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Very worrying:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646
I have just read a story on the BBC news site about large London based banks starting the process of due diligence in Paris and possibly other European cities. If this story is correct and ends as a bad as it could do for the City of London, that's perhaps our biggest GDP generator stuffed. We could then find that we are up the proverbial watercourse without the appropriate equipment.
Added to this, there is the equally worrying possibility that it could lead to a regulatory war between the UK and the EU in an attempt to entice the banks. From bitter experience, I think we know where poor banking regulations might lead us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646
I have just read a story on the BBC news site about large London based banks starting the process of due diligence in Paris and possibly other European cities. If this story is correct and ends as a bad as it could do for the City of London, that's perhaps our biggest GDP generator stuffed. We could then find that we are up the proverbial watercourse without the appropriate equipment.
Added to this, there is the equally worrying possibility that it could lead to a regulatory war between the UK and the EU in an attempt to entice the banks. From bitter experience, I think we know where poor banking regulations might lead us.
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In reply to Hugh J:
Yeah, but no, but, yeah, it's the will of the people innit. Democratic right to vote on shizle.
Yeah, but no, but, yeah, it's the will of the people innit. Democratic right to vote on shizle.
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In reply to Hugh J:
More BBC Brexit scaremongering, no surprises there.
Some major banks are in advanced stages of planning to shift some operations from London to Paris, France's leading financial regulator has told the BBC.
Benoit de Juvigny said that "large international banks" have undertaken the due diligence needed to set up a subsidiary in the French capital.
He also told Newsnight that "many other companies" had lodged informal inquiries about moving post-Brexit.
More BBC Brexit scaremongering, no surprises there.
Some major banks are in advanced stages of planning to shift some operations from London to Paris, France's leading financial regulator has told the BBC.
Benoit de Juvigny said that "large international banks" have undertaken the due diligence needed to set up a subsidiary in the French capital.
He also told Newsnight that "many other companies" had lodged informal inquiries about moving post-Brexit.
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In reply to Big Ger:
Yeah, that had occured to me too, but (as the saying goes) no smoke without fire.
Yeah, that had occured to me too, but (as the saying goes) no smoke without fire.
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In reply to Big Ger:
So you don't just copy and paste! You can put stuff in bold as well.
I notice that you ignored the words major, large and many though.
So you don't just copy and paste! You can put stuff in bold as well.
I notice that you ignored the words major, large and many though.
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In reply to Hugh J:
I would expect any bank to do it. It should not take much planning as most Swiss banks have already created modest satellite offices in the EU cities, mainly housing lawyers, not bankers so they can continue the financial trading which requires passporting rights. Which incidental is a very small amount of total bank work, most trading can happen from any country, in or out of the EU and UK status is irrelevant.
https://www.ft.com/content/ed1be92a-b877-3af7-9cc3-a5648c33e54a here moodys say any impact is manageable and likely to be limited.
But, keep wafting that smoke hoping for a fire.
I would expect any bank to do it. It should not take much planning as most Swiss banks have already created modest satellite offices in the EU cities, mainly housing lawyers, not bankers so they can continue the financial trading which requires passporting rights. Which incidental is a very small amount of total bank work, most trading can happen from any country, in or out of the EU and UK status is irrelevant.
https://www.ft.com/content/ed1be92a-b877-3af7-9cc3-a5648c33e54a here moodys say any impact is manageable and likely to be limited.
But, keep wafting that smoke hoping for a fire.
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In reply to Big Ger:
Perhaps the Daily Heil is more to your taste https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3863330/amp/B...
Perhaps the Daily Heil is more to your taste https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3863330/amp/B...
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In reply to summo:
What matters is where the banks pay their taxes. Is there any evidence that banks are planning to headquarter themselves in the EU, rather than London?
What matters is where the banks pay their taxes. Is there any evidence that banks are planning to headquarter themselves in the EU, rather than London?
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In reply to Sir Chasm:
also much of what MPs in other EU countries say about brexit isn't for UK ears, they are trying to scare their own population from even considering an exit. Big elections next year, France is worried.
also much of what MPs in other EU countries say about brexit isn't for UK ears, they are trying to scare their own population from even considering an exit. Big elections next year, France is worried.
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In reply to summo:
Can't read that, do Moodys say the impact will be positive or negative for the UK?
Can't read that, do Moodys say the impact will be positive or negative for the UK?
In reply to Hugh J:
As Big Ger said, it is sabre rattling! They want their own share of corporate welfare promises such as those given the the automotive sector.
Also, any such move will aid with economic rebalancing and lift the economic resource curse - don't forget how hard our economy was hit during the 2008 crash because of our over dependence on the financial sector - and consider how much we are still exposed.
As Big Ger said, it is sabre rattling! They want their own share of corporate welfare promises such as those given the the automotive sector.
Also, any such move will aid with economic rebalancing and lift the economic resource curse - don't forget how hard our economy was hit during the 2008 crash because of our over dependence on the financial sector - and consider how much we are still exposed.
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In reply to Andy Hardy:
not that've read or heard. Banks aren't going to exit London soon, as their work force, skills base and subsidiary companies that specialise in legal or IT services related to banking are in the UK too. But 20 years down the line if the UK doesn't keep London etc... banking friendly then employment could progressively drift away.
Perhaps the UK population needs to be educated on just how much revenue the city brings in (ie. twice as much as oil and gas, even when oil was expensive).. the same groups of people who labelled them evil banksters are now worried they might leave London and using their exit as ammunition. Hypocrites or finally realising which side their bread was buttered?
> What matters is where the banks pay their taxes. Is there any evidence that banks are planning to headquarter themselves in the EU, rather than London?
not that've read or heard. Banks aren't going to exit London soon, as their work force, skills base and subsidiary companies that specialise in legal or IT services related to banking are in the UK too. But 20 years down the line if the UK doesn't keep London etc... banking friendly then employment could progressively drift away.
Perhaps the UK population needs to be educated on just how much revenue the city brings in (ie. twice as much as oil and gas, even when oil was expensive).. the same groups of people who labelled them evil banksters are now worried they might leave London and using their exit as ammunition. Hypocrites or finally realising which side their bread was buttered?
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In reply to Sir Chasm:
they said it's manageable and because passporting is relatively niche, some smaller trading companies that specialise might be hurt or move, other massive corporations won't have any noticeable impact as it represents such a small part of their overall banking business.
> Can't read that, do Moodys say the impact will be positive or negative for the UK?
they said it's manageable and because passporting is relatively niche, some smaller trading companies that specialise might be hurt or move, other massive corporations won't have any noticeable impact as it represents such a small part of their overall banking business.
In reply to summo:
Negative then, thank you.
> they said it's manageable and because passporting is relatively niche, some smaller trading companies that specialise might be hurt or move, other massive corporations won't have any noticeable impact as it represents such a small part of their overall banking business.
Negative then, thank you.
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In reply to Shani:
by dependence on the financial sector, I presume you mean debt, borrowing and everyone or everything being over leveraged (many still are). Not the actual tax revenue or employment within banking itself.
I do agree that some rebalancing is needed as the recession probably wasn't hard enough to force meaningful change. So the problems of debt, leverage and false growth off the back of over spending still remain. All will come to bite us again in the near future.
