In reply to Edward Frillypants: It's in the main sense of word "idealism" that the reality had to be in another way. If your (or mine, or her...) idealism does exist in the large common people then that's not idealism, that's realism. And the problem (if that's a problem) is that when a good, or very good idea is transferred into reality, people caught it in our own way, not in the "original ideal way". In the climbing part, here in Spain a few great climbers try to make things as they think should be, clean climbing and bolts only in pure slab opening the route from the ground (i agree with this, unless I can't climb this routes never in my life) , some people call them criminals (for long distance prot. or not prot) and some others wait the line is finished to abseil the route and place bolts where they need to re-grade the route higher. Personally, I feel so much respect about the british "ethical restrictions" in most places, and free bolting in others. Everything must be in the fields of lord. I don't know if my english is too sharp to say this kind of things, but I try as hard as I can. Be happy, live long, go ahead.