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"Useless tools that kill debate"
Discuss please without resorting to the use of either.
Discuss please without resorting to the use of either.
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In reply to Trangia:
Again!? Yawn.
You're not going to get anywhere near the Lemming's record you know. My guess is 100 tops.
Again!? Yawn.
You're not going to get anywhere near the Lemming's record you know. My guess is 100 tops.
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In reply to Trangia:
I quite like them myself, an easy way to register your opinion. Though the regular whining when people's precious posts get a dislike is tedious.
I quite like them myself, an easy way to register your opinion. Though the regular whining when people's precious posts get a dislike is tedious.
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In reply to deepsoup:
I thought Trangia and the Lemming were the same person?
> Again!? Yawn.
> You're not going to get anywhere near the Lemming's record you know.
I thought Trangia and the Lemming were the same person?
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In reply to Trangia:
Its not so much they kill debate directly its more that they are often childish and/or stupid and/or lazy and/or pointless (what does a dislike mean with respect to a complex post). The negativity of dislikes can also lead to cyber bullying and we have certainly seen that here in mild respects. Lemming certainly picked up a few moronic dislike stalkers.
They clearly are felt to benefit UKC, given they are still here despite complaints, I guess as traffic is eveything in advertising: those using the features are loud and clear that they really do like them, so we retain lowest common denominator entertainment for the children.
Facebook looked at this in detail and dumped the idea and I hope UKC will one day be brave enough as well. Children's traffic can keeps away adults, so their could be benefits.
Karma on UKB works much better as its named and requires reasons and tit-for-tat is banned. It's crystal clear who added karma or smote and for what reasons, and that keeps users much better behaved. They also run polls with multiple options rather than using the simplicity of like/dislike polls.
Its not so much they kill debate directly its more that they are often childish and/or stupid and/or lazy and/or pointless (what does a dislike mean with respect to a complex post). The negativity of dislikes can also lead to cyber bullying and we have certainly seen that here in mild respects. Lemming certainly picked up a few moronic dislike stalkers.
They clearly are felt to benefit UKC, given they are still here despite complaints, I guess as traffic is eveything in advertising: those using the features are loud and clear that they really do like them, so we retain lowest common denominator entertainment for the children.
Facebook looked at this in detail and dumped the idea and I hope UKC will one day be brave enough as well. Children's traffic can keeps away adults, so their could be benefits.
Karma on UKB works much better as its named and requires reasons and tit-for-tat is banned. It's crystal clear who added karma or smote and for what reasons, and that keeps users much better behaved. They also run polls with multiple options rather than using the simplicity of like/dislike polls.
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In reply to Trangia:
I love getting dislikes. They make me feel alive and wanted for once and part of this world for once.
I love getting dislikes. They make me feel alive and wanted for once and part of this world for once.
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In reply to Oceanrower:
Past tense and a past participle of smite, a synonm of strike firmly... ie hit with negative karma.
Past tense and a past participle of smite, a synonm of strike firmly... ie hit with negative karma.
In reply to nastyned:
But, they don't register opinion, they just register a positive or negative response to a post without putting it into words.
This post will probably get some dislikes, but it won't be clear whether is because of the way I've put it, or because people don't agree, or because it's me - so it's not registering an opinion to click dislike, I think it's only registering an opinion to articulate it in writing, as far as not agreeing goes.
> I quite like them myself, an easy way to register your opinion. Though the regular whining when people's precious posts get a dislike is tedious.
But, they don't register opinion, they just register a positive or negative response to a post without putting it into words.
This post will probably get some dislikes, but it won't be clear whether is because of the way I've put it, or because people don't agree, or because it's me - so it's not registering an opinion to click dislike, I think it's only registering an opinion to articulate it in writing, as far as not agreeing goes.
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In reply to Trangia:
Well, you're a useless tool that kills debate! Ha! Turned that back at you! Eh? Eh?
Ha.
Got ya.
Ha. Bants.
> "Useless tools that kill debate"
> Discuss please without resorting to the use of either.
Well, you're a useless tool that kills debate! Ha! Turned that back at you! Eh? Eh?
Ha.
Got ya.
Ha. Bants.
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In reply to abseil:
Agreed, folk who get upset by dislikes should not be on the web and especially ukc, instead they'd be better off applying vitamin e cream to enrich and thicken their skin. Once you've got over that what's not to like about a few dislikes, shows your opinion is challenging someone else's?!?
> I love getting dislikes. They make me feel alive and wanted for once and part of this world for once.
Agreed, folk who get upset by dislikes should not be on the web and especially ukc, instead they'd be better off applying vitamin e cream to enrich and thicken their skin. Once you've got over that what's not to like about a few dislikes, shows your opinion is challenging someone else's?!?
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In reply to Trangia:
I got shot down in flames for bringing this up.
The like/dislike is the most devisive thing on this site and will never be removed.
We've been moaning for years about photo voting and that has not been resolved so there is no chance of removing this feature.
I got shot down in flames for bringing this up.