> Also, any such move will aid with economic rebalancing and lift the economic resource curse - don't forget how hard our economy was hit during the 2008 crash because of our over dependence on the financial sector - and consider how much we are still exposed.
by dependence on the financial sector, I presume you mean debt, borrowing and everyone or everything being over leveraged (many still are). Not the actual tax revenue or employment within banking itself.
I do agree that some rebalancing is needed as the recession probably wasn't hard enough to force meaningful change. So the problems of debt, leverage and false growth off the back of over spending still remain. All will come to bite us again in the near future.
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In reply to Sir Chasm:
just like EUs desire for a banking transaction tax, swings and roundabouts.
> Negative then, thank you.
just like EUs desire for a banking transaction tax, swings and roundabouts.
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In reply to Shani:
I truly hope you, Big Ger and Summo are right. I didn't put this thread up as a "told you so" provocation, but because it is genuinely worrying.
> As Big Ger said, it is sabre rattling! They want their own share of corporate welfare promises such as those given the the automotive sector.
I truly hope you, Big Ger and Summo are right. I didn't put this thread up as a "told you so" provocation, but because it is genuinely worrying.
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In reply to Shani:
Isn't that a bit of a lose lose scenario? The banks move and we lose the tax, we pay to keep the banks (as per Nissan) and it costs us.
Isn't that a bit of a lose lose scenario? The banks move and we lose the tax, we pay to keep the banks (as per Nissan) and it costs us.
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In reply to summo:
What positive impact are Moodys predicting?
> just like EUs desire for a banking transaction tax, swings and roundabouts.
What positive impact are Moodys predicting?
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In reply to Shani:
I'm loving the spin: It will be great if the UK loses much of one of its most successful business sectors because ... if we're all poor we'll have less to lose!
> Also, any such move will aid with economic rebalancing and lift the economic resource curse - don't forget how hard our economy was hit during the 2008 crash because of our over dependence on the financial sector - and consider how much we are still exposed.
I'm loving the spin: It will be great if the UK loses much of one of its most successful business sectors because ... if we're all poor we'll have less to lose!
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In reply to Sir Chasm:
didn't say they were, but if we remained in the EU their desire for a transaction tax might win through and the UK banking sector would be impacted that way. It is to some extent all unknowns.
> What positive impact are Moodys predicting?
didn't say they were, but if we remained in the EU their desire for a transaction tax might win through and the UK banking sector would be impacted that way. It is to some extent all unknowns.
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In reply to john arran:
sadly I think many would like to kill the golden goose, just because they don't like birds in general.
> I'm loving the spin: It will be great if the UK loses much of one of its most successful business sectors because ... if we're all poor we'll have less to lose!
sadly I think many would like to kill the golden goose, just because they don't like birds in general.
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In reply to Hugh J:
The story, emanating as it does from the French financial regulator, probably has more to do with justifying his own salary and internal French politics than anything else. Paris is far from a default choice for passport-hunting institutions. Maybe he feels the pressure to look busy? The BBC is doing soft Brexiters a favour by highlighting it of course. And the banks will be supportive of the pressure it piles on the UK's negotiators.
The story, emanating as it does from the French financial regulator, probably has more to do with justifying his own salary and internal French politics than anything else. Paris is far from a default choice for passport-hunting institutions. Maybe he feels the pressure to look busy? The BBC is doing soft Brexiters a favour by highlighting it of course. And the banks will be supportive of the pressure it piles on the UK's negotiators.
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In reply to Sir Chasm:
Is that the Moody's which rated sub-prime mortgage-backed securities as A grade?
> What positive impact are Moodys predicting?
Is that the Moody's which rated sub-prime mortgage-backed securities as A grade?
In reply to BnB:
it would be, it was in the FT so perhaps I attached more credibility to it than I should!
> Is that the Moody's which rated sub-prime mortgage-backed securities as A grade?
it would be, it was in the FT so perhaps I attached more credibility to it than I should!
In reply to BnB:
Unless there are 2. Perhaps no financial institutions are considering moving any of their operations.
> Is that the Moody's which rated sub-prime mortgage-backed securities as A grade?
Unless there are 2. Perhaps no financial institutions are considering moving any of their operations.
In reply to Sir Chasm:
Every major company across the world is in a constant state of questioning its infrastructure. Thats how they stay successful. I'm hoping this story piles pressure on the government to soften the effects of Brexit. Far from despairing, I welcome the warnings, as should any Remainer. But I don't expect a worst case scenario to ensue. Events have a habit of confounding predictions (expert or otherwise).
Every major company across the world is in a constant state of questioning its infrastructure. Thats how they stay successful. I'm hoping this story piles pressure on the government to soften the effects of Brexit. Far from despairing, I welcome the warnings, as should any Remainer. But I don't expect a worst case scenario to ensue. Events have a habit of confounding predictions (expert or otherwise).
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In reply to john arran:
Hi John. I was coming more from a position of the over dependence of the economy on a financial services. The UK is hugely exposed to both European and Chinese debt and as the cyclical nature of crashes becomes ever shortening and more pronounced, the UK is uniquely vulnerable. Best we share the risk of hosting financial services industry.
A rebalanced economy, broader based and diverse in nature, would be economically more sustainable and generally less volatile.
> I'm loving the spin: It will be great if the UK loses much of one of its most successful business sectors because ... if we're all poor we'll have less to lose!
Hi John. I was coming more from a position of the over dependence of the economy on a financial services. The UK is hugely exposed to both European and Chinese debt and as the cyclical nature of crashes becomes ever shortening and more pronounced, the UK is uniquely vulnerable. Best we share the risk of hosting financial services industry.
A rebalanced economy, broader based and diverse in nature, would be economically more sustainable and generally less volatile.
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In reply to Shani:
or keep the banks and just reduce all aspects of our debt? Be the control of money, not the chief borrower.
> A rebalanced economy, broader based and diverse in nature, would be economically more sustainable and generally less volatile.
or keep the banks and just reduce all aspects of our debt? Be the control of money, not the chief borrower.
In reply to Shani:
Absolutely, but we wouldn't have had this if we didn't vote out.
True, but our manufacturing industry hast exactly come on leaps and bounds int he last 8 years. If tariffs and other difficulties in trading are imposed then it won't help matters.
> As Big Ger said, it is sabre rattling! They want their own share of corporate welfare promises such as those given the the automotive sector.
Absolutely, but we wouldn't have had this if we didn't vote out.
> Also, any such move will aid with economic rebalancing and lift the economic resource curse - don't forget how hard our economy was hit during the 2008 crash because of our over dependence on the financial sector - and consider how much we are still exposed.
True, but our manufacturing industry hast exactly come on leaps and bounds int he last 8 years. If tariffs and other difficulties in trading are imposed then it won't help matters.
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In reply to Hugh J:
Well it wouldn't have been in the news but these discussions happen year in year out. Business as normal.
Well it wouldn't have been in the news but these discussions happen year in year out. Business as normal.
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In reply to cap'nChino:
I'm not so sure about this statement. The finance industry has a history of sabre rattling to improve its lot. Lobbying is a 'next great scandal' awaiting to happen.
> Absolutely, but we wouldn't have had this if we didn't vote out.
I'm not so sure about this statement. The finance industry has a history of sabre rattling to improve its lot. Lobbying is a 'next great scandal' awaiting to happen.
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In reply to Shani:
I dont know much about the history of this but giving them an EU exit has given them a brilliant bargaining chip.
