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Hold the Olympics in a half empty stadium and then boo someone getting a silver medal. Tossers.
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
Far worse was the booing during the pole-vaulting final. The additional pressure on Renaud Lavillenie probably cost him the Olympic title. That said Thiago Braz da Silva did win with a superb jump.
Far worse was the booing during the pole-vaulting final. The additional pressure on Renaud Lavillenie probably cost him the Olympic title. That said Thiago Braz da Silva did win with a superb jump.
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In reply to Pyreneenemec:
Either way I felt terrible for the French guy. It was a shameful spectacle.
Either way I felt terrible for the French guy. It was a shameful spectacle.
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
Give them a break, it's hardly their highest priority. Do you suggest waiting until they've sorted their country out to our standards, if ever? Or should we be happy that they gave it a go and people that may only hear about in passing have it right on their doorstep? Getting these large events out around the world is good for everybody.
Give them a break, it's hardly their highest priority. Do you suggest waiting until they've sorted their country out to our standards, if ever? Or should we be happy that they gave it a go and people that may only hear about in passing have it right on their doorstep? Getting these large events out around the world is good for everybody.
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In reply to jonnie3430:
Except for Lavillenie who's had one of the biggest days of his life ruined by the Brazilian fans EVEN AFTER THEIR GUY WON! I think it took a bit of the shine of it for him to be honest.
Except for Lavillenie who's had one of the biggest days of his life ruined by the Brazilian fans EVEN AFTER THEIR GUY WON! I think it took a bit of the shine of it for him to be honest.
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
Ever listened to the French crowd at Roland Garos or booing the opposition kicker at Stade de France? What goes around comes around.
It seems to be a peculiarly Anglo Saxon concept that booing is is poor form.
> Except for Lavillenie who's had one of the biggest days of his life ruined by the Brazilian fans EVEN AFTER THEIR GUY WON! I think it took a bit of the shine of it for him to be honest.
Ever listened to the French crowd at Roland Garos or booing the opposition kicker at Stade de France? What goes around comes around.
It seems to be a peculiarly Anglo Saxon concept that booing is is poor form.
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In reply to Postmanpat:
I assume there are cultural things going on but how do interpret booing someone who has already been beaten by your man other than disrespectful and unsporting? Hardly in the spirit of sport or the games.
> It seems to be a peculiarly Anglo Saxon concept that booing is is poor form.
I assume there are cultural things going on but how do interpret booing someone who has already been beaten by your man other than disrespectful and unsporting? Hardly in the spirit of sport or the games.
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
That's your standards, it's obviously different there. Do you want to give the Brazilians a lesson in "how the global west support athletics in a stadium," before they can watch? The ioc and Brazilians are trying that, but this kind of stuff is acceptable in football so, from their thinking, why not in other stadium events?
I'm sorry for the Frenchman, he was consoled by everyone there, bar the crowd which will be the memory he takes away, along with that silver disc that means so much.
That's your standards, it's obviously different there. Do you want to give the Brazilians a lesson in "how the global west support athletics in a stadium," before they can watch? The ioc and Brazilians are trying that, but this kind of stuff is acceptable in football so, from their thinking, why not in other stadium events?
I'm sorry for the Frenchman, he was consoled by everyone there, bar the crowd which will be the memory he takes away, along with that silver disc that means so much.
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In reply to MG:
You are looking at this through a specific cultural prism. According to the bloke on the radio (!) the Brazilians (and many others) see booing the opposition as no different to cheering the your own team so booing the loser is no different to applauding the winner.
We are no longer allowed to impose our higher standards on Jonny Foreigner
> I assume there are cultural things going on but how do interpret booing someone who has already been beaten by your man other than disrespectful and unsporting? Hardly in the spirit of sport or the games.
You are looking at this through a specific cultural prism. According to the bloke on the radio (!) the Brazilians (and many others) see booing the opposition as no different to cheering the your own team so booing the loser is no different to applauding the winner.
We are no longer allowed to impose our higher standards on Jonny Foreigner
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
Utterly disrespectful during the competition, and f*cking disgraceful during the medal ceremony. Each and every one of the cretins who booed should be ashamed of themselves. Perhaps the Brazilian spectators, authorities and press need to research the meaning of "the Olympic spirit" and the Corinthian spirit - or even simply "sportsmanship".
