In reply to Valkyrie1968:
> Most of that seems to have been a general attack on me, rather than my points.
Indeed, because you have no substantiated points to make. You just nastily infer stuff that isn't there. This makes me angry and damn right I am attacking you for it.
> Let me recap some of your statements:
> "Rather than try their hardest to hang on in there, just give up and fall off as if ground up actually counted"
As I said, I thought the "youth of today" cliche which you have conveniently removed made it clear this was a bit tongue in cheek. In retrospect, I wish I'd played it straight.
> "Sure, you can, if you like, go to a race track and spin off every second corner, but don't criticise those of us who choose not to do so"
> This one requires a little more imagination, as the metaphor is rather artful, but still, I'd say the message is quite clear.
How the f*ck can you possibly interpret that as a criticism of those who fall off a lot - it specifically says its ok to fall off a lot and simply criticizes you for attacking those of us who don't.
> To finish, one from just lines below your claim to not criticise:
> "If you do not have an all or nothing approach to an onsight attempt, and a fall, with ground up as a back-up quasi success, does not mean outright failure, or climb with the intention of a ground up ascent and no onsight ambition at all, then I seriously do wonder whether there is such a strong motivation to hang on in there"
This was quite clearly a serious point, an attempt to get back to the actual debate about reasons for falling off. There is no criticism of anyone.
> You might (and probably will) try and argue that many of these instances don't represent an outright condemnation.
Indeed. None of them represent any condemnation whatsoever. It is all in your slimy little imagination.
> What they do represent, however, is sneering.
None of that either.
> And, by the way, claiming someone has a "tiny, adequate dick" - although I assume you meant inadequate) is not very nice.
Well you strted the stuff about "flopping dicks" in your initial unpleasant post. And yes, I meant inadequate, and it clearly is if you are such a massive arsehole that you feel the need to lie outright by completely fabricating quotes to try to make your nasty little attacks in the absence of anything of any substance to go on. I've no idea where your unpleasant and pathetic agenda comes from and what issues you really have.
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