The like/dislike is the most devisive thing on this site and will never be removed.
We've been moaning for years about photo voting and that has not been resolved so there is no chance of removing this feature.
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In reply to The Lemming:
That's because it's the rules: Start a thread about how mean all the dislikers are and then everyone is then obliged to dislike your post...
> I got shot down in flames for bringing this up.
That's because it's the rules: Start a thread about how mean all the dislikers are and then everyone is then obliged to dislike your post...
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In reply to Baron Weasel:
Well I clicked on Like for your answer Baron but was too late to change my mind for the apostrophe in 'it's' and the unneccessary double-up of 'then'.
Then (again), I'm an aufer and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, falls over.
G'night. x
> That's because it's the rules: Start a thread about how mean all the dislikers are and then everyone is then obliged to dislike your post...
Well I clicked on Like for your answer Baron but was too late to change my mind for the apostrophe in 'it's' and the unneccessary double-up of 'then'.
Then (again), I'm an aufer and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, falls over.
G'night. x
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In reply to The Lemming:
Attitudes are divisive, the means by which they are expressed are not.
Who are the "we" that have been moaning about photo voting?
> I got shot down in flames for bringing this up.
> The like/dislike is the most devisive thing on this site and will never be removed.
Attitudes are divisive, the means by which they are expressed are not.
> We've been moaning for years about photo voting and that has not been resolved so there is no chance of removing this feature.
Who are the "we" that have been moaning about photo voting?
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In reply to The Lemming:
And loved every minute of it, you attention seeking little rodent you.
> I got shot down in flames for bringing this up.
And loved every minute of it, you attention seeking little rodent you.
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In reply to deepsoup:
Sorry to say, but I did not.
> And loved every minute of it, you attention seeking little rodent you.
Sorry to say, but I did not.
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They are much more useful tools when you can see who is giving them, then it is a tool to show agreement without having to waste time in writing a post about your agreement or not. Also keeps threads length down.
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In reply to AP Melbourne:
Pedantry on pedantry alert: the apostrophe in "it's" is correct - it's "...it is the rules...".
With you on the thens, mind.
> Well I clicked on Like for your answer Baron but was too late to change my mind for the apostrophe in 'it's' and the unneccessary double-up of 'then'.
> Then (again), I'm an aufer and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, falls over.
> G'night. x
Pedantry on pedantry alert: the apostrophe in "it's" is correct - it's "...it is the rules...".
With you on the thens, mind.
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In reply to andy:
Andy: That (apostrofee s) is why Adny Brooman's guidance was so invaluable to makking me little book such a resounding - nay, Prize-Losing success.
I blame him - and to reiterate; Am Not a bitter man ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Much prefer lager.
Pint please.
Cheers,
Andy, hic.
> Pedantry on pedantry alert: the apostrophe in "it's" is correct - it's "...it is the rules...".
> With you on the thens, mind.
Andy: That (apostrofee s) is why Adny Brooman's guidance was so invaluable to makking me little book such a resounding - nay, Prize-Losing success.
I blame him - and to reiterate; Am Not a bitter man ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Much prefer lager.
Pint please.
Cheers,
Andy, hic.
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In reply to Trangia:
They can be very useful. A good example being the 'Have The French Gone Mad ' thread. DominicanDave was waffling on, saying in paragraphs something that could be better said in a couple of sentences. Certainly not worth replying too at lengthso I gave him a 'dislike'.
They can be very useful. A good example being the 'Have The French Gone Mad ' thread. DominicanDave was waffling on, saying in paragraphs something that could be better said in a couple of sentences. Certainly not worth replying too at lengthso I gave him a 'dislike'.
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In reply to Dominicandave:
Hmmmm.............practice what you preach
> They are much more useful tools when you can see who is giving them, then it is a tool to show agreement without having to waste time in writing a post about your agreement or not. Also keeps threads length down.
Hmmmm.............practice what you preach
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In reply to Trangia:
I would have given you a dislike for a racist post some time ago but the forum didn't have that facility then. I imagine the mods took your post down.
I would have given you a dislike for a racist post some time ago but the forum didn't have that facility then. I imagine the mods took your post down.
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In reply to I like climbing:
That's not good, racist posts are bad. I don't believe I've ever made one intentionally, and I don't remember the post. it must have been several years ago if it was before the facility was introduced. I would rather that you took issue with me rather than use a dislike. I hope you did at the time?
That's not good, racist posts are bad. I don't believe I've ever made one intentionally, and I don't remember the post. it must have been several years ago if it was before the facility was introduced. I would rather that you took issue with me rather than use a dislike. I hope you did at the time?
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In reply to Trangia:
It was the Spanish / Gibraltar thread some years ago. By the time I went back to the post to reply it had been removed. I'm sure it was unintentional.
> That's not good, racist posts are bad. I don't believe I've ever made one intentionally, and I don't remember the post. it must have been several years ago if it was before the facility was introduced. I would rather that you took issue with me rather than use a dislike. I hope you did at the time?