Utter and complete wankers.
JW
Utterly disrespectful during the competition, and f*cking disgraceful during the medal ceremony. Each and every one of the cretins who booed should be ashamed of themselves. Perhaps the Brazilian spectators, authorities and press need to research the meaning of "the Olympic spirit" and the Corinthian spirit - or even simply "sportsmanship".
Utter and complete wankers.
JW
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In reply to Postmanpat:
Well I still don't see what it conveys other than "your're crap, ha, ha, ha!". Now, where did I put my pith helmet?
> You are looking at this through a specific cultural prism. According to the bloke on the radio (!) the Brazilians (and many others) see booing the opposition as no different to cheering the your own team so booing the loser is no different to applauding the winner.
Well I still don't see what it conveys other than "your're crap, ha, ha, ha!". Now, where did I put my pith helmet?
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In reply to jonnie3430:
Generally getting these events out around the world is only good for the select few, IOC officials, corporate sponsors... They are the real Olympic winners. Once over, will average Pedro feel the net benefit of the billions poured into the games by their government? We can get a feel good factor as our athletes bag gold medals in the country where people can barely afford to eat, or drink clean water... A success, in whose eyes?
Generally getting these events out around the world is only good for the select few, IOC officials, corporate sponsors... They are the real Olympic winners. Once over, will average Pedro feel the net benefit of the billions poured into the games by their government? We can get a feel good factor as our athletes bag gold medals in the country where people can barely afford to eat, or drink clean water... A success, in whose eyes?
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In reply to summo:
Half the people can afford all of that easily. It makes them feel included in the world, that Brazil and other south American countries are players on the global scene and not somewhere that people on holiday for a bit of an adventure. That they are not looked down on for having a country that couldn't be considered to host the Olympics.
> We can get a feel good factor as our athletes bag gold medals in the country where people can barely afford to eat, or drink clean water... A success, in whose eyes?
Half the people can afford all of that easily. It makes them feel included in the world, that Brazil and other south American countries are players on the global scene and not somewhere that people on holiday for a bit of an adventure. That they are not looked down on for having a country that couldn't be considered to host the Olympics.
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In reply to jonnie3430:
Instead looked down on as unsporting and hosting an Olympics where athletes are robbed, bullets land in the commentary box, swimming pools turn green and stadiums are empty!
> That they are not looked down on for having a country that couldn't be considered to host the Olympics.
Instead looked down on as unsporting and hosting an Olympics where athletes are robbed, bullets land in the commentary box, swimming pools turn green and stadiums are empty!
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
In terms of the medal ceremony, he had come out and publicly compared the crowd to Nazi Germany which is hardly going to endear him to them. He may have retracted it afterwards but it was still a pretty outrageous comparison.
In terms of the medal ceremony, he had come out and publicly compared the crowd to Nazi Germany which is hardly going to endear him to them. He may have retracted it afterwards but it was still a pretty outrageous comparison.
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
Presume it was Gaitlin being booed getting his silver medal - oh well....
Booing a competitor during an event, simply because he's a rival, is very poor. There was some bad behaviour towards the end of the Murray/JMdP final, but it's seems security were able to find the miscreants and eject them.
On the other hand did anyone see Thiam, who won the heptathlon, joining in the clapping for KJT during her high-jump run-up ? That's the right spirit.
Presume it was Gaitlin being booed getting his silver medal - oh well....
Booing a competitor during an event, simply because he's a rival, is very poor. There was some bad behaviour towards the end of the Murray/JMdP final, but it's seems security were able to find the miscreants and eject them.
On the other hand did anyone see Thiam, who won the heptathlon, joining in the clapping for KJT during her high-jump run-up ? That's the right spirit.
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In reply to jonnie3430:
Sensible countries like Norway have turned down bidding for the Olympics as they consider it an extravagant waste and not good use of taxpayers money.
Sensible countries like Norway have turned down bidding for the Olympics as they consider it an extravagant waste and not good use of taxpayers money.
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In reply to Chris the Tall:
I'm quite bemused by the inability of people to understand that our view of booing is culturally specific and not shared globally. Think of it this way: supposing the "norm" in China was to watch a sporting contest in respectful silence until politely clapping at the end, and that the Chinese regarded loud cheering and shouting as creating an unfair advantage and being an intervention into the purity of the sporting contest. How would you feel if they imposed that view on the London olympics?
