Quarryman - Caroline Ciavaldini'.

Well done to her incidentally!

In reply to UKC News:

I don't care as long as we don't start saying 'send'.

In reply to Removed User:


Not allowed - last time I checked "send" was a verb.

Martin

In reply to Martin Hore:

I'm afraid you can't have checked carefully enough, Martin - in certain circles it's definitely become a noun.

jcm

How about: ' Caroline Ciavaldini on The Quarryman'.

nicely ambiguous

In reply to lithos:

Yes, that works well for an interview piece.

In reply to Michael Gordon:

It doesn't convey that she actually climbed it though. Just that she's involved in the interview and the topic is that line.

In reply to Removed User:

yes, you soon find out though

In reply to johncoxmysteriously:

Always used as a verb, however much you may dislike it.

In reply to ianstevens:

Send it.
That's a send.

In reply to UKC News:

What about 'gets' or 'does'?

In reply to UKC News:

Caroline Ciavaldini free climbs The Quarryman Groove but uses helmet...

In reply to jon:

Send it - still works as a verb. As in post it, write it, walk it etc.
I stand corrected on the second one.

In reply to ianstevens:

I stand corrected - that's the answer to a clue in today's Times crossword.

In reply to John2:

Caroline Ciavaldini solves crossword.

In reply to jon:

Yet more sendage of the Quarryman Groove for Ciavaldini.

In reply to jon:

Ciavaldini boards the Quarryman Groove send train.

In reply to UKC News:

I'm more concerned about the grade than the grammar. Isn't backing and footing up a chimney traditional v.diff?

Ciavaldini vs Quarryman ..... BOOM !

In reply to lithos:

Clavaldini Is the Quaryman VII

In reply to UKC News:

Ciavaldini is the Quarrywoman

In reply to Robert Durran:


Yes.