Agreed, it s bloody disgrace what some institutions lobby for and the efforts they go to.
> I'm not so sure about this statement. The finance industry has a history of sabre rattling to improve its lot.
I dont know much about the history of this but giving them an EU exit has given them a brilliant bargaining chip.
> Lobbying is a 'next great scandal' awaiting to happen.
Agreed, it s bloody disgrace what some institutions lobby for and the efforts they go to.
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In reply to cap'nChino:
or who they lobby-
https://lobbyfacts.eu/reports/lobby-costs/all?page=1&sort=acc&order...
> Agreed, it s bloody disgrace what some institutions lobby for and the efforts they go to.
or who they lobby-
https://lobbyfacts.eu/reports/lobby-costs/all?page=1&sort=acc&order...
In reply to cap'nChino:
restructured the list, only showing those who had the most meetings with the EU and how much they've spent.
https://lobbyfacts.eu/reports/lobby-costs/all/0/1/1/2/0/0/
google spent 5m euros and has had 120 EU meetings.. the list is littered with chemical companies spending millions each lobbying the EU. Democracy in action?
restructured the list, only showing those who had the most meetings with the EU and how much they've spent.
https://lobbyfacts.eu/reports/lobby-costs/all/0/1/1/2/0/0/
google spent 5m euros and has had 120 EU meetings.. the list is littered with chemical companies spending millions each lobbying the EU. Democracy in action?
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In reply to john arran:
if you drop the sarcasm, then times of crisis can be opportunities for change.
not pleasant ones necessarily but since when is pleasantry a requisite for a meaningful life?
> I'm loving the spin: It will be great if the UK loses much of one of its most successful business sectors because ... if we're all poor we'll have less to lose!
if you drop the sarcasm, then times of crisis can be opportunities for change.
not pleasant ones necessarily but since when is pleasantry a requisite for a meaningful life?
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In reply to Hugh J:
Weren't there similar rumblings with the introduction of the additional rate tax a few years ago, and then the bank levy, or is this different?
Weren't there similar rumblings with the introduction of the additional rate tax a few years ago, and then the bank levy, or is this different?
In reply to jondo:
Well let's not stop at Brexit then, let's go the whole hog and have another World war. That'll give us plenty of opportunity for change, give lots of people a more meaningful life (albeit a shorter one.)
Sorry about the sarcasm, but there again...
Well let's not stop at Brexit then, let's go the whole hog and have another World war. That'll give us plenty of opportunity for change, give lots of people a more meaningful life (albeit a shorter one.)
Sorry about the sarcasm, but there again...
In reply to Hugh J:
The Brexiteers don't like experts, facts or inconvenient truths. They're all now anti democratic apparently. The only thing that matters is the bellowing of the "red, white and blue" nationalist mob and the fury of their angry newspapers.
The Brexiteers don't like experts, facts or inconvenient truths. They're all now anti democratic apparently. The only thing that matters is the bellowing of the "red, white and blue" nationalist mob and the fury of their angry newspapers.
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In reply to alastairmac:
No made up "facts" in your reply at all, well done.
> The Brexiteers don't like experts, facts or inconvenient truths. They're all now anti democratic apparently. The only thing that matters is the bellowing of the "red, white and blue" nationalist mob and the fury of their angry newspapers.
No made up "facts" in your reply at all, well done.
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In reply to Rob Exile Ward:
why would war give people a more meaningful life?
have you ever seen war Rob Exile Ward ?
sorry for the anti sarcasm, i tend to take it rather seriously when strangers try to make me sound pathetic for no reason.
change can equally be a restructuring of the economy around climate change, or do you think it's not worth it ? better seeing you and your family and everyone else die in a pointless war as your 'sarcasm' suggests ?
> Well let's not stop at Brexit then, let's go the whole hog and have another World war. That'll give us plenty of opportunity for change, give lots of people a more meaningful life (albeit a shorter one.)
> Sorry about the sarcasm, but there again...
why would war give people a more meaningful life?
have you ever seen war Rob Exile Ward ?
sorry for the anti sarcasm, i tend to take it rather seriously when strangers try to make me sound pathetic for no reason.
change can equally be a restructuring of the economy around climate change, or do you think it's not worth it ? better seeing you and your family and everyone else die in a pointless war as your 'sarcasm' suggests ?
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In reply to alastairmac:
yeah, the facts just flowed from Cameron and Osborune's mouths about how the economy would be looking after we voted for Brexit, 4-5 months later most of their predictions don't seem to have happened or even close. Various companies have vowed to remain in the UK, tata is back in business, there is more growth in the UK than the EU and the world still turns...
> The Brexiteers don't like experts, facts or inconvenient truths.
yeah, the facts just flowed from Cameron and Osborune's mouths about how the economy would be looking after we voted for Brexit, 4-5 months later most of their predictions don't seem to have happened or even close. Various companies have vowed to remain in the UK, tata is back in business, there is more growth in the UK than the EU and the world still turns...
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In reply to summo:
Yes, but at the cost of increasing the UK's corporate welfare budget.
> Various companies have vowed to remain in the UK, tata is back in business, there is more growth in the UK than the EU and the world still turns...
Yes, but at the cost of increasing the UK's corporate welfare budget.
In reply to summo:
If you find that reassuring then I'm happy for you. Most of the businesses I work with, almost regardless of size and sector, are preparing for a sustained economic slowdown. Many are presently delaying or cancelling investment decisions. None of that is helped by a complete lack of any industrial strategy and an incoherent approach to international trade. In some ways I'm more disturbed by the background of sharply rising accounts of racist incidents and an ugly tone of jingoism, intolerance and nationalism. The failure of Theresa May to utterly condemn the poisonous targeting of an independent judiciary by the right wing press in attempt to intimidate them illustrates quite how far we've moved from our supposedly liberal values.
If you find that reassuring then I'm happy for you. Most of the businesses I work with, almost regardless of size and sector, are preparing for a sustained economic slowdown. Many are presently delaying or cancelling investment decisions. None of that is helped by a complete lack of any industrial strategy and an incoherent approach to international trade. In some ways I'm more disturbed by the background of sharply rising accounts of racist incidents and an ugly tone of jingoism, intolerance and nationalism. The failure of Theresa May to utterly condemn the poisonous targeting of an independent judiciary by the right wing press in attempt to intimidate them illustrates quite how far we've moved from our supposedly liberal values.
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In reply to Sir Chasm:
yep, and i'm apparently quite dumb and you are clever because your'e a sir !
> So good change is good and bad change isn't so good. Cor!
yep, and i'm apparently quite dumb and you are clever because your'e a sir !
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In reply to alastairmac:
This is the tragic thing with Brexit; it is becoming self fulfilling in terms of a slow down. It will get worse. Gove is talking about a bonfire of employee rights with Brexit. Now THAT is something I think at the least, should go to a referendum.
> If you find that reassuring then I'm happy for you. Most of the businesses I work with, almost regardless of size and sector, are preparing for a sustained economic slowdown. Many are presently delaying or cancelling investment decisions. None of that is helped by a complete lack of any industrial strategy and an incoherent approach to international trade. In some ways I'm more disturbed by the background of sharply rising accounts of racist incidents and an ugly tone of jingoism, intolerance and nationalism. The failure of Theresa May to utterly condemn the poisonous targeting of an independent judiciary by the right wing press in attempt to intimidate them illustrates quite how far we've moved from our supposedly liberal values.