> Booing a competitor during an event, simply because he's a rival, is very poor.
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I'm quite bemused by the inability of people to understand that our view of booing is culturally specific and not shared globally. Think of it this way: supposing the "norm" in China was to watch a sporting contest in respectful silence until politely clapping at the end, and that the Chinese regarded loud cheering and shouting as creating an unfair advantage and being an intervention into the purity of the sporting contest. How would you feel if they imposed that view on the London olympics?
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In reply to MG:
Do you? I don't and think it was great that they hosted it! 😃
> Instead looked down on as unsporting and hosting an Olympics where athletes are robbed, bullets land in the commentary box, swimming pools turn green and stadiums are empty!
Do you? I don't and think it was great that they hosted it! 😃
In reply to Postmanpat:
I don;t think it's an inability to understand different norms and that there are various ways of showing support. The point is booing is clearly denigrating and belittling the target, its an entirely negative thing which goes against the whole ethos of the Olympics
I don;t think it's an inability to understand different norms and that there are various ways of showing support. The point is booing is clearly denigrating and belittling the target, its an entirely negative thing which goes against the whole ethos of the Olympics
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In reply to summo:
It suggests that the ioc needs to rethink the plan.
"The day before, VG had a story based on documents it obtained that outlined the perks the IOC expected from Oslo. The newspaper said they included:
*A meeting and cocktail party with King Harald before and after the opening ceremony, with the royal family or Norwegian Olympic committee picking up the tab.
(Only the IOC would be so presumptuous as to demand an invitation from a king.)
*A full bar for IOC pooh-bahs at the stadium during the opening and closing ceremonies.
*IOC members must be greeted with a smile upon arriving at their hotels.
*Hotels for IOC members must be pre-cleaned “particularly well,” and hotel management should be prepared to correct the slightest problem posthaste.
*All meeting rooms must be kept at 68 degrees.
*The usual car and driver at the beck and call of IOC members." From Chicago tribune.
> Sensible countries like Norway have turned down bidding for the Olympics as they consider it an extravagant waste and not good use of taxpayers money.
It suggests that the ioc needs to rethink the plan.
"The day before, VG had a story based on documents it obtained that outlined the perks the IOC expected from Oslo. The newspaper said they included:
*A meeting and cocktail party with King Harald before and after the opening ceremony, with the royal family or Norwegian Olympic committee picking up the tab.
(Only the IOC would be so presumptuous as to demand an invitation from a king.)
*A full bar for IOC pooh-bahs at the stadium during the opening and closing ceremonies.
*IOC members must be greeted with a smile upon arriving at their hotels.
*Hotels for IOC members must be pre-cleaned “particularly well,” and hotel management should be prepared to correct the slightest problem posthaste.
*All meeting rooms must be kept at 68 degrees.
*The usual car and driver at the beck and call of IOC members." From Chicago tribune.
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In reply to MG:
But that's just our view. They see it as "teasing" apparently, and an entirely legitimate form of support for your own favourite. Somebody else could quite reasonably think that loud cheering creates an unfair advantage for one side and is therefore not very "olympian".
Surely the point of the olympics is to bring peoples together which implies understanding and acceptance of cultural differences?
> I don;t think it's an inability to understand different norms and that there are various ways of showing support. The point is booing is clearly denigrating and belittling the target, its an entirely negative thing which goes against the whole ethos of the Olympics
But that's just our view. They see it as "teasing" apparently, and an entirely legitimate form of support for your own favourite. Somebody else could quite reasonably think that loud cheering creates an unfair advantage for one side and is therefore not very "olympian".
Surely the point of the olympics is to bring peoples together which implies understanding and acceptance of cultural differences?
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In reply to jonnie3430:
Well, and FIFA (who would no doubt also demand a copious supply of willing young females (or males) etc
> (Only the IOC would be so presumptuous as to demand an invitation from a king.)
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Well, and FIFA (who would no doubt also demand a copious supply of willing young females (or males) etc
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In reply to Postmanpat:
Didn't realise that it was the French guy who was being booed on the podium
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/37104031
The comments of the Brazilians don't back up your claims that this is culturally specific - they are embarrassed and apologetic.
Didn't realise that it was the French guy who was being booed on the podium
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/37104031
The comments of the Brazilians don't back up your claims that this is culturally specific - they are embarrassed and apologetic.
