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I know that I shall meet my Fate...

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Marc Chrysanthou 09 Dec 2003
Just wondering if anyone has ever had a dream or premonition about their death - particularly a climbing-related death? With apologies to W.B. Yeats ('An Irish Airman Foresees His Death') here is a poem on this theme.

A Solo Climber Foreeses His Death

I know that I shall meet my fate,
Somewhere among the crags above.
Those back at home will think me late,
Until their fears inflame their love.
My ‘country’ is Snowdonia’s peaks,
My ‘countrymen’ the ghostly sheep.
No shattered end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor friends, nor duty bade me climb
No well-thumbed guides, nor cheering crowds;
A lifetime’s seeking of delight
Led to this meeting in the clouds.
I teetered left, becalmed my mind;
The route ahead dispelled my breath;
No way above, no way behind,
Fingers once clasped to Life, touched Death.
virgil 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
dreams about your death aparrently indicate a coming change rather than your iminent demise.
 Adders 09 Dec 2003
In reply to virgil: new beginnings - ie death of an old stage in your life.....

never dreamed of actually dieing tho - sometimes about to then wake up
 Marc C 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Adders: Jenks had a dream the night before he died riding his bike on the Wall of Death. Jenks WHO?!! Jenks, your SON, remember???
Ian 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

thats quite good actually
virgil 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Adders:
it happens to me a lot.
Yorkspud 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Falling swiftly life fell behind
A divers arc, an increasing span.
A greater distance from my kind
And ended up as strawberry jam.
 Allan Thomson 09 Dec 2003
I Like it a lot. Got any more?

Allan
 Rubbishy 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

On a point of note, surely if someone had an accurate premonition of their own death we would now be discussing the matter with them after the fact?

and in return may I humbly proffer:

The boy clung to the icey crag
crying , shaking, bleeding.
The snow came up and froze him in
whilst he wished he wasn't leading.
 Duncan Bourne 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
cracking poem. Good parody
 Duncan Bourne 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Allan Thomson:
here's a little missive of my own. It almost scans

Come death to me advanced in years but not infirmity
And find me topping out on Sloth or Strapadictomy!

Let me have a stroke on some famous gritstone crag
After soloing the crux of some ‘ard Don Whillans crack

Or a sudden fatal seizure whilst breezing Marble Wall
Slap the top, then clutch my chest and dramatically fall

And those who gather round as the ‘copter’s winching me
Will say, “he’s dead but bloody hell
That ain’t bad for NINETY THREE!!”

OP poetsanonymus 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Duncan Bourne:

Ahh poetry sends chills down my spine.

mind if I join you - thanks!!

His body was a broken shell
the sheep moved on Oh christ the smell
the boat had been pushed out too far
his partner running for the car

Oh youth has been so sadly robbed
the grief oh how his mother sobbed
his father lost
My god the cost

now looking down from on a cloud
playing melodic harp out aloud
is our young lad
feeling rather sad


has it moved ya !!!

 Michael Ryan 09 Dec 2003
In reply to John Rushby:
> (In reply to Marc Chrysanthou)

> The boy clung to the icey crag
> crying , shaking, bleeding.
> The snow came up and froze him in
> whilst he wished he wasn't leading.

That reminds me of my first ice lead at Frankenstein cliff in New Hampshire.

For some bazaar reason that I wish to forget I had a tape recorder in my jacket recording myself.....I was in complete fear.

I remember on the second pitch trying to mantle a sloping ledge, and with bad technique....using my knees..with a screw way below me...I thought I was going to die...wishing out loud I was that I be anyplace on earth apart from where I was.

Mick

OP Marc Chrysanthou 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Mick - Rockfax USA: Dare I enquire what in heck you hoped to record whilst climbing an ice-cliff?! A kind of New Age update of Tubular Bells, featuring the sounds of an ice-axe hacking and splintering ice, the sighs of exertion, the scrunch of crampons, the squelch of loosening bowels?????
Nick Alcock 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> the squelch of loosening bowels?????

Ah Tubular Bowels...how very seasonal....

Nick

OP Paul not logged on 09 Dec 2003
In reply to poetsanonymus:

Half a lead, half a lead,
Half a lead onward,
All in the valley of Death
Climbed the RT punter.
"Forward, the Trad Brigade!
"I'll mantle for the break!" he said:
High in the valley of Death
Climbed the RT punter.

"Forward, the Trad Brigade!"
Was this a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the climber knew
Someone had sandbagged:
His not to make reply,
His not to reason why,
His but to do and die:
High in the valley of Death
climbed the RT punter.

No gear to right of him,
No gear to left of him,
No gear in front of him
Breathless and pump'd;
Swearing with slip and smear,
Boldly runout as well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Climbed the RT punter.

Slipped from the route so bare,
Flash'd as he turn'd in air,
Scaring the watchers there,
Charging downwards, while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged past the belay point
Right thro' his line he broke;
Screaming and cussing
Reel'd from the impact stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Not to come back, oh no
Not the RT punter.

Who can his glory fade?
O the mess he made!
All the world sickened.
Honor the climb he made,
Honor the Trad Brigade,
All red socked punters.


OP Marc Chrysanthou 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Steady on Nick, Mick might be onto something here. There must be a lot of folk who'd pay good money to hear our rock stars 'climbing' their desperate routes.

e.g. "Johnny Dawes. Live on The Quarryman" £12.99 available CD/Cassette. Complete with bonus tracks.
OP poetsanonymus 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul not logged on:

Paul - I bow in utter awe to your superior poetic skills

awsome just awsome

OP Paul not logged on 09 Dec 2003
In reply to poetsanonymus:

Thank you! It didn't need much changing, seemed to have the right tone already...
Nick Alcock 09 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

> e.g. "Johnny Dawes. Live on The Quarryman" £12.99 available CD/Cassette. Complete with bonus tracks.

What about:

I was climbing one day
Way hey hey,
'twas an ard VS
you'll never guess
who came from below
in the cool evening glow
but a guy from the west
I guess, you've guessed
he asked for a rope
in a desperate voice
i had no choice
'tho it made me sick
it was Mick the voice from the U of S

Anon
 Offwidth 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Not that I'm complaining but does anyone else wonder why Marc bothers to post so much stuff like this here? Is it a hobby (like collecting fridge magnets), a strange sado-masochistic release, a nervous disorder (like Torrett's syndrome), a calling to prophesise, fishing for adulation,..what's going on Marc?.
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Offwidth: Dunno mate. Got me thinking now.... Just enjoy writing I guess
+ It's very lonely being a lighthouse keeper.
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: Just noticed I got the rhyming sequence of the original wrong. Pedantic, true - but that's the teacher in me! (to Dazman - I don't literally have a teacher IN me - that kind of thing's all been clamped down on these days - the staff room's a much duller place for it though)

I know that I shall meet my fate,
Somewhere among the crags above.
Those back at home will think me late,
Until their fears inflame their love.
My 'country' is Snowdonia's heights,
My 'countrymen' the ghostly sheep.
No shattered end would bring delight
Or cause their muffled hearts to weep.
Nor friends, nor duty bade me climb
No well-thumbed guides, nor cheering crowds;
A lifetime's seeking the sublime
Led to this meeting in the clouds.
I teetered left, becalmed my mind;
The route ahead dispelled my breath;
No way above, no way behind,
Fingers once clasped to Life, touched Death
Clauso 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

I wandered once up to Hen Cloud
That floats on high o'er Staffordshire's hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of toproping imbeciles;
Upon the crag, beneath the trees,
Flailing and thrutching in the breeze.

Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the Milky Way,
They stretch'd in never-ending line
From each and every parking bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
striding out with determined stance.

I geared-up, picked my route, advanced; but they
hogged the sparkling lines in glee:
A trad climber could not but dismay,
In such unethical company:
I gazed and gazed but only thought
"Bastards! My winter training brought to nought.":

For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with displeasure fills,
And curses toproping imbeciles.
 Offwidth 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Enjoying writing is great but publishing here is the strange thing. Or are you going to do a published volume of a collection, like the newspaper columists do. I thought all lighthouses were automated now: you are pretty impressive in your output even compared to the most creative experimental AI.
Paul Saunders 10 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

Absolutely brilliant!!!!
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Offwidth: I would quite like to publish a collection of my surreal stories - complete with cartoons pr illustrations (Denver?), but I like the immediacy of posting stuff here.

Dazman: Excellent!
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Fancy collaborating on a joint project - a climbing version of Paradise Lost?! Lamenting the decline in ethics etc.
 sutty 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

These all need saving in a book, One Mans Mountains part 2?
 Offwidth 10 Dec 2003
In reply to sutty:

Maybe molehills would be a better inclusion in the title.
Clauso 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> Fancy collaborating on a joint project - a climbing version of Paradise Lost?! Lamenting the decline in ethics etc.

Only if I can fit it around my current project. My recent emigration to Dublin has prompted me to read Joyce's Ulysees. This has inspired me to start work on a piece with the working title 'Ya'll Luv Dees'.

Ya'll Luv Dees will go head-to-head with Rockfax and the BMC gritstone guides, and will detail a day in the life of Theo Poldbroom as he attempts to scale 100 grit classics on a busy Saturday in June. Stanage, Froggat, Birchen, the Roaches, and Burbage North will all figure in the chronicle, as will The Millstone, The Fox & Hounds, The Grouse, and several other hostelries as yet to be determined.

Do you fancy helping me out with the research? I need somebody to lead Archangel, Downhill Racer, Paralogism, and Long Tall Sally... We'll also be able to split up, in the hope that one of us tracks down a gorgonzola sandwich somewhere in the Peak.

Whaddya say? I'll give you a cameo role in the finished article. I'm going to have to put my foot down and decline to mention Gorple though.
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: No Gorple, no deal. As for Ulysses, why not The Odyssey - a marathon epic adventure tracing my return from winning the World Climbing Championships and my 10-year struggle to return home - fending off femmes fatales, triumphing over jealous climbing rivals, and climbing on weird crags in exotic locations. I've got a great part for you - as the faithful swineherd who lovingly tends my Nesting the Gear tomb whilst I'm away.
Alison Bond 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:


Once upon some gritstone dreary, I inched my way up, weak and weary
Up a slab so steep and smeary, the famous Toadys Wall
While I fumbled, nearly slipping, suddenly I heard a tapping
As of some one gently rapping, rapping a bolt into the wall.
“Tis some chipper” I muttered “tapping a bolt into the wall –
dropping my rack on the floor


(with apologies to Poe)
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Alison Bond: Crikey! I seem to have stirred a hornet's nest of secret poets!

Here's a variation on Stevie Smith's 'Not Waving But Drowning' for Deep Water Soloists:

Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further up than you thought
And not soaring but falling.

Poor chap, he always loved climbing
And now he's dead
It must have been too hard for him his nerve gave way,
They said.

Oh, no no no, it was too hard always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too high up all my life
And not soaring but falling.
Paul Saunders 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

On the Mountains of the Peaks,
On the great Grey Millstone Quarry,
Big man John Dunne, the mighty,
He the Master of smears, ascending,
On the grey crags of the quarry
Stood erect, and called the climbers,
Called the tribes of rock together.

From his fingers fell the chalk dust,
Leaped into the light of morning,
O'er the precipice plunging downward
Gleamed like #3, the camalot.
And the Big Man, Looking earthward,
With his finger in the mono
Called to climbers far below him,
Saying to them, "Climb it this way!"

From the grey stone of the quarry
With his hand he broke a fragment,
Moulded it into a pipe-head,
Shaped and fashioned it with figures;
From the margin of his harness
Took a gear loop for a pipe-stem,
With its snapgates still upon it;
Filled the pipe with chalk and resin,
But no bloody pof on gritstone;

From the Vale of swampy boulders,
From the Valley of soaring limestone,
From the blocks of Lakeland granite,
From the far-off Slate strewn Mountains,
From the Northern Scottish chop routes
All the tribes beheld the signal,
Saw the distant smoke ascending,
The Pukwana of the Peace-Pipe.


Oh shit what have I started! ;o(((((
Clauso 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:
> (In reply to Marc Chrysanthou)
>
> Oh shit what have I started! ;o(((((

Very good! It's addictive isn't it?

Allow me to humbly present a little ode to an epic on a certain Welsh multipitch route.

Bent double, like old beggars under rucksacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on Tryfan's north ridge we turned out backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Both marched asleep. One had lost his boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. Both went lame, both whined;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of an eagle owl calling softly behind.

Fags! Fags! Quick, boys!--An ecstasy of fumbling
Sucking the noxious fumes sublime,
But hark! someone's yelling out and calling
And shouting "Moutain rescue!" time after time.--
On through the misty rains and thick black night,
I realise it's me!, we go on walking.

In recurring dreams since that fateful plight
I relive the thrutching, flailing, falling.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could place
yourself about the Ogwen Valley, as we were in,
And share the agony of plodding on pace by pace,
your plates of meat, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the curses
Come gargling from our cigarette-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on fingertips and tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To climbers ardent for some multipitch glory,
The old Lie: Grooved Arete? V Diff at best. Go climb there shortly.
francoise 10 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

To all the writers:

This is I love in British culture: the informal use of poetry.

