/ Climbing with caving?

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Drue - on 17 Oct 2016
Hi all, recently spent the day at stoney Middleton for a good days climbing, as it was raining in the morning we spent a few hours squeezing around some of the caves and afterwards got our climbing done and had a great day.

Wondered if people knew of any other climbing venues with the added bonus of caving fun to be had? Thanks for any suggestions!
summo on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Symonds Yat (not serious, very safe)
Llangattock Escarpment, (ranging from safe & simple, to full on)
john arran - on 17 Oct 2016
petegunn on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:
Loads of crags in the Yorkshire Dales, but many would need specialist caving gear.

You could combine some climbing in Chapel-le-Dale, Twistleton Scars, and maybe do Thistle and Runscar (level I/II caves with straightforward walking and crawling passage) next to the Ribblehead via duct.

Lots of short 5-20m caves between the waterfalls at Gordale
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atrendall - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Lockwood's Chimney should meet the criteria.
Oceanrower - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Spoilt for choice around the Cheddar Gorge area. Also South Wales. In fact, if you're climbing on Limestone, you're probably within reach of a cave*. Those Tufa's didn't form on the outside, you know.

*Yes, even Portland.
davidbeynon on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

For a foreign trip the Julian Alps have some caves that start about 2km above sea level
tjekel - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Slovenijan Karst for sport climbing and caves, Austrian northern limestone alps for multipitch and caving (Untersberg, Tennengebirge, Dachstein, Totes Gebirge).
Bernard Shakey on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Clwyd, I'm literally just out from a cave having spent about 5 hours digging for new passage, about 10 minutes away from the Eglwyseg escarpment
Chris Craggs - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Oceanrower:

> Spoilt for choice around the Cheddar Gorge area. Also South Wales. In fact, if you're climbing on Limestone, you're probably within reach of a cave*. Those Tufa's didn't form on the outside, you know.

> *Yes, even Portland.

What about in the Verdon?

http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item/68218/steve_mcclure_flashes_tom_et_je_ris_8b_verdon


Chris
GrahamD - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

The Picos and Vercors are pretty big climbing and caving areas, but I suspect not quite what you are looking for !

Of course in Pembroke you have Preposterous tails amongst others which have the 'best' of both.
rocksol - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Virtually anywhere in Yorks check UK Caving for ideas. Before climbing walls for fitness many top climbers used to go caving in the winter months. Some still do; I'm off next month with someone who has led E9. It's fantastic fun, but a word of warning, it's no good for poseurs as it can be dirty and no one can see you do it The the hard work starts when you get to the bottom!! With some harsher UK trips in excess of 10 hrs it,s a test of body and mind with difficulties and objective dangers the equivalent of alpine ED,s. Fantastic
Andrew Wilson - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Trow Gill is very close to Bar Pot and other entrances to the Gaping Gill system, but they all require SRT entry/exit.
There are various good caves above Kilnsey, Dowkabottom, Sleets Gill, Langstroth Cave etc which can all be explored in the right weather without too much kit.

Andy
Clint86 - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Mmmm.......that lot should keep you busy.
oldie - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Would Avernus and Benny at Swanage count? I've heard that there are large caves on Portland and that one entry is on the Blacknor cliffs.
nickcanute - on 17 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Masson Lee's quarry matlock .. sport climbs from 5 to 7s and a massive mine. Or for natural chambers intersected by mine, jug holes, which is near where you park your car for Masson but other side of the road
Oceanrower - on 18 Oct 2016
In reply to oldie:

> Would Avernus and Benny at Swanage count? I've heard that there are large caves on Portland and that one entry is on the Blacknor cliffs.

More than one.
Tradical on 18 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Lots of adventure to be had out there.

It would be worth asking on the UKCaving forum - they're the people in the know.

If you're really keen you could contact your local club and be taken under the club wing

Not to put a dull note on it but:
Just be wary about straying off open access land - there are issues with CROW (rights of way) and access permits and so on - respect the system or it could damage delicate relationships with landowners that have taken years to develop.

Often it's as simple as asking the farmer if it's okay to have a look and pay a small trespass fee - a pound.

Caves are not considered 'Open Air Recreation' like climbing and walking, so different rules apply unfortunately, and they vary from cave to cave. It will change for the better eventually.
Oceanrower - on 18 Oct 2016
In reply to Tradical:

> It will change for the better eventually.

I truly admire your confidence and I hope you're right.

Unfortunately I think the status quo will prevail.
Tradical on 18 Oct 2016
In reply to Oceanrower:

I think it's just an age based liberalism issue. The student stance is clear, I don't know anyone who likes the current faffy system other than a few old crusties.
PLM - on 18 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Do crypt route, best of both worlds, and then wander over to the top of Bidean nam Bian for a truly multi-activity mountain day.
GrahamD - on 18 Oct 2016
In reply to Tradical:

Cave access is also problematic for the emergency services - they rely heavily on the BCRA who only have limited resources.

Having said that, as a Climbing and Caving club member, the caving side don't seem to have much problem getting permits.
Chris Craggs - on 18 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Not quite what you are asking but years ago we got to the bottom of Juniper Gulf in the morning and did Mulatto Wall (Malham) in the afternoon,


Chris
Pbob on 18 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Captains Crawl on Birchens. Climbing and caving all in one pitch. Sort of...
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MischaHY - on 19 Oct 2016
In reply to Drue:

Get yourself to Stanage and do Paping About Like a Man With No Arms (VS 4c). All the climbing/caving that a man could ask for.

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