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In reply to Chris the Tall:
Not really, it just shows that those at the top of Brazilain sport are aware of the way that others will view their fans' behaviour, not that the fans agree, undertand or or care. It's really just an indication of the power of Anglo Saxon cultural imperialism
> The comments of the Brazilians don't back up your claims that this is culturally specific - they are embarrassed and apologetic.
>Not really, it just shows that those at the top of Brazilain sport are aware of the way that others will view their fans' behaviour, not that the fans agree, undertand or or care. It's really just an indication of the power of Anglo Saxon cultural imperialism
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In reply to Postmanpat:
You mean Gallic cultural imperialism ? You do realise that you just insulted an entire nation by suggesting the French are Anglo Saxons ? De Coubertin will be turning in his grave
You mean Gallic cultural imperialism ? You do realise that you just insulted an entire nation by suggesting the French are Anglo Saxons ? De Coubertin will be turning in his grave
In reply to Yanis Nayu:
and yet sledging in cricket/ rugby is seen as part of the jolly rough and tumble of the game.
and yet sledging in cricket/ rugby is seen as part of the jolly rough and tumble of the game.
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In reply to toad:
But the crowd aren't the ones doing the sledging. Cricket crowds always applaud good play, I have even applauded the Aussies!
But the crowd aren't the ones doing the sledging. Cricket crowds always applaud good play, I have even applauded the Aussies!
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In reply to jonnie3430:
Despite Lillehammer being up to grade previously, the current IOC wanted a new traffic lane building just for them between Oslo and the events too... Rotten to the core, just like Fifa.
Despite Lillehammer being up to grade previously, the current IOC wanted a new traffic lane building just for them between Oslo and the events too... Rotten to the core, just like Fifa.
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In reply to XXXX:
Yes and them an Sweden dropped out of the bidding for future winter games due to unreasonably expensive IOC demands. The venues are fine, already hosting many world cups etc.. it was the roads, free 5* hotels and royal cocktail parties etc.. funded by taxpayers and ticket sales.
Yes and them an Sweden dropped out of the bidding for future winter games due to unreasonably expensive IOC demands. The venues are fine, already hosting many world cups etc.. it was the roads, free 5* hotels and royal cocktail parties etc.. funded by taxpayers and ticket sales.
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In reply to Chris the Tall:
No, the French are just hypocrites in complaining about what they do themselves. De Coubertin was obviously the exception that proves the rule
> You mean Gallic cultural imperialism ? You do realise that you just insulted an entire nation by suggesting the French are Anglo Saxons ? De Coubertin will be turning in his grave
No, the French are just hypocrites in complaining about what they do themselves. De Coubertin was obviously the exception that proves the rule
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In reply to Graeme Alderson:
Cricket crowds, at least a part of them, specialise in dull witted repetitive drunken chanting,
which apparently passes as humourous antics.
> But the crowd aren't the ones doing the sledging. Cricket crowds always applaud good play, I have even applauded the Aussies!
Cricket crowds, at least a part of them, specialise in dull witted repetitive drunken chanting,
which apparently passes as humourous antics.
In reply to jonnie3430:
Good for who? Are Russian citizens better for the $60,000,000,000 spent on the now sochi ghost town?
Good for who? Are Russian citizens better for the $60,000,000,000 spent on the now sochi ghost town?
In reply to summo:
It is Special for those in Sochi, living in a ghost town
> Good for who? Are Russian citizens better for the $60,000,000,000 spent on the now sochi ghost town?
It is Special for those in Sochi, living in a ghost town
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In reply to Pids:
It doesn't sound like there's much to do there. Apparently bands don't play anymore because of too much fighting on the dancefloor.
It doesn't sound like there's much to do there. Apparently bands don't play anymore because of too much fighting on the dancefloor.
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In reply to summo:
A good example of the ioc needing to change. Everything Russians touch seems dirty, including some decisions at these Olympics. They should not have won it.
A good example of the ioc needing to change. Everything Russians touch seems dirty, including some decisions at these Olympics. They should not have won it.
In reply to jonnie3430:
This Irish boxer took his dodgy defeat well (warning - colourful language !)
https://twitter.com/Healycycles/status/765563615051218944
Meanwhile the head of the Irish association has just been arrested for selling tickets. Surely the Brazilians should be giving him a job !