I am printing this thread for my kids!
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to francoise: Bouldering in Woods on a Snowy Evening (based On Robert Frost's Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening)

Whose crags these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To boulder before it starts to snow
The passing cars must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.
I give my chalk-warmed hands a shake
And squeak my boots - so no mistake.
The only other sound's the leap
Of soul to rock and hand on flake.
The crags are lovely, dark and bleak.
But I sense my arms are weak
And to trespass seems a cheek
And to trespass seems a cheek.
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: Or Sonnet to an Anasazi Slipper

Shall I compare thee to a worn PA?
Thou art more sticky and more sensitive:
Rough grit doth scrape and scratch and fray
And other boots last for all too short a date:
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And then even is thy sure friction dimm'd;
And even Stealth from fair sometime declines,
By wear or nature's hazards to thy rubber trimmed.
But thy eternal prowess shall not fade
Nor lose possession of that style thou showest;
Nor shall Boreal brag thou wander'st in his shade,
When after innumerable climbs thy fit doth goest;
So long as men can climb up to 7c
So long lives this and this gives life to thee.

Clauso 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

STOP IT!!! You've distracted me from tending to my owl chicks.

<ahem!> Bouldering Throng - After Spike M.

Oh the bouldering throng
dyno all day long
and they stick to rock like glue.
There's a beany-wearing thing,
and they like to spring
from problem to problem, don't you?
Oh the bouldering gang
on slopers they'll hang
And you just can't blame 'em when they do!
So join the bouldering throng
You just can't go wrong!
Join the beany-wearing ring
you'll look the thing!
Join the bouldering gang
you'll get to hang!

What a fabulous thing to belong,
Is the Prana-clad, crimping throng!!
 Michael Ryan 10 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

These all need publishing in a RT anthology.

Brilliant.

Mick
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Mick - Rockfax USA: A bit of Byron?

So we'll go no more a-bould'ring
So late into the night,
Though the will be ne'er unyielding,
And the urge be still as bright.

For the rock outwears the man,
And cruel Time wears out the best,
And rock athletes themselves must pause,
And seek their well-earned rest.

Though the day was made for climbing,
And the dusk gathers too soon,
You and me'll go no more bould'ring
Nor the likes of Ben Moon.
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
The Arrest:

He sipped at a weak hock and seltzer
As he gazed at the distant crag
Through the remains of his blood stained hands
He rolled his very last fag

To the right and before him lay the ropes
The harness and rack drenched red
As the snow drifted deep all around him
He thought of his faraway bed

‘I want some more hock in my seltzer,
And Robbie, please give me your hand-
Is this the end or beginning?
How can I understand?
 Marc C 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when inner whispers doubt you,
Because years of mental training's taught you to;
If you can lead and not be tired by leading,
Or being second, never criticize,
Or fearing falling, don't give in to failure,
Yet don't deal in idle boasts, nor talk too wise:

If you can smear-and not make slabs your master;
If you can crimp-and not make walls your bane;
If you can lead on Rhyolite and Gritstone
And treat those two sediments just the same;
If you can bear to hear the gear you've put in
Twisted by ropes, then come undone ,
Or watch the bolt you banked your life on, broken,
Shrug your shoulders and just carry on.

If you can make a leap to distant handholds
And by such a dyno risk great loss,
And fall, and start again at your beginnings
And never blame wet holds or slimy moss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To crank long after they've cried 'Enough!',
And to hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hang Tough!"

If you can wear tight lycra and keep your street-cred,
Or pose for mags yet not lose the common touch,
If neither dreams of fame or wealth can faze you,
If all routes count with you, but none too much;
If you can brave the unforgiving mountain
With sixty metres' worth of nylon line,
Yours are the heights and all the honour,
And much more - the title 'climber' will be thine!


Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

There are cracks in the rocks
Where the wires go in
The cracks are small
That's why they make them thin.
Clauso 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

The man stood on the belay ledge
Whence all but he had fled;
The rain that lashed the seashore
Drummed down upon his head.

Yet beautiful and bright he stood,
As born to rule the zawn;
A creature of heroic blood,
A proud, though childlike form.

The rope roll'd up...he would not go
Without his leader's word;
That leader, faint in clouds above,
His voice no longer heard.

He call'd aloud..."Say, leader, say
If yet thy task is done!"
He knew not that the leader lay
Unconscious of his chum.

"Speak, leader!" once again he cried
"If I may yet be gone!"
And but the booming shouts replied,
And fast the world roll'd on.

Upon his prow he held his breath,
And tossed his waving hair,
And looked from that lone post of death,
In still yet brave despair;

And shouted but once more aloud,
"My leader, must I stay?"
While o'er him fast, through cloud and storm
The rope began to fray,

He leapt, his heart a beating wild,
As from upon a high,
Came streaming above the gallant child,
rope tendrils in the sky.

There came a burst of thunder sound...
The man - oh! where was he?
Ask of the winds that far around
With fragments strewed the sea.

With harness, helmet, and rock shoes fair,
That well had borne their part;
But the noblest thing which perished there
Was that young and faithful heart
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

‘Twas on the crags that round our coast
From Sennen to Gurnard span
That I found alone on a piece of stone
An elderly climbing man

His hair was thin, his beard was long,
And thin and long was he,
And I heard this fright on the shore recite,
In a singular minor key:

Oh, I am a second and a leader bold
And a mountaineer top flight
And an ace aid man, and a boulderer
And trad climbing is my delight.

And he shook his fists and tore his hair,
Till I really felt afraid,
For I couldn’t help thinking the man had been drinking,
And so I simply said:

Is your name Ken, by any chance?
Clauso 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
> (In reply to Marc Chrysanthou)
>
> Is your name Ken, by any chance?

Bravo Sir!
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

Come friendly bombs and fall on Stanage
It isn’t fit for climbers now,
There’s top ropers and bouldering
And chalk covers every prow!
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

The climber who has no toes
Had once as many as we;
When they said ‘Some day you may lose them all’;-
He replied, - ‘Not an alpinist like me!’
And he grabbed his axe, and his crampons sharp,
To the Eigerwand in winter he was bound,
A fine ascent he made, but I’m afraid
His toes were never found.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Do not stand near The Sloth and weep,
I am not there, I do not sleep.

I am the chilling wind that blows.
I am the green-streaked slab below.
I am the sunlight on the moor.
I am the fear of a dropped quickdraw.

When you rack up beneath the roof,
I am the energy of youth,
The soaring wing of a curved arete.
The drifting smoke from a cigarette.

Do not stand near The Sloth and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
Do not stand at my grave and bawl.
I am not there, I did not fall.
OP Percy M.C. Shelley 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

I met a climber from Gritstone East land
Who said: Two vast and holdless prows of stone
Stand on the moors. Near them, lies a hand,,
Beside a shattered body, whose bones,
And wrinkled lips, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its owner met a harsh, violent end,
At the hands of a mob who didn’t agree
With one who sought to add holds and nature bend,
With hammer and chisel and a brush of wire -
And chiselled on the rocks these words you’ll see:
"My name is Ossie Mandelson, the Bolt-gun Messiah:
Look upon my climbs, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of those brute-scarred prows, boundless and bare
The lone and level moors stretch far away.
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Percy M.C. Shelley:

Mr J. Climber Dunne, Mr J. Climber Dunne,
Furnish’d and burnish’d by Gritstone sun,
What strenuous routes we climbed after tea
We in the tournament-you before me!

E7, E8, oh, weakness of joy,
The grace of a swallow, the speed of a boy,
With carefullest carelessness, gaily you won.
I am weak from your mantelshelves, J. Climber. Dunne.

Mr J. Climber Dunne, Mr J. Climber Dunne,
How mad I am. Sad I am, glad that you won.
The warm 5.10’s are ripped, I confess,
But my well nourished victor, he loves me no less

The scent of the conifers, the sound of the hawk,
The view from my rock-ledge covered in chalk,
As I struggle with harness and figure of eight,
Oh J. Climber. Dunne. How long must I wait?
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

How did the Devil come? When first attack?
These crags recall lost innocence,
The years fall off and find me climbing back
On moss covered stone and across the cracks
Up this same route, where thirty years ago
My father climbed above me, calm and slow.

I used to fill my hand with sorrel seeds
And shower him from the tops of waterfalls
I used to pull the rope and watch him smile
To make him hurry up those sunny walls
Of granite, grass and ledges, till here
Our route’s end and belay would appear.

How did the Devil come? When first attack?
The crags are still the same, though now I know
Many have destroyed it. Time bring back
The rapturous ignorance of long ago,
The Peace, before the dreadful onslaught starts,
Of unkept promises and broken hearts.

OP Marc Chrysanthou 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Sorry to interrupt you (!) Nick, but do you have the original sources of your poems? We've had Poe, Shelley, Byron, Owen, Frost, Yeats et al, but I'm unfamiliar with yours.
 sutty 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

I can place three of his, the Slough one, the Pobble one and the Miss Hunter Dunne one are all in Comic and Curious Verse I think. It is buried at the back of a pile of books so cannot bring writers to mind apart from Lear. I am familiar with one of the others, may be Housmans Ploughboy.
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Mainly Betjeman, with some help from Milligan (Thin cracks) along the way. Sir W.S. Gilbert for help with "Ken" and some other gentlemen. Hope this helps.

Nick
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Oh, and Lear for "The climber who had no toes"

Nick
 sutty 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Betjeman was the one whos face I could see but his name would not come.
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to sutty:

One of my favourites...

Nick
OP Marc Chrysanthou 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: I knew Betjeman for "Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough" and Edward Lear (my cat's called Pobble!!!)
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

How did the Devil come? Is a killer. Had tears in my eyes doing that one....

Nick
 sutty 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Saved this thread, some really good stuff on it. I suppose there will be more when the inspiration strikes again.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Was tempted to alter this classic, but others have beaten me to it. Quite funny!

http://braden.weblogs.com/poetry/surlyBonds
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

"The Arrest" Is from "The arrest of Oscar Wilde at the Cadogan Hotel " another Betjeman beauty. Feel bad about screwing with it really.... Also early on there's an original piece of shite....

Nick
OP Marc Chrysanthou 10 Dec 2003
In reply to sutty: Nice idea saving the thread sutty, but please come and put us out of our misery - slip something into our cocoa and take us off to a sanatorium BEFORE 'inspiration' strikes again...please...I beg you!
OP Marc Chrysanthou 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Yes, it's surprised me how much reverence one feels for the original poem - but most of the poets are dead and can't sue!!!!
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> (In reply to Nick Alcock) Was tempted to alter this classic, but others have beaten me to it. Quite funny!

Yes. It's already there, Marc.

Nick
Nick Alcock 10 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> but most of the poets are dead and can't sue!!!!

Thank the Lord for that!!!!

Nick

Dead Goat's Society 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
read your luverly poem while listening to the crescendo bit of Hurt by Johnny Cash. Spinely tingley tangley.
OP johncoxmysteriously1 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Offwidth:

One Man's Molehills - now there would be a name for an autobiography!
OP Marc Chrysanthou 11 Dec 2003
In reply to johncoxmysteriously1: Well, better than "One Man's Ron Hill's - A Climbing Memoir of the 70s"!
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Or "One Man's Arseholes" The memoirs of an RT poster.........

Nick
Clauso 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Larkin was obviously a climber too!

They f*ck you up, those who climb trad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they have
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were f*cked up in their turn
By fools despising bolts on routes,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half in one another’s boots.

Man hands on misery to man
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
Boulder, toprope, please yourself
 Dave Garnett 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

To a Coy Buttress

Had we but the weather, and the time,
This stern sequence would be mine.
I would sit down even, do it that way
Or give it best and return another day;
Down by the shaded Churnet side
I shouldst Bunter pebbles find; or by and by
Vital tendons flex and train. I would
pull ten reps before each lap;
And my frustration and ambition hide
Till publication of the Avon guide.

My lactate tolerance should grow
mighty, and my twitch fibres more slow.
An hundred circuits should go to raise
Aerobic fitness, and over many days;
Two hundred pull-ups daily and the rest,
(and results full flaunted in low cut vest)
Structured training to every part,
And a monitor to check my heart.
For, to achieve this well-honed state,
I would have it beat at lower rate.

But at my back I always hear
My spotter's crude and callous jeer;
And all around I only see
Blank and stark impossibility.
No purchase have my fingers found,
Nor pliant mat ease my fall to ground,
Curse echoing strong; then shall others try
That over-brushed rugosity,
And so all my efforts come to nought,
And all high resolve and dreams mere thought.
The gym's a hard and heartless place,
But only those who work find grace.

Now therefore, while some dregs of youth
Remain in my limbs, though scarce enough
And while the leaning wall inspires
Every sinew with at least some fire,
Now let us sport us while we may;

And now, perhaps more like careful sloth,
Than the subtle squirrel of our youth,
Let not languish this slow-chapp'd power.
Let us don our beany, cast off else all
Save scant fleece-lined bag to hold chalk ball;
And tear our knuckles with rough grit
Leap at life or what remains of it .
Thus, though our project may ne'er be done
We may, yet, climb toward the sun.
 Marc C 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Dave Garnett, Dazman et al: Very impressive and ingenious!

I've never done this before, but I really feel the contributions to this thread deserve a round of applause (sound of two hands clapping)
Paul Saunders 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

And they get better I'll have to raise my game before posting anything else...
In reply to Marc C:

Best thread in DTP for a long while. (With the contributors here keeping their liberal fluffiness, while all around are losing theirs and blaming it on Moore.)
 Dave Garnett 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Who'd have thought the pub could be so civilised? Where is it do you think? The Eagle and Child?