This is the tragic thing with Brexit; it is becoming self fulfilling in terms of a slow down. It will get worse. Gove is talking about a bonfire of employee rights with Brexit. Now THAT is something I think at the least, should go to a referendum.
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In reply to alastairmac:
It is good to plan for a down turn, the last blip of a recession changed few of the problems that caused it. Debt in all respects is higher than ever, China continues to cook its own books, currency and markets... Everything will come home to roost eventually and those who are most leveraged will suffer. Be it country, business or home mortgage holder.
It is good to plan for a down turn, the last blip of a recession changed few of the problems that caused it. Debt in all respects is higher than ever, China continues to cook its own books, currency and markets... Everything will come home to roost eventually and those who are most leveraged will suffer. Be it country, business or home mortgage holder.
In reply to Hugh J:
Anecdotal evidence: A banker I know working for a French bank is being relocated to Paris in light of the Brexit uncertainty.
Anecdotal evidence: A banker I know working for a French bank is being relocated to Paris in light of the Brexit uncertainty.
In reply to bouldery bits:
In reply to Hugh J:
Anecdotal evidence: A banker I know working for a French bank is being relocated to Paris in light of the Brexit uncertainty.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38248828
> Rats.
> Sinking ship.
> Sinking ship.
In reply to Hugh J:
Anecdotal evidence: A banker I know working for a French bank is being relocated to Paris in light of the Brexit uncertainty.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38248828
In reply to Shani:
is this any different to the EU CAP scheme, or it's investment loans at special rates, or the money it gives deprived areas... but if the UK government does something to help a business in a part of the country that isn't exactly over flowing with employment opportunities in the UK it's corporate welfare?
If we give the EU a pile of cash, they take a little slice for themselves, they then give some of it back as an EU development grant to Sunderland Borough Council, would that be ok?
> Yes, but at the cost of increasing the UK's corporate welfare budget.
is this any different to the EU CAP scheme, or it's investment loans at special rates, or the money it gives deprived areas... but if the UK government does something to help a business in a part of the country that isn't exactly over flowing with employment opportunities in the UK it's corporate welfare?
If we give the EU a pile of cash, they take a little slice for themselves, they then give some of it back as an EU development grant to Sunderland Borough Council, would that be ok?
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In reply to Jim Hamilton:
As I've said previously, I hope you and others are right and this is just "sabre rattling". The difference here, though I could be wrong, is that a process of due diligence has begun. Being a complex and expensive process, this seems to be a bit more serious.
> Weren't there similar rumblings with the introduction of the additional rate tax a few years ago, and then the bank levy, or is this different?
As I've said previously, I hope you and others are right and this is just "sabre rattling". The difference here, though I could be wrong, is that a process of due diligence has begun. Being a complex and expensive process, this seems to be a bit more serious.
In reply to jondo:
With respect matey, you typed this:
'then times of crisis can be opportunities for change.
not pleasant ones necessarily but since when is pleasantry a requisite for a meaningful life? '
1) Some of us think we are going to approach a crisis, but one that was entirely avoidable and unnecessary. 2) You were the one stressing that such a crisis might have positive benefits it terms of a 'meaningful life', whatever that might mean.
Personally I've found making a living, running a business, bringing up kids and not doing too many bad things as quite meaningful enough, thanks very much, without having extra crises to deal with courtesy of Farage, Johnson, the Daily Fail et al.
With respect matey, you typed this:
'then times of crisis can be opportunities for change.
not pleasant ones necessarily but since when is pleasantry a requisite for a meaningful life? '
1) Some of us think we are going to approach a crisis, but one that was entirely avoidable and unnecessary. 2) You were the one stressing that such a crisis might have positive benefits it terms of a 'meaningful life', whatever that might mean.
Personally I've found making a living, running a business, bringing up kids and not doing too many bad things as quite meaningful enough, thanks very much, without having extra crises to deal with courtesy of Farage, Johnson, the Daily Fail et al.
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In reply to Hugh J:
I think the journalist is over-stating the importance of "due diligence" - it is not a formal term and doesn't necessarily imply a long or complicated process. In fact in many cases what passes for due diligence isn't even very diligent.
I'd be more alarmed if there are banks with European business who hadn't started to think through what they would do if we end up without passporting rights.
> As I've said previously, I hope you and others are right and this is just "sabre rattling". The difference here, though I could be wrong, is that a process of due diligence has begun. Being a complex and expensive process, this seems to be a bit more serious.
I think the journalist is over-stating the importance of "due diligence" - it is not a formal term and doesn't necessarily imply a long or complicated process. In fact in many cases what passes for due diligence isn't even very diligent.
I'd be more alarmed if there are banks with European business who hadn't started to think through what they would do if we end up without passporting rights.
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In reply to summo:
All, to a point, valid points, but only one side of the coin. Running the EU takes money to administer. For this we get agreed standards - which mean we don't have to have our own quality standards on a per country basis and also allows us to do away with customs. The EU was also the source of those employment laws that Gove is currently looking at ditching, which give real power and protection to the individual. As for many of our environmental/clean air/clean water laws - they come from Europe.
> is this any different to the EU CAP scheme, or it's investment loans at special rates, or the money it gives deprived areas... but if the UK government does something to help a business in a part of the country that isn't exactly over flowing with employment opportunities in the UK it's corporate welfare?
> If we give the EU a pile of cash, they take a little slice for themselves, they then give some of it back as an EU development grant to Sunderland Borough Council, would that be ok?
All, to a point, valid points, but only one side of the coin. Running the EU takes money to administer. For this we get agreed standards - which mean we don't have to have our own quality standards on a per country basis and also allows us to do away with customs. The EU was also the source of those employment laws that Gove is currently looking at ditching, which give real power and protection to the individual. As for many of our environmental/clean air/clean water laws - they come from Europe.
In reply to Rob Exile Ward:
sounds like you are looking for a fight of sorts.
look elsewhere.
given that all that shit has happened and the country + economy are facing a certain situation, regardless of your politics you and me can do two things :
moan about it, or see how things maybe can be turned around.
I wasn't telling you what to count as 'meaningful' in your personal life...
but sometimes when people look back at harsh times they see something good came out , not only by the result but also by the journey.
same can be true for an entire country.
and yes, the attitude can influence the outcome.
just my thought.
> With respect matey, you typed this:
> 'then times of crisis can be opportunities for change.
> not pleasant ones necessarily but since when is pleasantry a requisite for a meaningful life? '
> 1) Some of us think we are going to approach a crisis, but one that was entirely avoidable and unnecessary. 2) You were the one stressing that such a crisis might have positive benefits it terms of a 'meaningful life', whatever that might mean.
> Personally I've found making a living, running a business, bringing up kids and not doing too many bad things as quite meaningful enough, thanks very much, without having extra crises to deal with courtesy of Farage, Johnson, the Daily Fail et al.
sounds like you are looking for a fight of sorts.
look elsewhere.
given that all that shit has happened and the country + economy are facing a certain situation, regardless of your politics you and me can do two things :
moan about it, or see how things maybe can be turned around.
I wasn't telling you what to count as 'meaningful' in your personal life...
but sometimes when people look back at harsh times they see something good came out , not only by the result but also by the journey.
same can be true for an entire country.
and yes, the attitude can influence the outcome.
just my thought.
