In reply to Mick Ward:
> Was talking about this with my climbing partner (same age) yesterday. Back in the day, with guidebooks which didn't give much away, there was a tradition of going to out of the way places to see what they were like. OK half the time they were crap but you'd meet some 'interesting' locals, have some banter, tick what could be ticked, etc. And, then, if it was really crap, you'd drop a hint about it being brilliant to lure in your gullible mates. But as the late Brian Cropper used to say, you'd go and have a wee adventure. This kind of exploration was part and parcel of climbing (perhaps because many climbers started with hillwalking?)
> Sadly, along with singing in climbers' pubs, this sense of exploration has largely gone. So many climbers seem to regard routes as commodities - the 'price' of grades and stars rather than the value of experience.
> Sometimes I look across at Godnor and it's heaving, everybody clustered together as though for protection. And yet, once you want around the corner, you're in another world (not scary, just different). I've never seen anyone walk around the corner...
> Mick
You might be onto something here Mick.
Like many of my generation (probably the vast majority in fact) I came to climbing by hillwalking - or as it was acceptably called then, rambling.
A 1 or 2 hour walk in to crag was neither here nor there (still isn't in fact) and was actually all part of the fun and adventure.
Even if the weather was a bit iffy, you still went to the crag - I can't be alone in heading off up to Cloggy in the drizzle on the off chance it might get better, only to end up with a slimy thrutch up a classic VS, but still enjoying it all.
But with today's wall bred/sport introduction to climbing, where a 5 minute approach seems to be classed as a slog, is it any wonder that those crags nearest the car are being trashed, while the mountain crags and those little jewels of grit that require a bit more effort to get too, are slowly dissappearing back into the hillsides?
The irony is, that this herd mentality means the modern generation don't realise what glorious routes, climbing, fun and adventures they're missing out on.
But then again, maybe it's not actually adventure they're looking for.?
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