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Hope for the remainers?

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Big Ger 24 Jun 2016

> The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.

> This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.

> In 1975, when the last vote on whether to stay in the EU (then the European economic community) was held, the rightwing Conservative MP Enoch Powell, unhappy about what he considered a loss of national sovereignty, argued that the result was merely provisional as it could not be legally binding on parliament.

Cameron could bottle it and see how much MPs want to hold onto their seats

Trangia 24 Jun 2016

In reply to Big Ger:

He could, but how much damage would that do to our international credibility?

KevinD 24 Jun 2016

In reply to Big Ger:

> Cameron could bottle it and see how much MPs want to hold onto their seats

Cant see that happening. Lot of remainers would be opposed to it on principle.

Oldsign 24 Jun 2016

In reply to Trangia:

It could be argued that we don't have much of that at the moment anyway.

Rick Dunning 24 Jun 2016

In reply to Big Ger:
The Government could implement a rule that if the Remain or Leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75%, there should be another referendum. There is a petition at https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215 that has over 300,000 signatures already.

springfall2008 24 Jun 2016

In reply to Big Ger:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/136376/sponsors/6e4yzPob7LXctgyjxm...

jkarran 24 Jun 2016

In reply to Rick Dunning:

> The Government could implement a rule that if the Remain or Leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75%, there should be another referendum. There is a petition at https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215 that has over 300,000 signatures already.

All of this is pointless, there is no hope. Were it to have been done (and it might have been prudent if politically toxic) needed doing months ago, not after the fact when the principal remain cheerleader and head of government has already fallen on his sword. We've made our choice and as appalled as I am by it now we're absolutely going to have to accept it and live with it (or perhaps emigrate while we can).

The only way I can see that this could with any shred of credibility possibly be overturned is if say for example the supreme court were to rule there had been significant and material fraud on the part of the official leave campaign. Just about concievble maybe given the porkies they've been telling but very unlikely and frankly, do we really want to be in hiatus for the year or three that might take to decide just to be back in the same boat again raking over the coals and stoking up the same if not by then grossly amplified anti authority rage. We'd probably be better accepting the harm we've done and getting on with rebuilding

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Gordon Stainforth 24 Jun 2016

In reply to jkarran:

Yes, the damage is done now, and it's irreversible. About the best we can hope for is a very slow grovelling back to international credibility, over many years, eventually getting back to as good relations as we had before. But really I think there's a real risk that we'll just become relatively sidelined, and far less important than we were yesterday. I can't see that the people in 'the European project' that we've hurt so badly are going to want to waste months and years negotiating the various new trade deals with us. I'm sure a lot of them regard us as quite poisonous friends now.

tom_in_edinburgh 25 Jun 2016

In reply to Big Ger:

> Cameron could bottle it and see how much MPs want to hold onto their seats

Cameron's idea could be to spin it out for a few months without sending the letter so everybody has plenty of time to see how bad things could get and Boris and Farage get less popular.

A general election in the autumn after the mood has changed and there's a chance of a government that legitimately doesn't need to feel bound by the referendum because it has a newer mandate.

nutme 25 Jun 2016

It's childish to swing the fists after the battle is over.
Time to pack and leave.

kipper12 25 Jun 2016

In reply to nutme:

It's not really over. If you look at article 50. There is a provision for any leavers to rejoin, provided the abide by Article 49. Article,49 basically is like a marriage vow. The tricky bit would be getting the other MS to,take a quitter back. However, in principle, there is a way back.