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In reply to Shani:
yes and the UK can spend the money on it's own employees to administer it's own scheme, where every penny of those wages and tax revenue will then be spent in the UK, and on the cycle goes. Rather than helping run Brussels, or paying for trains and hotels just so MEPs can work in Strasbourg for one week a month.
Every country is unique, can't we have a standard that suits the UK perfectly, rather than a suit all general guide for 27/28 nations. A few of those EU standards helped fund several big building projects around the EU which now lie vacant, never used. So the EU 'standard' isn't perfect either.
Not really relevant to argument about supporting business though is it. If the UK population wanted to improve any of those it should have voted libdem, it did the opposite. I will agree that sometimes it might be better if a population is told what to do for it's own long term benefit, but that wouldn't be democracy.
ps. Gove hasn't actually ditched anything yet.
> All, to a point, valid points, but only one side of the coin. Running the EU takes money to administer.
yes and the UK can spend the money on it's own employees to administer it's own scheme, where every penny of those wages and tax revenue will then be spent in the UK, and on the cycle goes. Rather than helping run Brussels, or paying for trains and hotels just so MEPs can work in Strasbourg for one week a month.
> For this we get agreed standards - which mean we don't have to have our own quality standards
Every country is unique, can't we have a standard that suits the UK perfectly, rather than a suit all general guide for 27/28 nations. A few of those EU standards helped fund several big building projects around the EU which now lie vacant, never used. So the EU 'standard' isn't perfect either.
> The EU was also the source of those employment laws that Gove is currently looking at ditching, which give real power and protection to the individual. As for many of our environmental/clean air/clean water laws - they come from Europe.
Not really relevant to argument about supporting business though is it. If the UK population wanted to improve any of those it should have voted libdem, it did the opposite. I will agree that sometimes it might be better if a population is told what to do for it's own long term benefit, but that wouldn't be democracy.
ps. Gove hasn't actually ditched anything yet.
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In reply to summo:
This continual moaning about the cost of Brussels always fails to attempt to quantify how much we might gain from being an eu member, the tax revenue from the city http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/12031950/Ci... dwarfs our EU contributions. Nobody is saying we'd lose all of that, but losing any tax revenue is hardly to be welcomed.
This continual moaning about the cost of Brussels always fails to attempt to quantify how much we might gain from being an eu member, the tax revenue from the city http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/12031950/Ci... dwarfs our EU contributions. Nobody is saying we'd lose all of that, but losing any tax revenue is hardly to be welcomed.
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In reply to summo:
That's all sounding a bit hard Brexit to me. If that's what you want then fair enough. Either way the £350M per week for the NHS is getting smaller and smaller.
That's all sounding a bit hard Brexit to me. If that's what you want then fair enough. Either way the £350M per week for the NHS is getting smaller and smaller.
In reply to summo:
There's overhead in running our own scheme and we won't get economies of scale. Oh, and we're probably STILL going to have to pay in to the EU after Brexit - so clearly the cost is worth it.
Not really, not in a global economy. If we want to trade with the world we HAVE to comply with those standards in the markets we trade with. Thus the fewer global standards we have to comply with the better. And I'd never argue the EU is perfect....it's a work in progress.
Of course environmental standards affect business. Employment Law helps create happy, valued employees which affects business. These things are not discreet.
Agreed though I'm not sure how you think this is relevant.
> yes and the UK can spend the money on it's own employees to administer it's own scheme, where every penny of those wages and tax revenue will then be spent in the UK, and on the cycle goes. Rather than helping run Brussels, or paying for trains and hotels just so MEPs can work in Strasbourg for one week a month.
There's overhead in running our own scheme and we won't get economies of scale. Oh, and we're probably STILL going to have to pay in to the EU after Brexit - so clearly the cost is worth it.
> Every country is unique, can't we have a standard that suits the UK perfectly, rather than a suit all general guide for 27/28 nations. A few of those EU standards helped fund several big building projects around the EU which now lie vacant, never used. So the EU 'standard' isn't perfect either.
Not really, not in a global economy. If we want to trade with the world we HAVE to comply with those standards in the markets we trade with. Thus the fewer global standards we have to comply with the better. And I'd never argue the EU is perfect....it's a work in progress.
> Not really relevant to argument about supporting business though is it. If the UK population wanted to improve any of those it should have voted libdem, it did the opposite. I will agree that sometimes it might be better if a population is told what to do for it's own long term benefit, but that wouldn't be democracy.
Of course environmental standards affect business. Employment Law helps create happy, valued employees which affects business. These things are not discreet.
> ps. Gove hasn't actually ditched anything yet.
Agreed though I'm not sure how you think this is relevant.
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In reply to DaveHK:
yes, and?
Yep, because they were unqualified. my aim was to highlight the "weasel words" the BBC used to make this issue more threatening than it warranted.
Good old Aunty Beeb, Brexit is terrifying for her.
> So you don't just copy and paste! You can put stuff in bold as well.
yes, and?
> I notice that you ignored the words major, large and many though.
Yep, because they were unqualified. my aim was to highlight the "weasel words" the BBC used to make this issue more threatening than it warranted.
Good old Aunty Beeb, Brexit is terrifying for her.
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In reply to Sir Chasm:
Godwin.
Britain's biggest banks will begin a large withdrawal of their presence within Britain as fears grow of a hard Brexit.
If the UK decides to leave the single market and the customs union in order to restrict the freedom of people coming into the country, lenders could move their headquarters out of London's financial district.
According to the Observer huge companies, including Goldman Sachs could make the move by early next year, but smaller groups could depart even sooner.
The chief executive of the British Bankers Association, Anthony Browne said: 'Most international banks now have project teams working out which operations they need to move to ensure they can continue serving customers, the date by which this must happen, and how best to do it.
> Perhaps the Daily Heil is more to your taste https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3863330/amp/B...
Godwin.
Britain's biggest banks will begin a large withdrawal of their presence within Britain as fears grow of a hard Brexit.
If the UK decides to leave the single market and the customs union in order to restrict the freedom of people coming into the country, lenders could move their headquarters out of London's financial district.
According to the Observer huge companies, including Goldman Sachs could make the move by early next year, but smaller groups could depart even sooner.
The chief executive of the British Bankers Association, Anthony Browne said: 'Most international banks now have project teams working out which operations they need to move to ensure they can continue serving customers, the date by which this must happen, and how best to do it.
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In reply to Shani:
but at least the overheads are going towards staff in the UK? Who administer the UKs own development grants.
you are changing the subject, you were taking about standards applied to regional development grants not trade. We can have our own. Don't want to build any special airports like the Spanish have do we.
And plenty countries had better versions of all of them long before the EU, EEA etc.., that the EU loosely copied or watered down. You don't need the EU for any of those.
> There's overhead in running our own scheme and we won't get economies of scale. Oh, and we're probably STILL going to have to pay in to the EU after Brexit - so clearly the cost is worth it.
but at least the overheads are going towards staff in the UK? Who administer the UKs own development grants.
> Not really, not in a global economy. If we want to trade with the world we HAVE to comply with those standards in the markets we trade with.
you are changing the subject, you were taking about standards applied to regional development grants not trade. We can have our own. Don't want to build any special airports like the Spanish have do we.