It was the Spanish / Gibraltar thread some years ago. By the time I went back to the post to reply it had been removed. I'm sure it was unintentional.
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In reply to Pyreneenemec:
The dislike didn't express an opinion, though it just expressed disagreement or a dislike, so the dislikes only indicate that somebody somewhere doesn't agree with a post, or doesn't like it for a reason unexpressed.
What use is that? You can know this anyway, that people unseen won't agree with every post on the internet.
Edit after the first dislike: I rest my case.
They're a fat lot of good.
Now more people dislike it for reasons unexpressed, but I still don't know why - so how can dislikes register an opinion?
This is an object lesson in why they don't...
> They can be very useful. A good example being the 'Have The French Gone Mad ' thread. DominicanDave was waffling on, saying in paragraphs something that could be better said in a couple of sentences. Certainly not worth replying too at lengthso I gave him a 'dislike'.
The dislike didn't express an opinion, though it just expressed disagreement or a dislike, so the dislikes only indicate that somebody somewhere doesn't agree with a post, or doesn't like it for a reason unexpressed.
What use is that? You can know this anyway, that people unseen won't agree with every post on the internet.
Edit after the first dislike: I rest my case.
They're a fat lot of good.
Now more people dislike it for reasons unexpressed, but I still don't know why - so how can dislikes register an opinion?
This is an object lesson in why they don't...
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In reply to Timmd:
Oh Timmd, I have to give you a dislike for that because it IS the rules... And I normally like your posts!
Don't get upset though, life is just a ride and a ride to enjoy and you can take neither likes nor dislikes to the next life!
Peace out mofo
Oh Timmd, I have to give you a dislike for that because it IS the rules... And I normally like your posts!
Don't get upset though, life is just a ride and a ride to enjoy and you can take neither likes nor dislikes to the next life!
Peace out mofo
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In reply to Baron Weasel:
I'm not upset at all, I'm just out to prove it's true.
(Watch out for the dislikes heh...)
I'm not upset at all, I'm just out to prove it's true.
(Watch out for the dislikes heh...)
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In reply to Timmd:
I disliked it. Watching you claim they're useless because you don't know what they mean, in contrast to Offwidth disliking them because he claims he knows what they mean, is quite amusing. Oh, perhaps I should like it instead.
Alternatively, use the little code someone helpfully wrote and then you won't see them.
I disliked it. Watching you claim they're useless because you don't know what they mean, in contrast to Offwidth disliking them because he claims he knows what they mean, is quite amusing. Oh, perhaps I should like it instead.
Alternatively, use the little code someone helpfully wrote and then you won't see them.
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In reply to Sir Chasm:
Aha, that only proves my point perhaps - that their ambiguity means they are unclear in meaning?
I'm not that fussed.
> I disliked it. Watching you claim they're useless because you don't know what they mean, in contrast to Offwidth disliking them because he claims he knows what they mean, is quite amusing. Oh, perhaps I should like it instead.
Aha, that only proves my point perhaps - that their ambiguity means they are unclear in meaning?
> Alternatively, use the little code someone helpfully wrote and then you won't see them.
I'm not that fussed.
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In reply to Timmd:
That'll be why you hardly ever mention them.
> Aha, that only proves my point perhaps - that their ambiguity means they 'are' unclear in meaning?
> I'm not that fussed.
That'll be why you hardly ever mention them.
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In reply to Trangia:
I don't recall the thread in question, but just to say I don't think you usually post racist stuff.
Which reminds me, whatever happened to Sam in Leeds?
I don't recall the thread in question, but just to say I don't think you usually post racist stuff.
Which reminds me, whatever happened to Sam in Leeds?
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In reply to Timmd:
Telling the children why they are stupid clearly doesn't stop them. Facebook did the research into dislike buttons and dumped the idea as a result; all in the face of apparent majority public support (and subsequent mass sulk). Never mind logic and research, dislikes gives the children a warm feeling inside and for some, cuts anxiety with long threads and poor attention spans. On the plus side it provides more chances for you and I to witness the fabulous gymnastics of rhetorical bilge in the defence of the button.
Telling the children why they are stupid clearly doesn't stop them. Facebook did the research into dislike buttons and dumped the idea as a result; all in the face of apparent majority public support (and subsequent mass sulk). Never mind logic and research, dislikes gives the children a warm feeling inside and for some, cuts anxiety with long threads and poor attention spans. On the plus side it provides more chances for you and I to witness the fabulous gymnastics of rhetorical bilge in the defence of the button.
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In reply to Trangia:
I wouldn't worry about it, the label 'racist' has been so devalued these days, if you have not been labelled racist by someone then it is because you have not discussed racial issues in a modern world.
> That's not good, racist posts are bad. I don't believe I've ever made one intentionally, and I don't remember the post. it must have been several years ago if it was before the facility was introduced. I would rather that you took issue with me rather than use a dislike. I hope you did at the time?
I wouldn't worry about it, the label 'racist' has been so devalued these days, if you have not been labelled racist by someone then it is because you have not discussed racial issues in a modern world.
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