> Everything Russians touch seems dirty, including some decisions at these Olympics.
This Irish boxer took his dodgy defeat well (warning - colourful language !)
https://twitter.com/Healycycles/status/765563615051218944
Meanwhile the head of the Irish association has just been arrested for selling tickets. Surely the Brazilians should be giving him a job !
In reply to Chris the Tall:
It's quality, the head of European IOC selling tickets on for personal profit.... another olympic champion, fencing perhaps ?
It's quality, the head of European IOC selling tickets on for personal profit.... another olympic champion, fencing perhaps ?
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In reply to jonnie3430:
Bit unfair on the Russians I think. IOC are more likely to have given them lessons in how to do it.
> A good example of the ioc needing to change. Everything Russians touch seems dirty
Bit unfair on the Russians I think. IOC are more likely to have given them lessons in how to do it.
In reply to Postmanpat:
Booing drug cheats and George Osborne is fine, booing one of the finest athletes in the world, who has been perfectly gracious despite losing out on Gold to a fantastic performance from the home favourite in front of heavily partisan crowd, is definitely poor form. The fact that some French tennis fans are dicks is irrelevant.
> It seems to be a peculiarly Anglo Saxon concept that booing is is poor form.
Booing drug cheats and George Osborne is fine, booing one of the finest athletes in the world, who has been perfectly gracious despite losing out on Gold to a fantastic performance from the home favourite in front of heavily partisan crowd, is definitely poor form. The fact that some French tennis fans are dicks is irrelevant.
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In reply to Chris the Tall:
It's an odd story, how do you tout tickets for events that it appears nobody wants to go to?
> Meanwhile the head of the Irish association has just been arrested for selling tickets. Surely the Brazilians should be giving him a job !
It's an odd story, how do you tout tickets for events that it appears nobody wants to go to?
In reply to The New NickB:
Perfectly gracious apart from the bit where he likened them to Nazis you mean?
> Booing drug cheats and George Osborne is fine, booing one of the finest athletes in the world, who has been perfectly gracious despite losing out on Gold to a fantastic performance from the home favourite in front of heavily partisan crowd, is definitely poor form. The fact that some French tennis fans are dicks is irrelevant.
Perfectly gracious apart from the bit where he likened them to Nazis you mean?
In reply to KevinD:
Not after Ukraine and Crimea, plus they must have encouraged and still encourage many ioc in the run up to Sochi and this games.
Not after Ukraine and Crimea, plus they must have encouraged and still encourage many ioc in the run up to Sochi and this games.
In reply to Lemony:
Note quite, he likened his treatment to that of Jesse Owens by the nazis, which, despite the fact he has withdrawn the comments, doesn't seem so far off to me.
Would those on here defending his treatment also defend Owens', since its a cultural thing, apparently?
Note quite, he likened his treatment to that of Jesse Owens by the nazis, which, despite the fact he has withdrawn the comments, doesn't seem so far off to me.
Would those on here defending his treatment also defend Owens', since its a cultural thing, apparently?
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In reply to jonnie3430:
I am no fan of Russia but when it comes to corrupt sporting practices the IOC have done themselves proud.
> Not after Ukraine and Crimea, plus they must have encouraged and still encourage many ioc in the run up to Sochi and this games.
I am no fan of Russia but when it comes to corrupt sporting practices the IOC have done themselves proud.
In reply to Yanis Nayu:
Brazilians are loud no matter what they do.
When i was at Disney land last year, we were being show around be a member of staff (and friend) who said they are despised in the parks because of the levels of noise they create, everywhere, even on the most sedate rides.
At Universal a group of 4 were chucked off one of the rides behind us before it got going because they had started screaming before it had left the station. This is apparently common.
Might be cultural, doesn't mean you have to like it. When you're competing in the Olympics, you're participating by the IOC rules, whether you like it or not, and judging by the reaction of officials, booing is definitely not on.
Brazilians are loud no matter what they do.
When i was at Disney land last year, we were being show around be a member of staff (and friend) who said they are despised in the parks because of the levels of noise they create, everywhere, even on the most sedate rides.
At Universal a group of 4 were chucked off one of the rides behind us before it got going because they had started screaming before it had left the station. This is apparently common.