Oh, and sorry about the dig at the Avon guide. Glass houses and all that, but it just fitted so nicely!
 Marc C 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Dave Garnett: Not a pub Dave. This is the Senior Common Room of Olde Rockfaxians College.
The pipe smoke gets a bit thick sometimes, but the port and conversation are excellent.
OP Peeping Tom 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: A Bouldering a High

While out a bouldering wild,
MarC stood at the top move like a lost child,
wondering if he had the strength to hang on or make the move,
to land on top was what he had to prove.

When he started out his 3m x 3m x 300mm 13 tog orthopaedic bouldering mat looked massive,
no way he could miss from a high,
now looking down from the top, he fell with FLOP,
What a way to die,
He was suffocating in his luxury mat,
as no one was around to pull him out,
He only had time to shout,
what a Tw*t

He whent down like a sub
Ho he wishes he was down at the pub.
Paul Saunders 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Peeping Tom:

Sorry deleted to correct a typo...

Diary of a Grit Mouse

Here among long ascended classics,
Damp chimmneys, and half-open jam cracks,
Here where the bolter never looks
I work my way through old guide books.
Lean and alone I spend my days
Behind this dreary Peak District haze.
The weather never bothers me,
So here I eat my frugal tea.
Summer and Easter may be great
For limestone granite and for slate,
And so may Whitsun. All the same,
They do not support my meagre frame.
For me the only feast at all
Is Autumn's Friction Festival,
When I can satisfy my want
With smears of joy (just like in "Font").
I climb each gritstone greasy runnel
To burrow through "Helfensteins Struggle".
I scramble up "Appointment with Fear"
And laugh aloud while hanging there.
It is enjoyable to taste
These routes before they go to waste,
But how annoying when one finds
That other folks with simple minds
Come to the Peaks my crags to share
Who have no proper business there.
Two outdoor groups with no desire
To be lead at all, attract my ire.
A rambler (who clearly is a prat)
Comes over to see what I am at.
He says "The Ouzels soon will nest"
"you'd best come down, it's for the best".
This year he blocked access for weeks
(I'd like to kick him "in the Peaks"),
And prosperous men from London way
Come in SUV's and stay all day,
And wearing all the latest gear,
Fill cracks with friends to stave off fear.
A "low traverser", who thinks that I
Am traditional, and climb too High,
Yet somehow doesn't think it wrong
To top rope Great Slab for far too long,
While I, who jam the whole year through,
Must share my crag with climbers who
Except at this time of the year
Not once upon the rock appear.
Within the climbing world I know
Such goings-on should not be so,
For PROPER Climbers only do
What their pure ethics tell them to.
They read their route guides every day
And always, night and morning, train,
And just like me, of gritstone stock,
Worship each week on God's own rock,
But all the same it's strange to me
How very full the crags can be
With BOULDERERS I don't see at all
Except on Tuesday at the wall.

- Apologies to Sir John Betjeman


I'm giving up on The "Climb of Hiawatha" after the start above it's way too long....
 Marc C 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

O what can ail thee, Bulging Arms,
Alone and palely loitering?
The Edge has closed down for the night,
And The Foundry's emptying?

O what can ail thee, Bulging Arms!
So haggard and so woe-begone?
Thy boulderer's' chalkbag's nigh full,
And thy 5.10's still on.

I see the sweat thick on thy brow
With anguish moist and fever dew,
And on thy cheeks a gritstone rash
Fast withereth too.

" I met a climber in The Queen's ,
Full beautiful - a faery's child,
Her hair was long, her foot was light,
And her eyes were wild.

I made a garland for her head,
And bracelets too, from rizla wraps;
She look'd at me as we did eat,
Our warm chip baps. .

I set her on my Honda twin,
And nothing else saw all day long,
For sidelong would she lean, and sing
A gritstone song.

She found me aretes hellish steep,
Roofs so high, and slabs so smooth.
And she promised me her lovely charms -
If I could their worst subdue.

Victorious! She took me to her cave,
And there she lay and sigh'd full sore,
And there I shut her wild wild eyes
With kisses four.

And there she lullèd me asleep,
And there I dream'd - ah! woe betide! -
The cruellest dream I ever dream'd
On the cold hill side.

I saw pale youths in baggy clothes,
Pale boulderers, death-pale were they all;
They cried - "La Belle Dame sans Merci
Hath thee in thrall!"

I saw their starved lips in the gloam,
With horrid warning gapèd wide,
And I awoke and found me here,
On the cold hill side.

And this is why I sojourn here,
Alone and palely loitering,
Though The Edge has shut down for the night,
And The Foundry's emptying."
 Simon Caldwell 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> Best thread in DTP for a long while.

Probably because it's not in DTP
Paul Saunders 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Oh I hope this thread keeps running on...

One of the best in a while... I've been looking up all the originals to see how each poster changed them so, at least there's some reverence for the original for me...
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

The wind was a torrent of darkness upon the gusty trees,
The moon was a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas,
The crag was a ribbon of moonlight looping the purple moor,
And the mountaineer came climbing-
Climbing, climbing-
The mountaineer came climbing, up to the old inn door.

He’d an old flat hat on his forehead, and a woollen scarf at his chin;
He’d a coat of worn out leather, and breeches of torn moleskin.
On his back he carried a rope, he swung an ice axe high,
His eyes stared into the distance, under the jewelled sky.

Up to the inn he clattered and stamped into the pitch black yard,
He tapped with his axe on shutters, but all was locked and barred,
He whistled a tune at the window, and who should be waiting there
But the landlord’s black-eyed daughter,
The beautiful landlord’s daughter, combing her long black hair.


To be continued….


Evil Twin 1 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
Not up to the standard here - my feeble attempt......

Twas chossy and the slimy rock
Did crack and crumble down the route
All fearful was the climber girl
But the leader, resolute

Beware the nasty start, my friend
The polished rock, no grip to get
Beware the offwidth crack and shun
The ominous arête

He took his trusty rope in hand
Long time the manxome line surveyed
He rested on the first good hold
And looked above, dismayed

As if in uffish thought he stood
The extreme route, protection bare
Rose taunting through the holly bush
And threatened, boy beware

Left, right, left, right! He scaled the height
His rubber shoes went ticky tack
He topped out fine, and viewed the line
And went a’scrambling back

And has though climbed the nasty route?
Come to my arms oh beamish boy!
Oh frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
He chortled in his joy

Twas chossy and the slimy rock
Did crack and crumble down the route
All fearful was the climber girl
But the leader, resolute


Paul Saunders 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

Don't do yourself down I looked at that and didn't know where to start...
Red Sonja 11 Dec 2003
In reply to all:

Brilliant, please do more !
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

Not quite sure why it isn't in dtp. As Dave Garnett has said, 'Who'd have thought the pub could be so civilised?'

But I like Mark C's suggestion most - that this is the Senior Common Room of the 'Olde Rockfaxians College'.
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

In the bottom of the old slate quarry, where the rock has been blasted, there is a hole the length of a man’s arm, and a dank pool at the bottom where the rain gathers, and several old cams, which have dropped down. But don’t put your arm down to see, because…

in the bottom of the old slate quarry, where the rock has been blasted, there are holes the length of a man’s arm, and dank pools at the bottom where the rain gathers and old cams and wires, and the skull of a sheep whose mouth gapes like a trap. But don’t put you hand down to see, because…

in the bottom of the old slate quarry, where the rain gathers and the rusting wires and cams and sheep skull that gapes like a trap, there are holes the length of a man’s arm, and in every crevice there are snails and a rotten chalk bag crawling with worms. But don’t put your hand down to see because…

in the bottom of the old slate quarry, where the chalk bag has rotted out there are holes the length of a man’s arm where the cams are trapped and the tangle of wires are laced with sodden leaves and dead snails there is a climber’s arm.
But don’t put your hand down to see, because…

in the bottom of the old slate quarry, where the rock has been blasted, there are deep holes and dank pools where rain gathers, and if you ever put your hand down to see, you can wipe it in the sharp grass till it bleeds, but you’ll never want to eat with it again.
Clauso 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Oh dear! What can the matter be?
Eight o’clock in the morning on Saturday,
MarcC, Dazman, Sloper and JCT

Heading to rock double quick.

They rendezvous in the Lakes at Pillar.
Marc’s tall like Jonathan Miller.
Sloper’s more like a pygmy gorilla,

If pygmy Gorillas exist?

Their gear’s racked up. It’s very expensive.
Their use of nuts and cams is extensive.
As weapons, their hexes would be classed as offensive

And put under some kind of a ban.

They slap on the chalk, but here's a misnomer.
DazMan’s no climber, it's not his persona.
Judes’s a second and leading repels her,

She'd rather leave that to a man.

Chorus:
But it’s their day out.
It’s what it’s all about,

Looking for routes, looking for fun,
A tempting arete breaks them into a run.
They’re in the mood
For a fabulous interlude

Of climbing on up, and abbing on down,
Smearing on slabs, flailing around,
But it’s all alright.
It’s what they do of a Saturday, right?

Oh dear! What can the matter be?
What can that terrible crunching and clatter be?
It’s the clinkered boots of our man Marc 'Retro' C

Thrutching his way up and down.

They hit the crag, and Judey’s demeanour
Reminds you of a loopy hyena.
As she spots a boulder, whose problem intrigues her

And calls for a start from sat down.

Sloper dares a bloke from Surrey called Murray
To lead a desperate chimney in a hurry.
He gets wedged up there. It’s a bit of a worry,

We probably won't see him again?

They’re into the groove now and looking fantastic.
Marc’s attired in rubber and plastic.
Jude’s top's a piece of elastic.

It’s under a heck of a strain.

Chorus:
But it’s their day out.
It’s what it’s all about,

Ticking off routes, and writhing up cracks,
Making rude gestures at topropers backs.
They’re in the mood
For a fabulous interlude
Of laybacking flakes, and hanging off jams,
Getting their ropes caught up in their cams,
And it’s all alright.
It’s what they do of a Saturday, right?

Oh dear! What can the matter be?
What can that terrible howling and barking be?
Tis Gorple and Kirk belaying for Marc you see?

He's just dropped his rack on their heads.

They’ve had a great day, there's no regretting.
It's too dark now to see where they’re getting.
Jude’s bra flies off, how upsetting,

And several people are hurt.

Oh dear, oh dear,
Oh dear, oh dear,

Oh dear! What can the matter be?
What can that shouting, and scuffling, and screaming be?
It’s MarcC, Dazman, Sloper and JCT

Getting chucked out of the pub

With miles to go and no chance of hitching,
MarcC's boots have bust at the stitching,
Sloper laughs and says, "Don't start whinging.

I couldn’t give a bugger. Could you?"
Evil Twin 1 11 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:
Truely brilliant
OP Stu Tyrrell 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: No ones doing any work today then?

Happy Christmas a Merry New Year!

Stu
Evil Twin 1 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Stu Tyrrell:

Something festive??

Away in a mountain
No tent for the night
The little lost climber
Sat huddled in fright

The wolves are a ‘baying
The climber she shakes
Alone and unsheltered
No crying she makes

The stars in the bright sky
Looked down where she lay
The little lost climber
Who’s drifting away

We love thee lost climber
And ask you to stay
Go build a snow shelter
And see another day
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Windy Nights
Robert Louis Stevenson

Whenever Ben Moon’s runners are set,
Whenever the rock is high,
All day long and move by move,
There’s a pause to shake out and dry.
Late in the night when his wires are out,
Why does he boulder and boulder about?
Whenever his spotters are crying aloud,
And it’s past the time for tea,
Down on the headwall, steep and cold,
Another new route goes free.
Down on the boulders he goes, and then
Slaps for the break, again and again.

Evil Twin 1 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Hardly adapted, but one of my old favourites.

Halfway down the crag
Is a rock where I sit
There isn’t any other rock
Quite like it

I’m not at the bottom
I’m not at the top
So this is the rock
Where I always stop

Halfway up the crag
Isn’t up isn’t down
It isn’t on a scary route
It isn’t in the town

All kind of funny thoughts
Go running round my head
It isn’t really anywhere
It’s somewhere else instead
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

Nice

Nick
Clauso 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> Truely brilliant

Shucks. Why, thank you!

I assume that you've read the Victoria Wood original? Now that IS truly brilliant:

http://www2.prestel.co.uk/cello/SaturdayNight.htm
OP Marc Chrysanthou 11 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Brilliant, yes, yes! But, more importanty, I only need another post to take MY thread to the 100 mark - my first ever!!!!!
Clauso 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> Brilliant, yes, yes! But, more importanty, I only need another post to take MY thread to the 100 mark - my first ever!!!!!

Thread counting? You? We can't have you going all JCT on us now, can we?

I'll foil you yet. I'm going to delete all my contributions and knock you back into the 90's.
Evil Twin 1 11 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:
Over 100 messages and..............
40 adapted / plagiarised / improved poems!!
Ian 11 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:
link doesnt work (or am i doing something wrong?)

this is the best thread in a while btw, - a lot of talent around
Kurt 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Ian:

This is NOT mine, but something I found years ago. I don't know the original author, but I've always loved this little bit o' verse. However, I'm sure that by posting it here, someone will slag me for the last line...



Pull the trigger - put it in the crack.
If either cam or crack is bigger, get another off your rack.
If fumbling you should drop that friend
Reach for another, try again.
Should you find no more that size,
Oh shit, you've got to improvise!
Stack two of those, no, three of these.
Getting pumped, starting to grease.
Wedge the big one, oops it's jammed.
Get it together, or soon you're damned.
Loop a sling around that horn
Two more seconds, then you’re airborne.
Zipper, zipper, clackety clack.
Should have climbed bolts
Instead of a crack.
Clauso 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Ian:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> link doesnt work (or am i doing something wrong?)