> Of course environmental standards affect business. Employment Law helps create happy, valued employees which affects business. These things are not discreet.
And plenty countries had better versions of all of them long before the EU, EEA etc.., that the EU loosely copied or watered down. You don't need the EU for any of those.
In reply to Sir Chasm:
they preach austerity to member nations, then annually increase their own budgets. Strasbourg is a joke that should have ended during the peak of the last recession as an example to all on how to get rid of needless expense and extravagance.
> This continual moaning about the cost of Brussels
they preach austerity to member nations, then annually increase their own budgets. Strasbourg is a joke that should have ended during the peak of the last recession as an example to all on how to get rid of needless expense and extravagance.
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In reply to Hugh J:
Care to quote where I've ever referred to £350m etc... Not my claim or argument, the only thing that will save the NHS is 2 or 3% on the base rate of tax or a nominal fee per visit.
I have no dislike of migration of any type. I'd be happy with open borders and trade. Ditch all the other stuff and get back to the bare bones of what is critical. Forget trying to make 27/28 nations into identical clones, let them be unique and trade with each other in whatever way they wish.
> That's all sounding a bit hard Brexit to me. If that's what you want then fair enough. Either way the £350M per week for the NHS is getting smaller and smaller.
Care to quote where I've ever referred to £350m etc... Not my claim or argument, the only thing that will save the NHS is 2 or 3% on the base rate of tax or a nominal fee per visit.
I have no dislike of migration of any type. I'd be happy with open borders and trade. Ditch all the other stuff and get back to the bare bones of what is critical. Forget trying to make 27/28 nations into identical clones, let them be unique and trade with each other in whatever way they wish.
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In reply to Big Ger:
The term "copy-and-paste" refers to the popular, simple method of reproducing text or other data from a source to a destination. It differs from cut and paste in that the original source text or data does not get deleted or removed. The popularity of this method stems from its simplicity and the ease with which users can move data between various applications visually – without resorting to permanent storage.
Once one has copied data into the clipboard, one may paste the contents of the clipboard into a destination document.
The X Window System maintains an additional clipboard containing the most recently selected text; middle-clicking pastes the content of this "selection" clipboard into whatever the pointer is on at that time.
Most terminal emulators and some other applications support the key combinations Ctrl-Insert to copy and Shift-Insert to paste. This is in accordance with the IBM Common User Access (CUA) standard.
The term "copy-and-paste" refers to the popular, simple method of reproducing text or other data from a source to a destination. It differs from cut and paste in that the original source text or data does not get deleted or removed. The popularity of this method stems from its simplicity and the ease with which users can move data between various applications visually – without resorting to permanent storage.
Once one has copied data into the clipboard, one may paste the contents of the clipboard into a destination document.
The X Window System maintains an additional clipboard containing the most recently selected text; middle-clicking pastes the content of this "selection" clipboard into whatever the pointer is on at that time.
Most terminal emulators and some other applications support the key combinations Ctrl-Insert to copy and Shift-Insert to paste. This is in accordance with the IBM Common User Access (CUA) standard.
In reply to Sir Chasm:
> The term "copy-and-paste" refers to the popular, simple method of reproducing text or other data from a source to a destination. It differs from cut and paste in that the original source text or data does not get deleted or removed. The popularity of this method stems from its simplicity and the ease with which users can move data between various applications visually – without resorting to permanent storage.
> Once one has copied data into the clipboard, one may paste the contents of the clipboard into a destination document.
> The X Window System maintains an additional clipboard containing the most recently selected text; middle-clicking pastes the content of this "selection" clipboard into whatever the pointer is on at that time.
> Most terminal emulators and some other applications support the key combinations Ctrl-Insert to copy and Shift-Insert to paste. This is in accordance with the IBM Common User Access (CUA) standard.
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In reply to Hugh J:
yes sure...work for a bank do you?
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1385/71/1385716500038.png
yes sure...work for a bank do you?
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1385/71/1385716500038.png
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In reply to marsbar:
That Lincolnshire farmers who voted Leave are now starting to worry about who will do their crop picking now that less migrants are (already) coming over here since Brexit, leaves me at something of a loss.
People 'did' talk about that and they were labelled as scaremongers pushing 'Project Fear'... :-|
> Yeah, but no, but, yeah, it's the will of the people innit. Democratic right to vote on shizle.
That Lincolnshire farmers who voted Leave are now starting to worry about who will do their crop picking now that less migrants are (already) coming over here since Brexit, leaves me at something of a loss.
People 'did' talk about that and they were labelled as scaremongers pushing 'Project Fear'... :-|
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In reply to Timmd:
In fairness, I don't think the farmers voted leave. They knew the chances of getting reliable, competent local casual labour were fairly slim.
In fairness, I don't think the farmers voted leave. They knew the chances of getting reliable, competent local casual labour were fairly slim.
In reply to April20th:
Hmmm. You are aware what stormfront.org is all about, aren't you?
> yes sure...work for a bank do you?
Hmmm. You are aware what stormfront.org is all about, aren't you?
In reply to Ridge:
I suspect someone who's username is Hitler's birthday, is more than aware of what stormfront is all about.
> Hmmm. You are aware what stormfront.org is all about, aren't you?
I suspect someone who's username is Hitler's birthday, is more than aware of what stormfront is all about.
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In reply to April20th:
Ah, it's the Jews, if only there was a solution. If you're a troll you're a piece of shit, and if you're for real you're still a piece of shit.
Ah, it's the Jews, if only there was a solution. If you're a troll you're a piece of shit, and if you're for real you're still a piece of shit.
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In reply to Ridge:
The truth and reality i could bring to bare against your lie ridden soul....you could not endure...non here could.
Hide like a worm under a rock feeding on the lie that Britain usa France and all the other jew controlled countries are wonderful places full of freedom and honour
The truth and reality i could bring to bare against your lie ridden soul....you could not endure...non here could.
Hide like a worm under a rock feeding on the lie that Britain usa France and all the other jew controlled countries are wonderful places full of freedom and honour
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In reply to Sir Chasm: Sir Chasm..
Yeah a deep hole of lies you dwell in...apt name
youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk&
Yeah a deep hole of lies you dwell in...apt name
youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk&
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In reply to April20th:
ah well, that didn't last long did it?
banned in 5...4...3...2...1...
byeee... don't rush back.
ah well, that didn't last long did it?
banned in 5...4...3...2...1...
byeee... don't rush back.
In reply to no_more_scotch_eggs:
Spoilsport, it's much easier if people keep the same name rather than previously banned users sliming back in.
Spoilsport, it's much easier if people keep the same name rather than previously banned users sliming back in.
In reply to Sir Chasm:
i agree- i've not reported him, for precisely that reason. but it can't be long before the mods get to see his work, and the second they see that post, he's gone...
edit- its interesting, you get surprisingly little of this sort of naked racism on here. people always go on about unpleasant posters on ukc- well, here's the real thing...
i agree- i've not reported him, for precisely that reason. but it can't be long before the mods get to see his work, and the second they see that post, he's gone...
edit- its interesting, you get surprisingly little of this sort of naked racism on here. people always go on about unpleasant posters on ukc- well, here's the real thing...