Might be cultural, doesn't mean you have to like it. When you're competing in the Olympics, you're participating by the IOC rules, whether you like it or not, and judging by the reaction of officials, booing is definitely not on.
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In reply to Lemony:
Of course he hadn't done that when they booed him getting his medal.
> Perfectly gracious apart from the bit where he likened them to Nazis you mean?
Of course he hadn't done that when they booed him getting his medal.
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In reply to La benya:
I've got to say that this isn't my experience of Brazilians, that said, I suspect the Brazilians I know wouldn't be visiting Disney or Universal.
I've got to say that this isn't my experience of Brazilians, that said, I suspect the Brazilians I know wouldn't be visiting Disney or Universal.
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In reply to The New NickB:
As I understand it he made the comments after the event on Monday night, the medal ceremony was the next evening and he was booed again. Have I missed something?
> Of course he hadn't done that when they booed him getting his medal.
As I understand it he made the comments after the event on Monday night, the medal ceremony was the next evening and he was booed again. Have I missed something?
In reply to La benya:
Because they tend to use their free time either climbing or visiting locations of more cultural interest. Nothing essentially wrong with theme parks, but judging a nation based on people who visit theme parks seems rather limited.
> why would they not be visiting?
Because they tend to use their free time either climbing or visiting locations of more cultural interest. Nothing essentially wrong with theme parks, but judging a nation based on people who visit theme parks seems rather limited.
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In reply to Lemony:
No, you are right. I have read a couple of other accounts where the chronology is clearer than in the first article I read.
No, you are right. I have read a couple of other accounts where the chronology is clearer than in the first article I read.
In reply to The New NickB:
Yeah, i thought it was a sly dig at people that go to theme parks.
I can also provide an anecdote about the Brazilian population of Bournemouth being particularly raucous, but I fear you will somehow equate me having lived there as being uncivilized also.
Yeah, i thought it was a sly dig at people that go to theme parks.
I can also provide an anecdote about the Brazilian population of Bournemouth being particularly raucous, but I fear you will somehow equate me having lived there as being uncivilized also.
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In reply to La benya:
It wasn't, so you didn't think.
What a strange comment.
> Yeah, i thought it was a sly dig at people that go to theme parks.
It wasn't, so you didn't think.
> I can also provide an anecdote about the Brazilian population of Bournemouth being particularly raucous, but I fear you will somehow equate me having lived there as being uncivilized also.
What a strange comment.
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In reply to Postmanpat:
don't get why Pat is being disliked for this. He's right. There's been a bbc article on it too, it's a cultural norm.
And I dont' know about china (was that a hypothetical?) but Japan is well known to watch bands in a much quieter manner than we do and it's well known in the music business to expect such. Exactly the same thing.
> I'm quite bemused by the inability of people to understand that our view of booing is culturally specific and not shared globally. Think of it this way: supposing the "norm" in China was to watch a sporting contest in respectful silence until politely clapping at the end, and that the Chinese regarded loud cheering and shouting as creating an unfair advantage and being an intervention into the purity of the sporting contest. How would you feel if they imposed that view on the London olympics?
don't get why Pat is being disliked for this. He's right. There's been a bbc article on it too, it's a cultural norm.
And I dont' know about china (was that a hypothetical?) but Japan is well known to watch bands in a much quieter manner than we do and it's well known in the music business to expect such. Exactly the same thing.
In reply to Scarab9:
If it's a cultural norm why his his Twitter feed full of Brazilians apologising?
If it's a cultural norm why his his Twitter feed full of Brazilians apologising?
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
Because some Brazilians are aware of the way such behaviour is viewed by others. This article is one of several explaining the background. It's apparently what they do at football and that is their main sport so they just transfer it to other sports.
http://qz.com/759119/why-brazilians-cant-help-booing-anything-and-everythin...
"The bad behavior in the bleachers is also a consequence of Brazilians’ relatively limited interaction with the rest of the world historically, said Ronaldo Lemos, director of the Institute for Technology and Society in Rio de Janeiro. “The issue here is that Brazil is basically a very closed and insular country,” he said. “Brazilians do not live on a day-to-day basis with international people.
Having not traveled very much, he added, Brazilians may believe that their own manners are “universal.” That is, this is how everyone behaves.