That's odd. It works okay for me.

Try doing a Google for "Victoria Wood" + "Saturday Night". You'll find some links to the poem that way instead.
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Buckingham Palace
AA Milne.

They’re changing the grades, and I think it’s callous,
V this, Font that, it’s done with malice.
Alice is working on 6c, 7a,
“That’s not a Font grade, No way”
Says Alice.

They’re changing the grades, and I think it’s callous,
Headpointed, toproped, soloed with a mattress.
We saw a young man strapped to a mat,
“See how his Mum has knitted his hat”
Says Alice.

They’re changing the grades, and I think it’s callous,
The rocks are covered in plaster of Paris,
We looked in our book for a clean looking crack,
“They’ve given the guidebook writer the sack”
Says Alice.

They’re changing the grades, and I think it’s callous,
Downgraded routes, it’s a poisoned chalice.
“Do you think Mark Vallance knows all about me?’
“Sure to, dear, but its time for tea”
Says Alice.



Evil Twin 1 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
Made my day Nick :O)
I Love AAMilne
Evil Twin 1 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
Market Square AA Milne

I had quickdraws
Bright new quickdraws
I took my quickdraws
To the peak district fair
I wanted a sports route
A three star sports route
I looked for a sports route
‘Most everywhere

For I went to a crag called Stanage Plantation
(Loads of lovely E grades at stanage plantation)
Have you got a sports route, coz I don’t like E grades
But they hadn’t got a sports route, not anywhere there

I had quickdraws
Bright new quickdraws
I took my quickdraws
To the peak district fair
I did want a sports route
I nice safe sports route
And I looked for a sports route
‘Most everywhere

And I went to a crag which was called Burbage North
(Loads of short trad climbs at Burbage North)
Have you got a sports route, coz I don’t like trad climbs
But they hadn’t got a sports route, not anywhere there

I had quickdraws
Bright new quickdraws
I took my quickdraws
To the peak district fair
I was finding my sports route
I do like sports routes
And I looked for a sports route
‘Most everywhere

I went to a crag which they called Curbar Edge
Lots of routes to solo at Curbar Edge
Could I try a sports route, coz I’m rubbish at soloing
But they hadn’t got a sports route, not anywhere there

I had no gear
No, I hadn’t got no gear
So I didn’t go down to the peak district fair
But I walked to the Quarry
The old crumbly quarry
And I saw sports routes
‘Most everywhere!!

So I’m sorry for the people who like to go soloing
I’m sorry for the people who climb short trad routes
I’m sorry for the people who climb scary E grades
Coz they haven’t got sports routes, not anywhere there!

(the contents of this poem do not necessarily represent the views of the author!)
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

Lovely

Nick
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Stopping by (Rocks) on a Snowy Evening
Robert Frost


Whose rocks these are I think I know
His house is in the village, though;
He will not see me climbing here
To watch his rocks fill up with snow

My faithful dog must think it queer
To stop without a pub with fire near
Between the rocks and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.

He gives a stick a gentle shake
To ask if there is some mistake
As on the slab the snow slides down
And ice glints off the finger flake.

The rocks are lovely, dark and deep
But I have promises to keep
And moves to make before I sleep,
And moves to make before I sleep.

In reply to Nick Alcock:

Wonderful, Nick. Your 'Changing the grades and I think it's callous' is perhaps the best so far.
 Jus 11 Dec 2003
There's enough here to keep me reading for hours, it's all great stuff, people.

thanks all
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Thanks Gordon. It's surprising what goes through your mind when you're out walking the dog. Parody however, is I think a very fine line to tread... (Hope Mr Dunne doesn't see my "homage").....

Nick
OP Marc W.B. Chrysanthou 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Yeats' 'Who Goes With Fergus?'

Who will go climb with Fergus now,
And hold his rope on Javelin Blade,
And glance upon Cwm Idwal’s shore?
Young man, lift up your furrowed brow,
And pay out the rope - once safe belayed,
Until the rope runs out no more.

And no more turn aside and brood
Upon his subtle mastery;
For Fergus rules the granite scars,
And rules the sky as red as blood,
And the white quartz of the loose scree
And all dishevelled wandering stars.

Paul Saunders 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Ah come on... he'd love it!
OP Marc Chrysanthou 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders: No real changes here - William Carlos Williams' 'This is just to say':

I have eaten
the plums
that were in
your rucksack

and which
you were probably
saving
for the summit

Forgive me
they were delicious
so sweet
and so cold
OP Marc Chrysanthou 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: A bit of Blake?

O Rope thou art sick
The invisible tear
Begun with a knife
By a scowling boy.

Has found out thy core
Of perlon joy
And his dark secret gash
Does thy life destroy.
 Dave Garnett 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

With abject apologies to Walter de la Mare

The Watchers

'OK, watch me here' said the climber,
Turning to his task once more;
While his dog wandered off hunting rabbits
In the dusk falling over the tor:
And a bird flew out of the chimney,
Above the climber's head
And he drove in the jams again a second time;
'Definitely this time' he said.
But no responded to the Climber,
No second on that heath-ringed hill
Looked up and tended any sturdy line
While he hung, flexed, yet still.
But only a host of phantom watchers
That gathered beneath him then:
Stood watching in the failing of the daylight
With indifference to the fate of men:
Stood thronging the faint footholds in the dark there
And those quiet slabs and walls,
Alert now to the confidence shaken
And the nervous Climber's call.

And he felt now the start of dread weakness,
And knew that his sinews must try,
While his dog returned impatient,
'Neath the blackening sky;
For he suddenly pulled once more, even
Harder, and lifted his head:
'It's OK, I know I can do this,
And I'm on toprope' he said.
Never the least stir made the watchers
Though every move he made
Felt unequal to the sketchiness of that steep wall
To that one man, now afraid
Ay, they heard his foot roll off the step-up
And the sound of skin grasping at stone,
And how the silence surged softly backward,
When the plunging fall was done.
In reply to Nick Alcock:

I started to do a parody on e e cummings, but as the content is just so sincere, I gave up after a while, not wanting to debase it. e.g.:

as freedom is a breakfastfood
or truth can live with right and wrong ..
etc.

(Larkin, though! Someone's already done 'They f*ck you up' superbly)
Nick Alcock 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

No changes here, it says it all....

A Cliff Dwelling
Robert Frost

There sandy seems the golden sky
And golden seems the sandy plain.
No habitation meets the eye
Unless in the horizon rim,
Some halfway up the limestone wall,
That spot of black is not a stain
Or shadow, but a cavern hole,
Where someone used to climb and crawl
To rest from his besetting fears.
I see the callus on his soul
The disappearing last of him
And of his race starvation slim,
Oh years ago - ten thousand years.
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Once I'm sure there's no one climbing
I step inside, letting the door thud shut.
Another climbing wall: mats, walls, and overhangs,
And little holds; sprawlings of boulderers, pent
On the future, amateurish now; some roofs and stuff
Up at the o'erhanging end; the small, neat climbing shop:
And a tense, musty, musclebound silence,
Brewed Squawk knows how recently. Ron-Hill-less, I take off
My cycle-clips in awkward reverence.
Paul Saunders 11 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Few changes to a beautiful poem... (Rupert Brooke)

The Voice (on the crags)

Safe in the magic of the crag
I climbed, above the dying light.
Faint in the pale high solitudes,
Of rock cleansed with rain and veiled by night,

Silver and blue and green were showing.
And the dark grew darker still;
And birds were hushed; and peace was growing;
And quietness crept up the hill;

And no wind was blowing

And I knew
That this was the hour of knowing,
And the night and the moves and you
Were one together, and I should find
Soon in the silence the hidden key
Of all that had hurt and puzzled me -- -
Why you were you, and the night was kind,
And the rock was part of the heart of me.

And there I clung breathlessly,
Alone; and slowly the holy three,
The three that I loved, together grew
One, in the hour of knowing,
Night, and the climb, and you -- ---

And suddenly
There was an uproar above the route,

The noise of a fool in mock distress,
Crashing and laughing and blindly going,
Of ignorant feet and a clanging hex,
And a Voice profaning the solitudes.

The spell was broken, the key denied me
And at length your flat clear voice beside me
Mouthed cheerful clear flat platitudes.

You came and quacked above me on the crag.
You said, "The view from here is very good!"
You said, "It's nice to be alone a bit!"
And, "How the days are drawing out!" you said.
You said, "The sunset's pretty, isn't it?"

* * * * *

By God! I wish -- - I wish that you were dead!
sloper 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:


I could not clip, I dared not lob,
therfore I chipped to do the job,
but now my acts have proved undue
and I must face the men I knew
what tales shall serve me here among
mine angry and defrauded young.
 Dave Garnett 12 Dec 2003
In reply to sloper:

Why, Sloper, you do have a sensitive side!
Nick Alcock 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Dave Garnett:

Lewis Carroll

‘You are old, Father William,’ the young man said,
‘And your Ron Hills are so passé;
And what’s that thing you’ve got on your head-
Do you think, at your age, it looks fey?’

‘In my youth,’ Father William replied to his son,
‘I climbed every route in the Pass;
From Cenotaph Corner to Route Number One,
Even though they were covered in grass.’

‘You are old’ said the youth, ‘as I mentioned before,
And have grown most uncommonly fat;
Yet you swung on that jug twenty foot from the floor-
Pray, what is the reason for that?’

‘In my youth,’ said the sage, as he shook his grey locks,
‘Our boots were not very sticky,
I climbed the hardest routes in my socks-
Try it yourself, it’s quite tricky.’

‘You are old,’ said the youth, ‘one would hardly suppose
That your balance was as steady as ever;
Yet in the rain, you soloed the Nose-
What made you so awfully clever?’

‘In my youth, said his father, ‘I climbed all right
With only slings and stones for protection,
And most of the routes I climbed on sight,
In the end I achieved perfection.’

‘You are old.’ Said the youth, ‘and your arms are too weak,
For anything tougher than drinking;
Yet last year you ticked most of the Peak,
Please let me in on your thinking?’

‘I have answered three questions, and that is enough,’
Said his father, ‘My advice isn’t free!
Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff?
It’s like a meeting at the BMC!’




OP Marc Chrysanthou 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Dave Garnett: Sloper sensitive? I thought everyone knew his cynical right-wing persona camouflaged his inner child - a shy Keats-reading youth, composing sonnets to shepherdesses and skylarks as he acts out the Heathcliff-Cathy meeting on the moor (using any hapless sheep as a stand-in for Cathy).
 withey 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

I'm pretty sure that if I try and go through the Kumbhu Icefall, then I'm gonna die there.
 Marc C 12 Dec 2003
In reply to withey: Like Lennon and McCartney's poem:

(sung to the tune of Ticket to Ride)

I think I'll die in a crevasse
I think it's today...yeah
Or maybe some avalanche
Or ice that gives way

I've got a vision I'll die
I've got a vision I'll die-ie-ie
I've got a vision I'll die
And I so scared.
 Marc C 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: AE Housman's 'Loveliest of Trees' for cowardly climbers!

Wobbliest of knees, my left knee now
As I approach the holdless prow,
And the sweat pours from my hide
As my boot begins to slide.

Now I'm threescore years and ten,
Boldness will not come again,
And if courage wasn't there before,
I'll never feel the lion's roar.

And since to lead routes so smooth-hewn
Takes raw nerve and va-va-voom,
About the High Peak I will go
To SEE the climbs I'll never know.








sloper 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: T+You bastard, I was thinking of bowdlerisin ghtis last night.

As for the nknees how true, how true,

as they say sic transit, call the AA
OP Marc Chrysanthou 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: Blake's 'Poison Tree'

I was angry with my Friend:
I scoured my rack, my wrath did end.
I was angry with my pro;
I told it not, my wrath did grow.

And I water'd it in fears,
With my sweat and with my tears;
And it gleamed a steely smile
And mocked me with deceitful wiles.

And it rocked both left and right,
Till it loosed and took to flight;
And my pro began to shine,
For it knew that Death was mine,

And demon-like my strength it stole
Till my last gear ripped from a hole:
And later it was glad to see
My corpse outstretch'd upon the scree.



OP Marc Chrysanthou 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: Bit Stephen King/Twilight Zone that last one!

cue short story about an 'evil' piece of pro.
Nick Alcock 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

When I was very young,
I climbed in the sun.
Then I learnt one hard day
That It’s an unforgiving way
To find a thing that
You enjoy
That leaves a friend without a life.

We repeated a climb
Maybe a second ascent
I led it, although, I made use of a peg
My friend came up
But grabbed a block
Which tragically came away.

There wasn’t a sound as he went down
As my belay went tight
Then I fell down as the rope ran through
My hands.

After some time, life came back,
We both hung on my belay,
My friend had fallen the whole rope length through,
And had run through my hands,
I could see the white bones, beneath the pulp,
And my mate he hung just free.

He was one hundred foot above the ground,
I was twenty foot down, both on the same piece of rope.
Both injured, no way up, or down.

Some guys on the crag, called the rescue
By that time we had got ourselves down,
We both ended up in Portmadoc
Hospital, (not the town.)







 Allan Thomson 12 Dec 2003
Apologies to no-one, for this is an attemt at a poem of my own devising. See if you can spot anything.