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In reply to no_more_scotch_eggs:
Yeah ban.....the truth is too frightening for cowards like you to be exposed to for long...keep inside your safe comfort blanket of brainwashing
Yeah ban.....the truth is too frightening for cowards like you to be exposed to for long...keep inside your safe comfort blanket of brainwashing
In reply to April20th:
Will you flock off with your anti Jewish stuff? Lets put you in a camp or a ghetto - see how you like it.
You'll never find peace while you're full of hate, it's yourself which is the problem.
Bigots never realise that.
> Yeah ban.....the truth is too frightening for cowards like you to be exposed to for long...keep inside your safe comfort blanket of brainwashing
Will you flock off with your anti Jewish stuff? Lets put you in a camp or a ghetto - see how you like it.
You'll never find peace while you're full of hate, it's yourself which is the problem.
Bigots never realise that.
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In reply to April20th:
Very interesting, but you do realise that YouTube videos, Wikipedia quotes and any other stuff you scrape off the internet are not necessarily true?
Very interesting, but you do realise that YouTube videos, Wikipedia quotes and any other stuff you scrape off the internet are not necessarily true?
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In reply to DaveHK:
He missed out :-
" IF this story is correct and ends as a bad as it COULD do for the City of London,"
Sounds to me like they will do a brass plate job in any European base.
He missed out :-
" IF this story is correct and ends as a bad as it COULD do for the City of London,"
Sounds to me like they will do a brass plate job in any European base.
In reply to Timmd:
The goyim have been brainwashed to believe resisting their own oppression/destruction is antisemitic.
I am full of truth....you are full of lies.
You have the problems
The goyim have been brainwashed to believe resisting their own oppression/destruction is antisemitic.
I am full of truth....you are full of lies.
You have the problems
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In reply to April20th:
blah blah sheeple etc etc
makes a change from 9/11 conspiracy bollocks i suppose.
not a good one though.
is there not a rock you should be under?
blah blah sheeple etc etc
makes a change from 9/11 conspiracy bollocks i suppose.
not a good one though.
is there not a rock you should be under?
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In reply to April20th:
Prove it.
On a personal level, I've a Jewish friend ('social justice warrior' vegan hippy) who does care work with children with autism and learning difficulties - is she a part of some kind of Jewish - Zionist conspiracy too?
In what way - if you're wanting to say yes?
How is the everyday Jewish person a part of a conspiracy?
> The goyim have been brainwashed to believe resisting their own oppression/destruction is antisemitic.
> I am full of truth....you are full of lies.
> I am full of truth....you are full of lies.
Prove it.
On a personal level, I've a Jewish friend ('social justice warrior' vegan hippy) who does care work with children with autism and learning difficulties - is she a part of some kind of Jewish - Zionist conspiracy too?
In what way - if you're wanting to say yes?
How is the everyday Jewish person a part of a conspiracy?
Post edited at 00:51
In reply to no_more_scotch_eggs:
Ah you barstard, I was just about to bring that up.
I saw it Live on telly, it's got to be true.
> blah blah sheeple etc etc
> makes a change from 9/11 conspiracy bollocks i suppose.
Ah you barstard, I was just about to bring that up.
I saw it Live on telly, it's got to be true.
In reply to April20th:
Where's the conspiracy? How was Hitler right, and how is Steve Irwin too?
I would hope you have a decent reason for posting things about Hitler being right.
> The goyim have been brainwashed to believe resisting their own oppression/destruction is antisemitic.
> I am full of truth....you are full of lies.
> You have the problems
Where's the conspiracy? How was Hitler right, and how is Steve Irwin too?
I would hope you have a decent reason for posting things about Hitler being right.
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In reply to Lusk:
Check this then. While usa and England were suffering a great depression period of misery after being plundered by jews. Germany under Hitler went from being the poorest country in west europe to the richest in three years. When they stopped paying jews and printed their own money. This was the real reason for the 2nd world war. Hitler freed his people from jewish control and financial plundering. Churchill was given a £40,000 bribe from Rothschild to turn from a jew baiter to a jew slave puppet.
Good luck undermining this statement of fact
Check this then. While usa and England were suffering a great depression period of misery after being plundered by jews. Germany under Hitler went from being the poorest country in west europe to the richest in three years. When they stopped paying jews and printed their own money. This was the real reason for the 2nd world war. Hitler freed his people from jewish control and financial plundering. Churchill was given a £40,000 bribe from Rothschild to turn from a jew baiter to a jew slave puppet.
Good luck undermining this statement of fact
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In reply to April20th:
That can be verified by looking at statistics,
But this is a subjective point of view.
If Rothschild did give this money to Churchill (I'm assuming you've a verifiable source for it which is something more than a youtube video), how does one know that it was a bribe, and for what purpose would it have been?
> Check this then. While usa and England were suffering a great depression period of misery after being plundered by jews. Germany under Hitler went from being the poorest country in west europe to the richest in three years.
That can be verified by looking at statistics,
> When they stopped paying jews and printed their own money. This was the real reason for the 2nd world war. Hitler freed his people from jewish control and financial plundering.
But this is a subjective point of view.
> Churchill was given a £40,000 bribe from Rothschild to turn from a jew baiter to a jew slave puppet.
If Rothschild did give this money to Churchill (I'm assuming you've a verifiable source for it which is something more than a youtube video), how does one know that it was a bribe, and for what purpose would it have been?
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In reply to April20th:
Well, I got a U at O level History and failed miserably on my Uni Economics modules, so I'll have to take your word on your pre WW2 analysis.
Well, I got a U at O level History and failed miserably on my Uni Economics modules, so I'll have to take your word on your pre WW2 analysis.
In reply to April20th:
Everything you post about some kind of Jewish conspiracy, is what led to innocent adults and children being taken to camps and gassed ,after having to live in ghettos and face persecution before being transported and killed.
See here, this is a poster depicting a Jew with a whip towering over the rest of humanity.
http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/173/main/61/616...
Jewish 'children' went to the camps, some of whom ended up seeing their sibling's belongings amongst those form people who had been gassed, and then had to go home and live with their parents after the war, and live with the burden of not telling their parents (while still children) the truth, due to their parents hoping somehow - as parents would- that the child they'd lost was somehow still alive.
Think about the children who went to these camps, who were gassed, or who knew - as children - of their relatives being gassed, and then had to live with these experiences for the rest of their lives.
Hearing an old man talking about seeing his sister's belongings amongst those he was having to sort through, and then keeping that knowledge to himself as a child being back home with his parents, has stuck with my ever since I heard it. If you don't do anything else, just think about how living that reality as a child might be, next time you post something about a conspiracy. He wanted to tell them (as a child would - wanting to unburden himself) but at the same time he couldn't.
Don't forget that you started off a child, we all do because we share the same humanity...
> Check this then. While usa and England were suffering a great depression period of misery after being plundered by jews. Germany under Hitler went from being the poorest country in west europe to the richest in three years. When they stopped paying jews and printed their own money. This was the real reason for the 2nd world war. Hitler freed his people from jewish control and financial plundering. Churchill was given a £40,000 bribe from Rothschild to turn from a jew baiter to a jew slave puppet.
> Good luck undermining this statement of fact
Everything you post about some kind of Jewish conspiracy, is what led to innocent adults and children being taken to camps and gassed ,after having to live in ghettos and face persecution before being transported and killed.
See here, this is a poster depicting a Jew with a whip towering over the rest of humanity.
http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/173/main/61/616...