Columnist Marcos Sergio Silva wrote that the conduct of fans also reflects the tendency of Brazilians to turn every event into a morality play along the lines of a telenovela, or soap opera. “At bottom, we’re Manichean in the extreme and we always need to select villains,” he wrote "
> If it's a cultural norm why his his Twitter feed full of Brazilians apologising?
Because some Brazilians are aware of the way such behaviour is viewed by others. This article is one of several explaining the background. It's apparently what they do at football and that is their main sport so they just transfer it to other sports.
http://qz.com/759119/why-brazilians-cant-help-booing-anything-and-everythin...
"The bad behavior in the bleachers is also a consequence of Brazilians’ relatively limited interaction with the rest of the world historically, said Ronaldo Lemos, director of the Institute for Technology and Society in Rio de Janeiro. “The issue here is that Brazil is basically a very closed and insular country,” he said. “Brazilians do not live on a day-to-day basis with international people.
Having not traveled very much, he added, Brazilians may believe that their own manners are “universal.” That is, this is how everyone behaves.
Columnist Marcos Sergio Silva wrote that the conduct of fans also reflects the tendency of Brazilians to turn every event into a morality play along the lines of a telenovela, or soap opera. “At bottom, we’re Manichean in the extreme and we always need to select villains,” he wrote "
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In reply to Postmanpat:
Well someone needs to tell them the second placed pole vaulter isn't a villain!
Well someone needs to tell them the second placed pole vaulter isn't a villain!
In reply to MG:
Good show old chap! Have a quiet word with them.....
As this article suggests, there are lots of reasons Brazilians boo, but the underlying point is that they just consider it normal and acceptable practice whereas we consider it bad manners and only justified in specific circumstances.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37026844
> Well someone needs to tell them the second placed pole vaulter isn't a villain!
Good show old chap! Have a quiet word with them.....
As this article suggests, there are lots of reasons Brazilians boo, but the underlying point is that they just consider it normal and acceptable practice whereas we consider it bad manners and only justified in specific circumstances.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37026844
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In reply to Postmanpat:
For goodness sake, we all know you are a lefty, hand wringing, moral relativist but pull yourself together man! Next well have coloured tennis shirts!
For goodness sake, we all know you are a lefty, hand wringing, moral relativist but pull yourself together man! Next well have coloured tennis shirts!
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In reply to Postmanpat:
I do love it when newspaper columnists are presented as "experts". It sort of second rate Spectator cultural comment type stuff, dare I say it Correio diário even.
I do love it when newspaper columnists are presented as "experts". It sort of second rate Spectator cultural comment type stuff, dare I say it Correio diário even.
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In reply to The New NickB:
Well it's a hell of a lot more expert than punters on UKC. It's actually sourced from Brazilians
> I do love it when newspaper columnists are presented as "experts". It sort of second rate Spectator cultural comment type stuff, dare I say it Correio diário even.
Well it's a hell of a lot more expert than punters on UKC. It's actually sourced from Brazilians
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In reply to Postmanpat:
I think some things are understandable as cultural differences (Russians not smiling at strangers for example) and some things (being so f*cking horrible to someone as to make them cry in front of billions of people) come under the international definition of cnutish behaviour. It sickened me.
The lad that won the gold was class though, in all respects.
I think some things are understandable as cultural differences (Russians not smiling at strangers for example) and some things (being so f*cking horrible to someone as to make them cry in front of billions of people) come under the international definition of cnutish behaviour. It sickened me.
The lad that won the gold was class though, in all respects.
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In reply to jonnie3430:
I think the IOC is thoroughly modern; they've got this bludging lark down to a fine art. Some tips they could learn from FIFA, I'm sure, but they'd just be minor refinements.
> Olympics is a good thing though the ioc need to modernise...
I think the IOC is thoroughly modern; they've got this bludging lark down to a fine art. Some tips they could learn from FIFA, I'm sure, but they'd just be minor refinements.
In reply to The New NickB:
The more of your comments I read on here, the more you come across as an contrary, snide, backtracking idiot.
> It wasn't, so you didn't think.
At best your comment was unintentionally rude. At worst you intentionally tried to insult me. Just stick to you guns rather than denying it. > What a strange comment.
Why is it strange? You refuted my anecodotal evidence because Brazilians at theme parks are not the cultured sort you know (thinly veiled dig). I have more anecdotal evidence about a different set of Brazilians being similarly behaved elsewhere, but based on your previous it's likely that you'd equate the type of person at Bournemouth beach as too uncultured to be representative. The more of your comments I read on here, the more you come across as an contrary, snide, backtracking idiot.
