In reply to captain paranoia:
> Under US law, maybe not murder. Most other places, yes, you'd probably get a conviction for murder. So, yes, we do judge it from a UK perspective. Or at least I do, because I'm in the UK.
Well you don't know for sure on that either.
Some shoot people dead and don't get murder, they'd just face a higher charge than in the US under stand your . Zimmerman had been punched so it's very possible it would have been a lesser charge. Do you actually know anything about the case? To clearly decide it was murder.
Also this WAS in the US, you can say "well if it was in England ", well a) he probably wouldn't be armed, b) he wouldn't be holding a gun knowing he can legally kill someone under Stand your ground law and c) it's almost certain there would be no risk TM was armed in the UK. You are ingeniously replaying history under different laws and environments and judging it.
As is often said by you and many others, we weren't in the court, we don't know the full facts. The extent of the scuffle and who actually initiated it isn't known. We know GZ was armed, had already decided TM was up to no good and was following him, about to approach Him.
The rest is pretty unknown.
Remember the shooting by the police officer in St Louis? An eye witness saw him shoot the guy in the back, only after a long investigation was it shown the eye witness had lied and the gun had been fired during a struggle in the car.
What's reported in the popular press isn't always the correct version.
With GZ nobody really knows. I think he probably did, but I don't know for sure. Only GZ and TM know what exactly happened and only GZ is around to tell the story.
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