Rope, bag, harness and cams,
On the climber as he jams.
Climbing both hard and fast,
Killing pain, is gone and past.
Clawing, grasping for each hold,
Limbs unfeeling of the cold.
Intense, focused, deep in thought,
Mind and body together brought.
Belaying partner below stand,
Intent, concentrate rope in hand.
Nothing from the task at hand to sway,
Gifted prodigies indeed at play.

OP Marc Larkin Chrysanthou 12 Dec 2003
In reply to Allan Thomson: Your own?! Don't be outrageous, man. That's a direct ripoff of Sir Percy Mallander's "Madrigal for Gay Shepherd Lads" (1583)

Here's a real original!

Nesting the Gear -

Store all the chocks, and the Franklin Drop Zone,
Prevent the krabs from rusting, wrap them in foam.
Silence reigns on the edges, fingers too numb,
Bring out the photos, let the memories come.

Let hardier climbers to the ice-cliffs head
Scrabbling up gullies as this ‘tiger’ lies in bed.
Put a pull-up bar in the garage or in the attic above
Let the cagouled morons don their Dachstein gloves.

It was my Gritstone East, my Gritstone West,
My play after work, my Sunday test
My High, my Rocktalk, my beer, my song.
I thought summer would last forever – I was wrong.

The guidebooks are not wanted now – rest every one.
Pack up the ropes, now the season’s done.
Pore over the videos, and train on the wood.
Let the project patiently wait until the daffodils bud.


Nick Alcock 13 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Larkin Chrysanthou:

Stop all the clocks. Lovely....

Nick
OP Marc Poet Laureate Chrysanthou 13 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Anyone want to volunteer for a variation of Keats' "Ode to a Nightingale"? I have in mind an epic camping trip entitled "Ode to a Night in a Gale".....
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Poet Laureate Chrysanthou:

You start, and I'll finish?

Nick
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Poet Laureate Chrysanthou:

It's probably best that I let you know before 'tongues start wagging'
That last night my computer was involved in what I can only assume, was an alcohol fuelled declaration of love for a Ms. Dinkypen. The standard of verse was, as you would expect, quite mechanical, and the spelling atrocious.

When the said Ms. Dinkypen (nice name, don't you think?) brought this regretable incident to my attention, I immediately ran the good Dr. Norton's Disk Doctor. I also gave the laptop a very stern talking to.

I hope this will have gone some way to repair the inevitable damage which, no doubt, will have been incurred.

I understand that Ms. Dinkypen (quite charming, wouldn't you say?) Will be communicating with me, in no uncertain terms, on this Sunday evening.

Given all of the above 'trouble' I find the muse has left me somewhat. I wonder whether you know of a sober laptop, suitable for a striving Bard?

Nicholas.

OP Marc Chrysanthou 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Why must we poets suffer so at the hands of cruel Love? And yet, from the forest of our tortured anguish great art leaps forth like a wild torrent of unrequited passion! O Muse, take me where thou wilt!

BTW I have the first 2 lines (not much I know, but it's a tricky poem to 'improve'!)

ODE TO A NIGHT IN A GALE
"My tent shakes, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, from all the cider that I’ve drunk..."

 Allan Thomson 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Larkin Chrysanthou:
> (In reply to Allan Thomson) Your own?! Don't be outrageous, man. That's a direct ripoff of Sir Percy Mallander's "Madrigal for Gay Shepherd Lads" (1583)

LOl. It is actually of my own devising, but have you had a look at the first letters of each sentence? Read them downwards.
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> (In reply to Nick Alcock) Why must we poets suffer so at the hands of cruel Love?

Why Oh why, indeed?...

> ODE TO A NIGHT IN A GALE
> "My tent shakes, and a drowsy numbness pains
> My sense, from all the cider that I’ve drunk..."

I will of course will strive to add some lines to your excellent opening...

Nicholas

 Marc C 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Allan Thomson: That is very clever Allan! Unfortunately, you may have added more misery to an activity that was already bordering on obsessive - I refer, of course, to the poetry writing obsession. That was bad enough, but now I've spent 2 hours trying to 'adapt' Milton's Paradise Lost so that the first letters of every line spell out the names of all the Munros, and the last letters of every line spell out the names of all the climbs in Rockfax Grit East. Devilishly difficult......

But, hey ho, back to work I go!
 Allan Thomson 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> (In reply to Nick Alcock) Why must we poets suffer so at the hands of cruel Love? And yet, from the forest of our tortured anguish great art leaps forth like a wild torrent of unrequited passion! O Muse, take me where thou wilt!


Angst ridden poems are the best sort of poems!!!!

 Marc C 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Allan Thomson: Certainly some great poems on the themes of depression - e.g. John Clare's "I Am", Shelley's "Stanzas written in Dejection near Naples" - and unrequited love - Yeats' "When you are old and gray" - and lost love - Hardy's "After a Journey", and, of course, "Greensleeves".
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Oh fellow bard. I feel at present, given the circumstances aforsaid, that "An Ode To A Night in Jail" may be more appropriate.

I will, of course, continue to work to your original title....

Nicholas
 Allan Thomson 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Why? Was she too young?
 Marc C 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Allan Thomson: Steady on, a fellow poet is suffering! At least he's not working on Ode to a Night in Wales (a B&B in Aberystwyth on a wet Sunday really would depress him!).

Sorry to hear about your travails, Nick. Maybe I should have suggested something lighter?
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

So Far...

ODE TO A NIGHT IN A GALE
"My tent shakes, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, from all the cider that I’ve drunk..."
My mind is in turmoil about the drains,
One minute past, and I’ll be sunk:
‘Tis my bladder, not my happy lot,
To leave the tent and all happiness-

(I’m exhausted)-Over to you Mark

Nick

 Marc C 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: You bastard! I was saving myself for the "Thou wast not born for death, immortal bird!" stanza later on!!!

Speaking of poetry, I think I had a "Radio 4 Near Death Experience" a few moments ago. I'd just been on my attic climbing wall, ran a bath, turned the radio on, got in the bath, and promptly dozed off. I came to to the sounds of bamboo flute music, and people with Lancashire and Yorkshire accents droning on about such esoterica as bird droppings on church towers and fishmarket blood on herring gulls' bellies. When I'd fully regained my wits, I became aware that this was a poetry programme about the Northern Chapter of the British Haiku Society. How very bizarre! The secretary's a civil servant from Prston and the expert on the trendy one-line Haiku is an IT person from Sheffield. Apparently, they have a Haiku HIke every August Bank Holiday.

And, there was I, for a moment, thinking I'd died and crossed over into another world!
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Ahh. A radio 4 moment I missed while walking my dog, and musing on the "Wet tent " experience...

There are a few stanzas to go before we reach "Thou wast not born for death, immortal bird... I will, therefore endeavour to comlete the first....

Nicholas
 Marc C 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Please don't mention the Wet Tent Experience. I'm sure every man has had one. Mine was a long time ago. My scoutmaster seemed such a decent chap - his invitation - "Marc, your tent's leaking; why don't you come and sleep in mine?" - sounded like a genuine offer at the time....... My mother was furious - my woggle (that she'd scrimped to buy me) was twisted beyond all recognition.
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Yes, reminds me of the incident with Akela and Ka the snake woman, on annual camp in the Trossachs...
It left scars, that even now are a burden.

Nick
dinkypen 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Tell me about it, you poor soul... I may help to ease this dreadful burden that you have borne so manfully for so long....
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to dinkypen:
> (In reply to Nick Alcock)
>
> Tell me about it, you poor soul... I may help to ease this dreadful burden that you have borne so manfully for so long....

Oh...If only you could....

Nicholas

Meg 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

In Sheffield town did Jerry M
A stately pleasure dome decree
Where Alf, a hopeful climber, can
Traverse walls measureless to man
At grades up to 8c.
So twice ten yards of old waste ground
With walls and caff were girdled round.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Meg: Ah, Coleridge! Any more ?
 Tiggs 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

(An excerpt - aknowledging Sir Philip Sydney)

My true chum belays me, and I belay him,
By just exchange, one for the other given.
He leads, I second, at times it can be grim ,
There never was a better bargain driven.
The trust we share keeps me and him in one,
Our faith, our thoughts and senses guide;
OP Marc Chrysanthou 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Tiggs: Ah, "My true love hath my heart..."
Welcome to the Not Quite Dead Poets Society!

For your next assignment - successful completion of wghich will gain you admission to the hallowed sanctum of the Senior Common Room of the Olde Rockfaxians College, please let me have (by the end of the week) a climbing version of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner - perhaps, The Crime of the Flagrant Toproper???!!
OP Marc Chrysanthou 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: BTW There are no women currently in the SCR of ORC. Of course, we allow women in -but only if they're carrying a tray of drinks, or cleaning (Dazman has a cleaner in specially to dust his owls), or they've been specially ordered by Nick for personal services (he's insatiable).
 Tiggs 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

I was musing on something based on Dylan Thomas 'Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night'. EvilTwin1 is a woman.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Tiggs: So he fooled you too did he? Certainly fooled me! (took me ages to live the whole sorry episode down - the chaps ribbed me mercilessly).
OP Marc Chrysanthou 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: A sort of animal rights protest poem about a pet rabbit vcalled Gentle?

Do not tow Gentle to that great height,
Old hares should eat hay at close of day,
Caged! caged! Not climbing like a kite...
OP Marc C's Mum 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: I'm so prousd of you son. I never dreamed - when you were hauled up before the scgool authorities for stabbing the Tuck Shop assistant for running out of Wagon Wheels - that one day you'd have a thread on Rocktalk with nearly 200 posts. I'm so proud....
Nick Alcock 14 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Phew. This is a tough one (as my old poetry teacher Mr. Piles used to say)

However, I have struggled and burnt some "midnight oil" and I offer the following stanzas for your perusal:

I look forward to your input.

ODE TO A NIGHT IN A GALE
"My tent shakes, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, from all the cider that I’ve drunk..."
My mind is in turmoil about the drains,
One minute past, and I’ll be sunk:
‘Tis my bladder, not my happy lot,
To leave the tent and all happiness-
To venture to that Dryad of the trees,
In some malodious plot ,
Of dark and gloom, and sheep shit numberless
Without a torch in winter, ill at ease.

O, for a down jacket! That hath been
Warmed a long age by love within my berth,
Smelling of perfume and wintergreen,
Deep Heat, Chanel , and sunburnt mirth!
O for ablutions from the warm south,
Full of true Andrex and Nivea cream,
With hot running water and a shower trim,
And a brush to clean my mouth,
That I may pee, and leave the world unseen
And fade back to my tent in forest dim.

Nick (I think the next stanza may be yours, feel free...)
gizmo 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

What life is this if in our prime,
we have no time to walk or climb.

No time to traipse across the hill,
forgetting all about that bill.

No time to tick in our Rockfax,
all of the classic gritstone cracks.

No time to crimp or fingerlock,
upon our favourite type of rock.

No time to quell with a quick smear,
that momentary sense of fear.

No time to sit and chat with friends,
in the pub when the daylight ends.

A poor life this, if in our prime,
we have no time to walk or climb.
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to gizmo:

Fine stuff Mr. Gizmo. More, please.

Nick
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Paul Simon


A Man climbs up a route
He says why is it soft in the middle now
Why am I soft in the middle
The rest of the route is so hard
I need a photo-opportunity
I want a shot in the magazines
Don’t want to end up in a guidebook
In a guidebook, graveyard
Headpointer Headpointer
Bolts in the moonlight
Far away from my well-lit crag
Mr Beerbelly Beerbelly
Get these cams away from me
You know I don’t find this stuff amusing any more

If you’ll be my belayguard
I can be your long lost pal,
And Dinky when you call me
you can call me Al.

A man climbs up a rock
He says why am I short of protection
Got a short span of protection
And wo ,my run out is long
Where’s my girl and dog
What if I die here
Who’ll be my role model
Now that my role model is
Gone ,Gone,
He ducked back down the
Crack, with some dodgy, dodgy,tatty kind of gear
All along there were incidents and accidents
There was bad gear and nasty placements

If you’ll be my belayguard
I can be your long lost pal,
And Dinky when you call me
you can call me Al.

A man climbs a piece of rock
It’s a rock in a strange world
Maybe It’s a rock in the third world
He doesn’t speak the language
He knows nothing of it
He’s a foreign man
He is surrounded by the rock
The rock
Cattle in the marketplace
Scatterlings and orphanages
He looks around, around,
He sees angels in the rock formations
Spinning in infinity
He says Amen! And Hallelujah!

If you’ll be my belayguard
I can be your long lost pal,
And Dinky when you call me
you can call me Al.

Nickers


In reply to Nick Alcock:

Wow, Nick, that is just brill!
cleddy 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Probably been done lots of times and in far better style than this but I can cope with the derision....

Choose climbing. Choose a crag. Choose a mountain. Choose a boulder. Choose a f*cking big hex, choose friends, nuts, carabiners and nice shiny rocks. Choose Limestone, Yorkshire Grit and Cornish Granite. Choose toproping at the indoor wall. Choose a first lead. Choose your belayer. Choose a t-shirt and matching beanie. Choose down the pub on Rocktalk and read the range of f*cking drivel. Choose RT picnics and wondering who the f*ck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on your bouldering mat watching talented, mind blowing climbers, stuffing f*cking junk food in your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, non-climbing brats you spawned to replace yourself.

Choose your future.

Choose climbing.
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to cleddy:

The best choice, Cleddy.

Nick
dinkypen 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Paul Simon's got nothing on you, Nickers.... But why would I want to call you Al, even if he has got a nice bum?!
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to dinkypen:

Because Nick doesn't rhyme with Pal. Silly.