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In reply to La benya:
Or you just didn't understand it. I simply presented alternative anecdotal evidence, from meeting Brazilians in Brazil and elsewhere.
You decided to be insulted, so rather than debating you presented a silly straw man attack.
You're entitled to your opinion. Spectacularly wrong, but there you go.
> At best your comment was unintentionally rude. At worst you intentionally tried to insult me. Just stick to you guns rather than denying it.
Or you just didn't understand it. I simply presented alternative anecdotal evidence, from meeting Brazilians in Brazil and elsewhere.
> Why is it strange? You refuted my anecodotal evidence because Brazilians at theme parks are not the cultured sort you know (thinly veiled dig). I have more anecdotal evidence about a different set of Brazilians being similarly behaved elsewhere, but based on your previous it's likely that you'd equate the type of person at Bournemouth beach as too uncultured to be representative.
You decided to be insulted, so rather than debating you presented a silly straw man attack.
> The more of your comments I read on here, the more you come across as an contrary, snide, backtracking idiot.
You're entitled to your opinion. Spectacularly wrong, but there you go.
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In reply to The New NickB:
How often do you use the straw man defence when claiming the high ground?
> You decided to be insulted, so rather than debating you presented a silly straw man attack
How often do you use the straw man defence when claiming the high ground?
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In reply to subtle:
It's not a defence and I'm not claiming high ground. So what point are you making?
> How often do you use the straw man defence when claiming the high ground?
It's not a defence and I'm not claiming high ground. So what point are you making?
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In reply to La benya:
I'm sorry, but you can't generalise about a entire nation of 200 million people based on extremely limited anecdotal evidence and then get all upset when someone does the same for 'people who go to theme parks'*.
* Although he didn't actually do this, he implied there are more cultured places than themeparks, but didn't actually say anything about people who go to themeparks.
> Why is it strange? You refuted my anecodotal evidence because Brazilians at theme parks are not the cultured sort you know (thinly veiled dig). I have more anecdotal evidence about a different set of Brazilians being similarly behaved elsewhere, but based on your previous it's likely that you'd equate the type of person at Bournemouth beach as too uncultured to be representative.
I'm sorry, but you can't generalise about a entire nation of 200 million people based on extremely limited anecdotal evidence and then get all upset when someone does the same for 'people who go to theme parks'*.
* Although he didn't actually do this, he implied there are more cultured places than themeparks, but didn't actually say anything about people who go to themeparks.
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In reply to FreshSlate:
Or in fact not generalising at all about people who go to theme park, but obviously badly making a point about it being a large diverse country and limited experience of a few Brazilians in a theme park in Florida, maybe not being the best way to judge the country.
Or in fact not generalising at all about people who go to theme park, but obviously badly making a point about it being a large diverse country and limited experience of a few Brazilians in a theme park in Florida, maybe not being the best way to judge the country.
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In reply to The New NickB:
Well I cheered when the Swedish ladies football team beat Brazil on penalties to reach the final, but then I was rather hoping for a mass shirt exchange.
Well I cheered when the Swedish ladies football team beat Brazil on penalties to reach the final, but then I was rather hoping for a mass shirt exchange.
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In reply to Chris the Tall:
Errm, if you're referring to the American swimming team, it sounds like they might have been telling porkies..
Errm, if you're referring to the American swimming team, it sounds like they might have been telling porkies..
In reply to Chris the Tall:
I don't know why you posted that. Why?
> I suppose it's also cultural imperialism to report robberies to the police
I don't know why you posted that. Why?
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In reply to lummox:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-37114383
Fair enough, there might be more to this than first appears. Nonetheless it's an odd lie to make up, and the fact that they were prevented from leaving the country is very strange.
> Errm, if you're referring to the American swimming team, it sounds like they might have been telling porkies..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-37114383
Fair enough, there might be more to this than first appears. Nonetheless it's an odd lie to make up, and the fact that they were prevented from leaving the country is very strange.
In reply to lummox:
Yep - you seem to be right http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-37115778
> Errm, if you're referring to the American swimming team, it sounds like they might have been telling porkies..
Yep - you seem to be right http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-37115778
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