Jewish 'children' went to the camps, some of whom ended up seeing their sibling's belongings amongst those form people who had been gassed, and then had to go home and live with their parents after the war, and live with the burden of not telling their parents (while still children) the truth, due to their parents hoping somehow - as parents would- that the child they'd lost was somehow still alive.
Think about the children who went to these camps, who were gassed, or who knew - as children - of their relatives being gassed, and then had to live with these experiences for the rest of their lives.
Hearing an old man talking about seeing his sister's belongings amongst those he was having to sort through, and then keeping that knowledge to himself as a child being back home with his parents, has stuck with my ever since I heard it. If you don't do anything else, just think about how living that reality as a child might be, next time you post something about a conspiracy. He wanted to tell them (as a child would - wanting to unburden himself) but at the same time he couldn't.
Don't forget that you started off a child, we all do because we share the same humanity...
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In reply to April20th:
>This was the real reason for the 2nd world war.
Here you go, here's some YouTube truth for ya!
youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0&
>This was the real reason for the 2nd world war.
> Good luck undermining this statement of fact
Here you go, here's some YouTube truth for ya!
youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0&
In reply to April20th:
I've got to post this on here as well, just in case you do get banned, as you won't be able to read anything on "The Pub" forum.
Do you speak Hebrew. I don't. How do you know vhat he is saying are the vords in the subtitles? Besides, it's hardly like those vords vere saying old "Screamer" vas "the GOOD guy". Anyvay, at vorst they are just saying that the Jews veren't as innocent as they vere making out to be.
Just vhere is your head at?
Sure there's some bad guys around. Some are Jewish, some are Christians, some are Muslim, some ideologues, nearly all are demogogues.
Tell me, are you looking forward to the rule of your new hero, President Drumpf? You know him, the moron who's trying to butt in on the "Zionist" oligarchy. The puppet of the ex-KGB director, so obviously put in place by the "Zionists" himself.
Get real, at most this is all about greedy humans just controlling their interests. Do you think your lame hatred of a religious sect is going to change anything? If you think you're gonna bring the "Zionists" down you're gonna need all the help you can get, including help from Jews, Muslims, black people, Indians, Chinese, you know, all of the people you hate.
In fact, have you ever considered this; if your twisted theories are true, how do you actually know you and your lot of closed minded morons haven't been manipulated by the "Zionist" to do exactly what you're doing now? Which is victimising the innocent, dividing societies, increasing hate so that people hate you and not the establishments you claim are controlling everything.
But, when all is said and done, you are a puppet on a string as much as anyone else, being made to dance to the tune of evil, power crazed bigots. Your enlightenment will only come when you start thinking for yourself.
So, SIEG HEIL MOTHERF*CKER. HERE"S THE FINGER !
JUST WAKE UP & GROW UP !
I've got to post this on here as well, just in case you do get banned, as you won't be able to read anything on "The Pub" forum.
Do you speak Hebrew. I don't. How do you know vhat he is saying are the vords in the subtitles? Besides, it's hardly like those vords vere saying old "Screamer" vas "the GOOD guy". Anyvay, at vorst they are just saying that the Jews veren't as innocent as they vere making out to be.
Just vhere is your head at?
Sure there's some bad guys around. Some are Jewish, some are Christians, some are Muslim, some ideologues, nearly all are demogogues.
Tell me, are you looking forward to the rule of your new hero, President Drumpf? You know him, the moron who's trying to butt in on the "Zionist" oligarchy. The puppet of the ex-KGB director, so obviously put in place by the "Zionists" himself.
Get real, at most this is all about greedy humans just controlling their interests. Do you think your lame hatred of a religious sect is going to change anything? If you think you're gonna bring the "Zionists" down you're gonna need all the help you can get, including help from Jews, Muslims, black people, Indians, Chinese, you know, all of the people you hate.
In fact, have you ever considered this; if your twisted theories are true, how do you actually know you and your lot of closed minded morons haven't been manipulated by the "Zionist" to do exactly what you're doing now? Which is victimising the innocent, dividing societies, increasing hate so that people hate you and not the establishments you claim are controlling everything.
But, when all is said and done, you are a puppet on a string as much as anyone else, being made to dance to the tune of evil, power crazed bigots. Your enlightenment will only come when you start thinking for yourself.
So, SIEG HEIL MOTHERF*CKER. HERE"S THE FINGER !
JUST WAKE UP & GROW UP !
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In reply to UKC Mods:
Please, please, please, please, please, don't ban April20th, we'll have far too much fun handing this arse . . . well, his arse!
Please, please, please, please, please, don't ban April20th, we'll have far too much fun handing this arse . . . well, his arse!
In reply to Duncan Bourne:
A smell a troll. And a pretty lame one at that
The date of the user name should have been an indicator!
Saying that, certain people do make it easy for such trolls. It's like bees to honey, just say something slightly controversial and they'll swarm around it...
A smell a troll. And a pretty lame one at that
The date of the user name should have been an indicator!
Saying that, certain people do make it easy for such trolls. It's like bees to honey, just say something slightly controversial and they'll swarm around it...
In reply to FactorXXX:
If you gonna use a metaphor flies would be better than bees.
If you have read some of my recent posts you would know I've been hammering Social Justice Warriors and political correctness, as well as posters with more of a right leaning (I wouldn't give them the epithet "right-wing" though). There are posters on here that are mild trolls on both sides of the divide (I won't list them ), but I've actually got to quite like some of them.
This is in a different league though. This guy, apart from being completely misguided, is perhaps mentally ill and needs to realise that! You just can't walk past this kind of stuff and not say anything.
To paraphrase a great social philosopher of our time, "If he's a troll he's a piece of shit, and if he's for real he's still a piece of shit."
If you gonna use a metaphor flies would be better than bees.
If you have read some of my recent posts you would know I've been hammering Social Justice Warriors and political correctness, as well as posters with more of a right leaning (I wouldn't give them the epithet "right-wing" though). There are posters on here that are mild trolls on both sides of the divide (I won't list them ), but I've actually got to quite like some of them.
This is in a different league though. This guy, apart from being completely misguided, is perhaps mentally ill and needs to realise that! You just can't walk past this kind of stuff and not say anything.
To paraphrase a great social philosopher of our time, "If he's a troll he's a piece of shit, and if he's for real he's still a piece of shit."
In reply to Hugh J:
This is in a different league though. This guy, apart from being completely misguided, is perhaps mentally ill and needs to realise that! You just can't walk past this kind of stuff and not say anything.
Have you checked the date of his User Name?
If so, you'll probably realise he's a Troll..
This is in a different league though. This guy, apart from being completely misguided, is perhaps mentally ill and needs to realise that! You just can't walk past this kind of stuff and not say anything.
Have you checked the date of his User Name?
If so, you'll probably realise he's a Troll..
In reply to FactorXXX:
Hi FactorXXX,
Yes, I know it's significance, I refer you to my first reply to Joseph Goebbels Jnr. at 22:47 on Friday. Once again as Sir Chasm states; "If he's a troll he's a piece of shit, and if he's for real he's still a piece of shit."
Hi FactorXXX,
Yes, I know it's significance, I refer you to my first reply to Joseph Goebbels Jnr. at 22:47 on Friday. Once again as Sir Chasm states; "If he's a troll he's a piece of shit, and if he's for real he's still a piece of shit."
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