Nickers
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: 'You can call me Al' = superb.

I'll have a go at the next bit of 'nightingale', though, 'had I world enough and time' I'd love to do The Crime of the Flagrant Toproper (to the Rime of the Ancient Mariner)!
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

> I'll have a go at the next bit of 'nightingale', though, 'had I world enough and time' I'd love to do The Crime of the Flagrant Toproper (to the Rime of the Ancient Mariner)!

That would certainly be a "tour de force".

Good luck with " Fade far away, dissolve etc"....

NickersThePoet

 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Verse 3 (we'll put them all together when we've finished!)

Fade far away, dissolve, and quite forget
What those cosy in the pubs have never known,
The weariness, the stench, and tummy upset
Here, where I sit and hear my fellow climbers groan;
Where socks grow stale, and optimism dies,
Where but to think is to be full of sorrow
And hollow-eyed despairs;
Where Beauty shows off her lustrous thighs
From a Playboy that we chanced to borrow.
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: Shows how sad and addicted I've become: I tried to look up 'My tent shakes' rather than 'My heart aches' in the Index of First Lines!!!!
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

First class, Marc. And," Away! away".......?

N
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

I know. Kind of gets to you.... aaargggg. Poetry ruined for ever....

Nickers
Sam - The Orange House 15 Dec 2003
In reply to cleddy:

Cleddy - do you mind if I put this one the wall at The Orange House, we have a fabby collection from you guys already, they make brill reading on the walls in the large bunk room.

Ta Sam Orange House
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Yes, I'm working on it!

In reply to Sam: We members of the Senior Common Room, whilst not wishing to appear greedy, would advise
you that any publication or performance of any of our poems will incur copyright fees. We feel that £5 per rendition and £50 for publication (in any form - toilet walls, whatever) is fair.
Howard 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

A cautionary tale:


The chief defect of Henry King
Was, he could not climb anything
No matter what grade route he found
He simply could not leave the ground
Or if he did, he quickly fell
And all around would hear him yell
Until one day he found a cliff
(Whose hardest route was just V Diff)
Of well-protected, friendly grit
Oh, how he longed to climb on it!
And so one day he took his sack,
His climbing rope, his boots, his rack,
His sandwiches, his little flask,
He was quite ready for the task
But just to make his heart feel gladder
He took along a little ladder

The other climbers watched, amazed
As Henry King his ladder raised
And, while a deathly silence hung
He climbed the ladder, rung by rung
Alas! his plan it was a flop
The ladder didn’t reach the top!
He quickly felt the ladder’s lack
Of height, and wedged into crack
A Friend (it was a number four)
Then swiftly placed a couple more
This gear so highly raised his hope
He quite forgot to clip the rope!
But all oblivious to this state
And unaware what was his fate
He laybacked off a sharp arete
(A better hold you could not get)
And for the first, and only, time
Henry King began to climb!

He handjammed boldly up a crack
A chimney led with foot and back
Though tension heightened every sense
He was so full of confidence
But as he dyno’d for the top
A voice below him shouted, “Stop!
You fool, you haven’t clipped your gear!”
And Henry’s heart went cold with fear
He very soon began to quake
And both his knees began to shake
‘Til from his holds he nearly slipped
He was most definitely gripped!
Then, just as he was losing hope
Somebody lowered him a rope
And would have saved him from his fate
If they had not been just too late
For Henry’s feet slipped from the ledge
His fingers uncurled from the edge
And with a most blood-curdling yell
Henry to the bottom fell
Almost from the very top
And landed with a sort of “Plop!”

All you who listen to my tale
Be sure you never, ever fail
To clip your gear when you do climb
Be sure you do it every time!
But there is one more lesson clear
For climbers with the sense to hear:
Always keep tight hold of grit
For fear of ending in the ...
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: Verse 4!

All day! All day! Without a cup of tea,
Nor Walkman nor e'en a pack of cards
Trapped like a clueless thing of Destiny
Who my dull brain perplexes and retards:
Already hungry! Endless is the night
Unhaply, none of us has a mobile phone,
So there's no chips or curried takeaways;
And here there is no light
Save what from heaven is with the breezes blown
Through endless driving rain and choking, foggy haze
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard: Good stuff and educational too! I'm going to read that out to my scout pack before I take them climbing next week.
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard:

In my opinion, anyone venturing on gritstone should learn that by heart....

Nick
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Do you want me to continue Nick? I don't want to steal it all from you, but I've practically done " I cannot see what flowers.."
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

No you go ahead Marc. You're on a roll. I'm toying with a few ideas at the moment....

Nickers
Evil Twin 1 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

A.A.Milne is going to be turning in his grave! I'm addicted!

Little boy kneels at the foot of the crag
Drops on the ground his little rope bag
Hush, hush! Whisper who dares
Another climber is saying his prayers

God bless gritstone. I know that’s right
So much fun, I could climb all night
The cracks are so cracky, and the grit’s so grit!
Oh, God bless Limestone, it’s not that sh*t

If I open my fingers a little bit more
I can see my gear bag, just there on the floor
It’s a beautiful gear bag, but it hasn’t a zip
Oh, God bless my quickdraws, may they always clip

Oh, thank you God for a beautiful day
And what was the other I had to say
I said ‘Bless Limestone’, so what can it be?
Oh! Now I remember, God bless me.

Little boy kneels at the foot of the crag
Drops on the ground his little rope bag
Hush, hush! Whisper who dares
Another climber is saying his prayers

 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1: Just checked your profile. So, Tiggs was right, you AREN'T a man! You certainly fooled us all - especially Dazman - who'll be mightily embarrassed after propositioning you.
Anyway, can you please leave your Olde Rockfaxian tie, blazer, cummerbund and key to the wine cellar with Smithers? Your poetry's fine (for a member of the fairer sex), and I can foresee a time when women may be admitted to the Senior Common Room, but the time's not quite right. I trust you understand

PS re your photo - That's not the left Red Chili rockboot I lost a month or so ago is it?
Clauso 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to Evil Twin 1)
>
> Just checked your profile. So, Tiggs was right, you AREN'T a man! You certainly fooled us all - especially Dazman - who'll be mightily embarrassed after propositioning you.

Propositioning? Moi? Non, Non, au contraire. I merely asked whether she'd be interested in accompanying me to Tufts (raptor equivalent of Crufts) early next year. It'll be ever so exciting. I reckon that I'm in with a strong shout in the Screech Owl category. Little Mo has the most splendid plumage that I've seen in a long time.

Anyhow, you'll have to forgive the dearth of poetry contributions on my part. The muse has temporarily flown the roost, following my first leader deckout yesterday. I'm mulling over putting together something dark and sinister. A bit of Poe perhaps? Can you think of any other suitable poets?... I've got to express sentiments of bewilderment, pain, anguish, and a deep and abiding hatred of gravity.
Evil Twin 1 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to Evil Twin 1) Just checked your profile. So, Tiggs was right, you AREN'T a man!

Nope - not a man

You certainly fooled us all - especially Dazman - who'll be mightily embarrassed after propositioning you.

Did Dazman proposition me?? When, Where, Why?


> Anyway, can you please leave your Olde Rockfaxian tie, blazer, cummerbund and key to the wine cellar with Smithers? Your poetry's fine (for a member of the fairer sex), and I can foresee a time when women may be admitted to the Senior Common Room, but the time's not quite right. I trust you understand

Anyone got the number of the Equal Opportunities Commission?!

> PS re your photo - That's not the left Red Chili rockboot I lost a month or so ago is it?

Erm, aha (clears throat and looks shifty) - well I could only afford one, not being as privaleged as you old boys, and then the solitary right one was getting lonely on it's own - sorry guvnor - don't call the coppers, didn't mean nuffin by it!
 Yanchik 15 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

This is obviously War Poet territory. Wilfred Owen etc.

Ask not for whom the helicopter flies, it flies for thee.
(that's not mine, I think it's the title of a short story by that marvellous French female climbing writer...)

Dulce et decorum est, you know the genre.

Y

Clauso 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Yanchik:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> Dulce et decorum est, you know the genre.
>
> Y

Indeed I do, but I've already covered that particular one earlier in the thread.

Allow me to humbly present a little ode to an epic on a certain Welsh multipitch route.

Bent double, like old beggars under rucksacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on Tryfan's north ridge we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Both marched asleep. One had lost his boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. Both went lame, both whined;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of an eagle owl calling softly behind.

Fags! Fags! Quick, boys!--An ecstasy of fumbling
Sucking the noxious fumes sublime,
But hark! someone's yelling out and calling
And shouting "Moutain rescue!" time after time.--
On through the misty rains and thick black night,
I realise it's me!, we go on walking.

In recurring dreams since that fateful plight
I relive the thrutching, flailing, falling.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could place
yourself about the Ogwen Valley, as we were in,
And share the agony of plodding on pace by pace,
your plates of meat, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the curses
Come gargling from our cigarette-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on fingertips and tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To climbers ardent for some multipitch glory,
The old Lie: Grooved Arete? V Diff at best. Go climb there shortly.
 Yanchik 15 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

You did. Beg pardon, the "Kipling" got me all choked again.
Exceedingly good verse.
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Yanchik: Here is the full version of Keats' "Ode to a Night in a Gale" (the first openly gay poem we've essayed thus far?)

ODE TO A NIGHT IN A GALE
My tent shakes, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, from all the cider that I've drunk.
My mind is in turmoil about the drains,
One minute past, and I'll be sunk:
'Tis my bladder, not my happy lot,
To leave the tent and all happiness-
To venture to that Dryad of the trees,
In some malodious plot ,
Of dark and gloom, and sheep shit numberless
Without a torch in winter, ill at ease.

O, for a down jacket! That hath been
Warmed a long age by love within my berth,
Smelling of perfume and wintergreen,
Deep Heat, Chanel , and sunburnt mirth!
O for ablutions from the warm south,
Full of true Andrex and Nivea cream,
With hot running water and a shower trim,
And a brush to clean my mouth,
That I may pee, and leave the world unseen
And fade back to my tent in forest dim.

Fade far away, dissolve, and quite forget
What those cosy in the pubs have never known,
The weariness, the stench, and tummy upset
Here, where I sit and hear my fellow climbers groan;
Where socks grow stale, and optimism dies,
Where but to think is to be full of sorrow
And hollow-eyed despairs;
Where Beauty shows off her lustrous thighs
From a Playboy that we chanced to borrow.

All day! All day! Without a cup of tea,
Nor Walkman nor e'en a pack of cards
Trapped like a clueless thing of Destiny
Who my dull brain perplexes and retards:
Already hungry! Endless is the night
Unhaply, none of us has a mobile phone,
So there's no chips or curried takeaways;
And here there is no light
Save what from heaven is with the breezes blown
Through endless driving rain and choking, foggy haze.

I cannot feel my half-frostbitten feet
Only the immense weight of gloom upon my brow
But in the becalmed darkness , I retreat
To where my feverish mind allows
A lass, a whiskey, and a plate tall-piled
With roast beef, served with the finest wine;
Followed by biscuits and crumbly cheese
And The Green Man's finest mild
Then a perfumed bath, with bubbles divine,
Soap scented with honey from murmuring bees.

Wand'ring I listen; and for many a time
I have been mad in love with peaceful Geoff,
Called him soft names in many a muted rhyme,
To take into my heart his manly breath;
Now more than ever seems it time to try,
To reach under his duvet with no shame,
While he is snoring upon his back so broad
And I'm in ecstasy!
Hitherto my love had anguished in vain
Till now my love was only known to God.

"Thou wast not born for Geoff, infernal cur!"
So came vibrations from the eiderdown;
The voice I heard give me a fright was her,
Geoff's fiancee, who slowed us as we hurried down:
The hag, the self-sure wench who lost the path
Through the mist - Well Done Ruth!' - when sick for home
We stood in tears amid the alien zawn;
The dame that oft-times hath
Charmed Geoff's Rohan breeches open, for his foam,
On perilous climbs, as I looked down forlorn.

Forlorn! The very word is like a bell
To toll me back from cruel dreams to myself
Adieu! I unzip the flap, lurch into Hell,
As the downpour makes treacherous the shelf
Adieu! Adieu! Geoff's memory fades
I crawl through meadows, vault a wild stream,
Up the hillside; and now tis very steep
Till the next valley-glades:
Was it a vision or a drunken dream ?
Long fled is my Vango - do I wake or sleep ?
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Sorry to hear about your Near Death experience (I had one listening to Radio 4 in the bath last night!)

To fully express your anguish I fear we need to go all continental and start translating German (Rilke, Heine, Schiller, French (Baudelaire, Verlaine) and Scandinavian (probably loads of doomy cross-country skiing types called Jan or Edvard or Ragnar) poets - maybe, even better, Russian (Mandelstam, Akhmatova, Pasternak).

BTW JCT eat your heart out - 200 posts coming up!!!!
Clauso 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to Yanchik)
>
> Here is the full version of Keats' "Ode to a Night in a Gale" (the first openly gay poem we've essayed thus far?)

And very good it is too, but I'm confused. Nothing new there you might think. After all your recent re-enactment of General Custer's role in the charge of the light brigade left me similarly perplexed?. The question is, did I miss the covertly gay poems? Whose were they?
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Yanchik: The Kipling got you all choked again?! Take it back to the Mr. Kipling factory. I did. They gave me a full refund and a new box of Almond Slices - it's those flakes that get stuck in your throat.

PS I wrote a tragic poem about my experience - I can send you a copy if you like. It's called 'Mr. Kipling makes exceedingly fine flakes......that catch in your throat and make you choke etc. etc.")
Evil Twin 1 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
This thread is now sooo long - has anyone done Kubla Kahn? If not - please will someone with more talent than I take up the challenge.
Likewise - The Walrus and the Carpenter.
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Of all people on here to masquerade as innocent !! YOUR poem - Dulce et Decorum est Pro Patria Mori - is latin for "Sweet Young Boy, your decorous thighs make me glow with pride"..........
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1: I think you'll find someone did the first bit of Kubla Khan, but then stopped....

My dream poem would be The Crime (rime) of the Flagrant (ancient) Toproper (mariner) - but again, that would be too long.
Clauso 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> Of all people on here to masquerade as innocent !! YOUR poem - Dulce et Decorum est Pro Patria Mori - is latin for "Sweet Young Boy, your decorous thighs make me glow with pride"..........

Marc, I don't mean to sound unkind, especially not in such a public realm as this, but how many times have I had to provide you with the correct translations for various Latin phrases? How many times have I told you that your old Latin Master was nothing but a sexual deviant?

Remember that awful incident at Farnborough Airshow a few years ago, when you innocently enquired of a passing Air Vice Marshall "Excuse me. Per Ardua ad Astra is, of course, the motto of the Royal Air Force. What relevance do choir boys and hamsters have for the service exactly?"
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

> ODE TO A NIGHT IN A GALE

Yet another mantelpiece!

Pass the port old chap....

Nickers

 Yanchik 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

It was the memory of The (Coconut) Square That Broke; and The Apricot That Jammed...

Martial, I think, did a short humorous verse about some lad that got skewered by an icicle falling off the biggest acqueduct in Rome. He wasn't even climbing it. Two thousand years later I didn't find it funny at all. Neither would you, had you been translating it.

Hilaire Belloc needs revisiting here. There's surely a racier/Greater Ranges edition to be made of

As a friend to the children I commend you the Yak
You will find it exactly the thing
You can *** it, or *** it, or ride on it's back
Or lead it about with a string

The Tartars who live on the plains of Tibet (etc...)

Y
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: I think we both need a glass of port after 'translating' that!!!
In reply to Dazman: Very funny!

Here's WB Yeats' love song to a fellow boulderer (male or female).

Had I the heavens' upholstered mats,
Enwrought with stitching and filled with foam ,
The blue and the black and the red mats
S7, Metollius or Franklin Drop Zone ,
I would spread my mats under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Fall softly, because you fall on my dreams.
Billy bob 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

A bit more prossaic, in a physics book by the
climber Heniz R Pagels he writes that he frequenly
dreams of falling, and uses the sensations of weightlessness to explain Einsteins theories of gravity etc. Poor chap died in a climbing accident.

S.
OP T Chamberlain 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

In Argentiere did Kubla Khan
A lengthy Alpine trip decree
Where Arve, the schisty river ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to Chamonix

So twice five yards of sloping ground
With tents and mats were girdled route
And here were climbers fat with freeze-dried meals
Who lay neath the washing-line-bearing tree
And they ate oatcakes ancient as the hills
On which grew spots of greenery

But Oh! that deep romantic cavern which slanted
Down the seracs athwart a snow-bridge cover
A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By barmaid wailing for her Preston lover!

And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil babbling,
A man with Ron Hill pants was scrabbling
His mighty axes momently were thrust
And planted in the glacier's crust.
Then slid he like a benzedrene snail,
Down the flanks of the glacier so pale:
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
Plunged , yetis and all, into the silty river.

Five miles meandering with down the vale
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult past the Bar Nationale:
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from the Bar
Ancestral voices prophesying War!

.... (and so on.... I ran out of inspiration - the laudenam must have worn off)
Evil Twin 1 15 Dec 2003
In reply to T Chamberlain:
Fan 'bloody' tastic ....... take more laudenam!!
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

The Owl and the Dazman went to Wales
In a beautiful lime-green jag:
They took some 'stickies', and plenty of biccies
Wrapped up in an old chalkbag..

The Owl looked up to the cliffs above,
And sang to a small guitar,
"O lovely Dazzy, O Dazzy, my love,
What a beautiful Dazzy you
are,
You are, You are!
What a beautiful Dazzy you are!"

Dazzy said to the Owl, "You elegant fowl,
You're so cute, with you I'll elope!
But let's try Cloggy;
Before it gets foggy:
But what shall we do for a
rope?"

They clambered away, for the Rest of the day,
To the stance where the Gorple-tree grows;
And there in a hood a Grey Badger stood,
With a rope wrapped around his
toes,
His toes, His toes,
With a rope wrapped around his toes.

"Gray Ruff, are you willing to sell for one shilling
Your rope?"
Said the Badger, "I will."
So they took it away,
And climbed Shrike all the way
Till they could see to the top of the hill

They followed the track
To Yr Wydffa's shack
Where they were wed by Marc C the Buffoon.

And hand in hand they danced to a band
Till they floated up in a balloon,
Balloon,
Balloon,
They floated up in a balloon.
Clauso 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Excellent! You've outdone yourself. This will duly be printed out, framed, and hung in pride of place in my aviary... Not to mention committed to memory, and recited to old people on the bus.

I'll commission somebody to write it up in an elegant script, and have it bound and added to the library in the Senior Common Room.
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Good idea - there's a fresh space on the oak-panelled wall (above the hearth) now we've removed the portrait of that impostor, 'Evil Twin1'!

PS Sorry about the ribbing you took off the SCR lads. If it's any consolation, they've all done the same - but the other way round - i.e. mistaken a bloke for a woman (I did it myself in Thailand last year).
Evil Twin 1 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
Was the portrait not a give-away!??

Oh damn - i've just remembered, it was the one of me in my best blazer, Old School Tie, Floppy school boy hair..... knew that one would keep you fooled for a while. Lots of intellect..... not much brains!!
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: I'm sorry Daz, but you better get off that bus - I've just used my scanner to tune in to police radio, and apparently, several OAPs have committed suicide (throwing themselves out of bus windows; thrusting themselves headfirst into bingo-caller machines; turning the single bar of their electric fires off completely) after you recited 'your' poem.
 Tiggs 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to Evil Twin 1)
>
> The Owl and the Dazman went to Wales
>

Love it <jumps up and down, clapping hands, with big smile on face> Lear is a favourite of mine!
Clauso 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
>... after you recited 'your' poem.

Are you sure that these suicides can all be attributed to the recital of the poem? Other factors may be involved, such as my offer to bring your good self around to their houses and introduce you to them?

Maybe your reputation precedes you (again)? Folk in these parts have long memories. They still haven't forgiven our forgotten your stint as head chef at the curry house, and your infamous 'Woodland Special' menu. They also have an appreciation of your somewhat cavalier treatment of your climbing partners. Just a thought. I may, of course, be completely wide of the mark here.

 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: <Completely wide of the Marc>....Hmm. I don't feel this is the forum to bring up the tent episode and your appalling 'markmanship'

PS re the Curry House - great days, great days...sigh (reminds me, must dust off my Indian Restaurant jokes - please refresh my memory about the woodland special menu again - the choices were hilarious!)
 Adders 15 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: cant believe ive missed this thread until now. genius all of you
 Marc C 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Adders: Missed this thread!!!!??????? The Best Thread since What's Your Favourite Biscuit or Anyone Watch the Surfing Programme Last Night?


How COULD you?

PS You're off my christmas card list!
Clauso 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

I'm pleased to say that the finer details of the Woodland Special menu have been completely erased from my mind. It cost me a small fortune in therapy, but it was well worth the money. My shrink compared my mental state to that exhibited by Vietnam veterans after my visit to the Curry House. Severe post traumatic stress disorder etc... Now that I come to think about it, wasn't Rodent Josh a feature of it.... ARGRHHHHHH! It's all coming back to me now!

The Indian restaurant jokes? I think that you offered one about a Lassie (lahsi)? I managed a convoluted pun on fenugreek?... Can't remember the others, but they were very funny. Thanks a bunch, I've not been able to get a seat in my favourite Indian since I 'wisely' decided to share them with the owner.
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

Disobedience
AA Milne (Again)

James James
Morrison Morrison
Weatherby George Dupree
Took great
Care of his belay
Though it was round a tree.
James James said to his partner,
“Partner” he said, said he;
You must never ab down
To the ledge near the ground
If you don’t ab down with me.”

James James
Morrison’s partner
Put on serious frown
James James Morrisons partner
Said to herself said she;
“I can ab right down
to the ledge near the ground
and be back in time for tea.”

King John
Put up a notice,
LOST or STOLEN or STRAYED
JAMES JAMES MORRISON’S PARTNER
SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN MISLAID
LAST SEEN
BUMBLING VAGUELY:
QUITE OF HER OWN ACCORD,
SHE TRIED TO AB DOWN
TO THE LEDGE NEAR THE GROUND-
FORTY SHILLINGS REWARD!”

James James
Morrison Morrison
(Commonly known as Jim)
Told all his
Climbing buddies
Not to go blaming him.
James James
Said to his partner
“Partner” he said, said he;
You must never climb down
To the ledge near the ground
If you don’t climb down with me.”

James James
Morrison’s partner
Hasn’t been heard of since
King John said he was sorry,
So did the Queen and Prince.
King John
(Somebody told me)
Said to a man he knew;
“If people ab down to a ledge near the ground, well,
What can anyone do?”




Evil Twin 1 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
More Lear....... um my friend, he's a bloke, likes port, got a smoking jacket wrote this, just asked me to pop into the SCR and drop it off - hope that's ok.

The climber who has no gear
Had once as much as we
When they said “Some day you may lose it all”
He replied “Fish, fiddle-de-dee!”
And his Aunt JCT made him buy
A gear bag of blue, just like the sky
For she said “There’s nothing to fear,
There’s nothing so good to hold your gear.

The climber who has no gear
Climbed many a route at Cloggy
But before he set out he clipped his rope
To the lead of his doggy
For his Aunt JCT said “No harm
Can come to his gear if attached by a charm
And it’s perfectly known that a climber’s gear
Is safe – provided his dog is near

The climber smeared hard as he did ascend
When cracks or holds appeared before him
He jammed-in, rammed-in, crammed-in a friend
So all other climbers could not ignore him
And all the scramblers and boulderers cried
When they saw him bridging around the side
He’s slightly nutty or that way disposed
He’s following a route that’s far more exposed

But before he reached the top
The top of the route at Cloggy
A nasty young gypsy carried away
His lovely gear-guarding doggy
And when he came to observe his route
Formally guarded with gear absolute
His face at once became forlorn
On perceiving that all his gear was gone

And nobody ever knew
From that dark day to the present
Whoso had taken the climber’s gear
In a manner so far from pleasant
How the nuts or cams of grey
Or crafty hexes had gone astray
Nobody knew; and nobody is clear
How the climber was robbed of his gear

The climber who has no gear
Was thrown down a helpful rope
And they raised him up, then set him down
And a gentle, rocky slope
And his Aunt JCT and all of his friends
Tried to help and make amends
They said “it’s a fact, let all the world hear,
That climbers are happier without their gear”
Evil Twin 1 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Nick - that's made my day! Thank you thank you thank you. I thought about it but nothing came!!
DaveH 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

RUSHBYMANDIAS
-------------

I met a climber from an Northern land
Who said: Two hairy ginger disco legs
Stand near this ridge, Bert. Belaying from the sand,
Half drunk, a shattered ego lies,
Whose brown ale & crinkled chips
Tell that his cocksure will has died,
Clutching his worn-out slings -
The hand that clipped them and his ginger head.
And on his pedal car these words appear:
"My name is Rushbymandias, King of Kings.
Look at my cat Nevis and despair".
Nothing beside remains.
Round the decay of that rusting wreck,
Boundless and bare, Stoke Newington stretches
Far far away.
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

Takes me back to My dear old Nursie and marmite on toast for tea.....

Nick
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

Good one Paul. Maybe he'd like us to send him our collection?

Nick
Paul Saunders 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

A Xmas AA Milne poem...

John Dunne's Xmas. (I'm so sorry John I haven't got it in for you... really... it's just your name fit's all the poems I'm plagarising... Sorrysorrysorrysorry!)

John Dunne was not a thin man man--
And he had his little ways.
Sometimes no one climbed with him
For days and days and days.
Men who came across him,
When eyeing up new routes,
Gave him a supercilious stare,
Or passed with noses in the air--
Big big John stood dumbly there,
Blushing in his sticky boots.

John Dunne was not a popular man,
And no good friends had he.
He bouldered every afternoon...
But no one came to see.
And, round about December,
The cards upon his shelf
Which wished him lots of Christmas cheer,
And fortune in the coming year,
Were never from those he admired,
But only from his sponsors.

John Dunne was not a vain man,
He had his hopes and fears.
They had given him no recognition
For years and years and years.
But every year at Christmas,
While boulderers stood about,
complaining that the friction sucked,
And all the prob's they might have sent,
He stole away upstairs and stuck
A hopeful stocking up.

Big John was not a friendly man,
He lived his life aloof;
Alone he thought a message out
While climbing up "Rays Roof".
He wrote it down and propped it
Against the chimney stack:
'To all and sundry--near and far--
F. Christmas in particular.'
And signed it not "The God of Gritstone"'
But very humbly, 'Jack.'

'I want some camalots,
I need a "beta-stick"!
I think a box climbing chalk
Could save my life when things get slick;
I don't mind quick draws,
I'd love some topo's
And a full page spread in "On the Edge"
With really glossy photos.
And, oh! Father Christmas, if you love me a bit,
Please bring me a big, red boulder-beannie hat!'

John Dunne was not a good man--
But still he had his hopes,
And went back to the ground again,
By abbing down his ropes.
And all that night he lay there,
A prey to hopes and fears.
'I think that's him a-coming now,'
(Anxiety bedewed his brow.)
'He'll bring one present, anyhow--
The first I've had for years.

Forget about the camalots,
I don't need a "beta-stick"!
I think a box climbing chalk
Won't make a difference on grit; (I mostly use POF)
I've got some quick-draws,
I'll use my old topo's
And a in a full page spread in "On the Edge"
I look rotten in the photos.
But, oh! Father Christmas, if you love me a bit,
Please bring me a big, red boulder-beannie hat!'

But John Dunne was not a good man--
Next morning when the sun
Rose up to tell a waiting world
That Christmas had begun,
And climbers seized their stockings,
And opened them with glee,
And quickdraws, nuts and friends appeared,
And grit with sticky boots was smeared,
Big John said grimly: 'As I feared,
Nothing again for me!'

'I did want Camalots,
And a "beta-stick" as well
I know a box of climbing chalk
helps when the friction goes to hell;
I do love quick-daws,
I did want topos.
And a full page spread in "On the Edge"
With really glossy photos.
And, oh! If Father Christmas had loved me just a bit,
He would have brought a big, red boulder-beannie hat!'

That's right. You remembered that, didn't you?

Big John stood by the window,
And frowned to see below
The happy bands of climbers
All playing in the snow.
A while he stood there watching,
And envying them all...
When through the window big and red
There hurtled wooly past his head,
And bounced and fell upon the bed,

Guess what?

A big, red boulder-beannie hat!'

And oh, Father Christmas,
I wouldn't have expected that.
You brought him a big, red,
boulder-beannie hat!'


Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

How did I post that before you did....I's all getting a bit wierd in The Common Room tonight.....

Nickers
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

See above....

N
Paul Saunders 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

LOL

I corrected a typo!
Nick Alcock 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

Thought for a moment I'd got caught in a space-time poetry paradox. Anyway do you think Mr. D would appreciate a Christmas gift of our "homage"?

Nickers
cleddy 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Sam - The Orange House:

No worries, go ahead.
OP simon j 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
Grit Fever

I must go out to the peak again, the lonely peak on high
and all I ask is a gritstone slab and a bouldering mat nearby,
and the slipper smear and the sidepull and the crystal pinch biting,
and a clear day and a cold day and the clean boot striking
OP simon j 15 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
2nd verse
I must go out to the peak again, for the call of the gritstone kiss
is a wild call and a painfull call that may not be dismissed
and all I ask is a midge free day with the soul and spirit soaring the scarlet heather, kestrels hover and the black crows playing
OP Marc Chrysanthou 15 Dec 2003
In reply to simon j: Blame Radio 4 (and its programme on the British Haiku Society), but here's a haiku (3 lines, 17 syllables in 5-7-5 sequence):

Fly smeared on cold glass
A climber of kindred blood -
Pray no-one swats me
 sutty 15 Dec 2003
In reply to simon j:

Hey that is plagiarism of MY PLAGIARISM,from my youth
Paul Saunders 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

I dunno he's a big man...

Anyway you're the one writing love sonnets... Oh J Climber Dunne... I ask you?
OP Marc Chrysanthou 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: For Joe Brown (based on Blake's 'Jerusalem' - sing it if you like!)

And did Joe's feet in 'ancient' time
Walk upon England's moorlands green
And was the holy jamming god
On England's gritstone's rough cracks seen?

And though a mountaineer sublime
Who shone in Karakoram hills
He carved a true hard man's career
Amid the scars of mines and hills

Sing me of Joe, master of old
Sing me of Joe, gritstone messiah
Sing me of Joe, of climbs so bold
Sing me of Joe, ascending higher

He did not cease from mental strife
Nor did the skin stay on his hands
He put up routes that we still fear
He's England's greatest mountain man
OP Marc C's Mum 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: Just wondering...Is this the looooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggest thread ever on RT (in terms of wordage)?
Nick Alcock 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C's Mum:

Good Morning Marc C's Mum. Marc has always told me that length doen't matter.

Best regards

Nickers
Evil Twin 1 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
MEG - where did it go - it was brilliant!!!!!!
Meg 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

Sorry - spotted a typo!!

The Marmot And The Alpinist

The Marmot and the Alpinist were walking hand in hand
Along the narrow trodden path which crossed the snowy land.
Across the darkened glacier their head torch bobbed and dipped
Beside the steady Alpinist the Marmot danced and skipped.

The stars were fading in the sky. The Marmot looked forlorn
Until a brush of snowy pink proclaimed the coming dawn.
The sky changed from a chilly grey to an alcoholic blue
The Marmot lay down on its back, and watched the heady hue.

The Alpinist looked down his nose, at the Marmot lying there
Its fur all matted in the snow and its paws up in the air.
"Oh Marmot," said the Alpinist, "We must be moving on."
The Marmot turned the right way up, and quickly they were gone.

The Alpinist soon had to pause, and looked down at his foot.
Then knelt and strapped his crampon more tightly to his foot.
The Marmot watched in mild surprise, and wiped a snowy paw.
"Oh tell me, my dear Alpinist, just what are crampons for?"

Up on the col the sun was strong; the heat was very hot.
The Alpinist slowed down his pace, and mopped his brow a lot.
He stopped to put on glacier cream, and donned a shady hat.
The Marmot merely preened its tail and smirked a bit at that.

The Alpinist marched up the ridge, his pace was firm, refined.
The Marmot twitched its furry ears, and scampered up behind.
Up on the ridge the wind was sharp, the snow was white as snow.
"Oh Marmot," said the Alpinist "There's not much more to go."

They walked along the summit ridge, and did not take a rest
Till they stood among the orange peel upon the mountain crest.
The Marmot and the Alpinist stood there hand in hand.
With proud but tired eyes they gazed, down at the snowv land.
 Dave Garnett 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Can't believe the muse has persisted so long and that you guys are still at it. Great stuff. I really do have work to do today but I'll have another think...
In reply to Meg:

Beautifully done, but strangely revisionist with its new, happy Hollywood ending.

I missed the seven guides with seven snow shovels
Nick Alcock 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Meg:

Lovely picture. I can see the film. Shall I draw up the storyboard?

Nickers
Anita 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: What about some Burns:

Ode to a Winter Climber

Big, hairy, smelly beastie
Where are ye gaun sae hastie
Thou need na start, nane will chase thee
Tae yer hill
Tha route is yours lane, it's virgin tae
Go, tak thy adrenalin pill

The hills is empty, nane is there
So thee can enjoy, wi time tae spare
The red deer an' white mountain hare
Afore they startle
When thy reach's snow, ice and mair
Thou'll ken thy's mortal

Pitch after pitch, upwards ye'll go
'Til thou's hangin' on a dice, an it's thy throw
Ane mair heave wi axes, a bawl, and 'lo
'Tis a braw sight
The summit, 'tis cover'd in snow
On this glorious, moonlit night

Descent is slow on legs sae wearie
Adrenalin gone noo, vision's blearie
Energy sapped, but thou's content and happy
No longer feart
Warm feelin returns, thou'll soon be cosy
Thee, whae have the mountains sae close tae heart


 Marc C 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Anita: "What about some burns"?! No way! I got mixed up with a wild kinky woman like you once before - once burned twice shy....

Nice one though. I'd thought of that poem, but couldn't see how to pull it off.

PS The pedant in me has spotted that in one verse of my "And did Joe's feet in ancient times", the line should have read 'Amidst the scars of mines and mills'.
 Marc C 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: re length comment, I was trying to be kind!!!

As I did when I saw you climbing (ahem) and I consoled you by saying 'strength doesn't matter'.....
Meg 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> (In reply to Meg)
>
> Beautifully done, but strangely revisionist with its new, happy Hollywood ending.
>
> I missed the seven guides with seven snow shovels

Hollywood ending, eh? That's put me in my place. I actually wrote it years ago, after a brilliant alpine day. Luring defenceless sea creatures to their death didn't seem to fit the mood.

However, you've got me thinking now... watch this space.


Nick Alcock 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Anyone for Tennyson?

Crossing the Bar


Sunset and evening star,
And one last route for me!
And may there be no moaning at the bar,
Can all the drinks be free?

But the chosen route is a gritstone crack,
The holds unchalked and green
The cams are stacked around my back,
I think you know the scene.

Twilight and, Oh dear,
I’ve got a jam, I can’t let go,
To reach the pro, I’ll have to get a smear
But there’s lichen on my toe

For though the darkness falls on Time and Place
The rope might hold me far
I hope to see my Maker face to face
When I lean across the bar.



Nickers.




In reply to Meg:

I'm looking forward to it. Something that'll make me turn a little blue and hold my pocket handkerchief before my streaming eyes.
Howard 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

What about Chaucer? Here's one the BBC unaccountably failed to dramatise:

The Climber's Tale

Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And fromme the Ynland Revenue we here
To welcome inne the new fynancial yere
Then alle the clymbers they have hadde enough
Of clymbinge onne the artyficial stuffe
Atte the Foundry or the North West Face
And they are all fulle sicke of Rope Race
But soone, whyle alle the people lye aslepe
Bright Phoebus forward in his course doth leepe
To summon inne the British Summer Time
And itte is then thatte folkes go forth too clymbe
From far and near they go on pilgrymage
To Stoneye Mideltonne and Hathersage
Whyle somme do turn their faces further west
To Cloggy, Tryfan, Idwal and the reste
But tho the shoures swete falle on the toun
Upon the hilles itte generally pysseth down

A manne there was, in Manchester did dwelle
Who liked to clymb upon the rocks fulle welle
This manne, of hwom I telle to you my tale
His clymbinge loved, but better loved hys ale
For even tho the sunne was past the prime
He stille would notte bestir himself to clymbe
Butte satte alle inne the tavern supping beer
He had no monnaie left to buy his gear
Some Rocks he had, some hexes, and namo
Some tatty slyngs, and eek a Friend or two
Butte tho of clymbinge gere he sore did lacke
A vow he made that he'd clymbe Kern Knotts Crack
And so onne daie he walked up to the route
Altho he was as sober as a newt
And tho he hadde a bellyful of beere
He started on the clymb without a fere
Butte when he cam unto the tricky bitte
He could notte fynd a piece of gere to fitte
And he was so befuddled by the booze
That hys balaunce he very soone did lose
And so before too longe itte came to passe
This manne fell doune, and landed on his arse
He lowd did groan as onne the grownd he layed
And piteouslie did crye out for first ayd
He loudlie called for somebodie to come
And putte some stickinge plaster onne hys bumme
And before verie longe, I'm gladde to saye
The Mountayne Rescue carryed him awaye

The moral, if a moral there shold bee
Iffe you wold clymbe, then always sticke to tea
For iffe onne bere or whisky you shold sup
You may fynd thatte your lucke is alle used up
But iffe you cannot do without the pubbe
Thenne joyn Innominata Mountain Clubbe *

*www.innominata-mc.org.uk

OP Marc Chrysanthou 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard: Brilliant! But Captain Howard, can you now please start taxi-ing and then get your plane off the runway ? There are people flying to Tenerife who've been held up for 11 hours (on the pretext that the runway's icy)!
Meg 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> (In reply to Meg)
>
> I'm looking forward to it. Something that'll make me turn a little blue and hold my pocket handkerchief before my streaming eyes.

Here you are then. An answer to Gordon's distaste for happy endings and a solution to the freshers' meet problem...


The sun was shining on the peak,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The snow slopes smooth and bright--
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.
The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"

The snow was white as white could be,
The rock was dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead--
There were no birds to fly.

The Marmot and the Alpinist
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of snow:
"If this were only cleared away,"
It would set my heart aglow!"

"If seven guides with seven spades
Shovelled for half a year.
Do you suppose," the Marmot said,
"That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Alpinist,
And shed a bitter tear.

"O freshers, come and walk with us!"
The Marmot did implore.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
And peaks to bag galore:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a rope to each."

Last year’s freshers looked at him,
But never a word they said:
Last year’s freshers winked their eyes,
And shook their heavy heads--
Meaning to say they did not choose
To leave their squalid beds.

But four young freshers hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their duvets brushed, their faces washed,
Their boots were clean and neat--
This wasn’t odd, because, you know,
They hadn't used them yet.

Four other freshers followed them,
And more beyond all hope;
And thick and fast they came at last,
- the pair could scarcely cope -
All hopping off the minibus,
And tying on the rope.

The Marmot and the Alpinist
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little freshers stood
And waited in a row.

"The time has come," the Marmot said,
"To talk of many things:
Of crampons, pegs, and belay plates
Of harnesses and slings -
And why you can’t climb up the rope -
And why a rockfall stings."

"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Alpinist.
They thanked him much for that.

"A deep crevasse," the Marmot said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
A weakened snow-bridge too besides
Is very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, freshers dear,
We can begin the deed."

"Don't drop us please!" the freshers cried,
Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Marmot said.
"Do you admire the view?

"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!"
The Alpinist said nothing but
"Belay us to the ice:
Make sure those ice screws are secure--
and tie us to them twice!"

"It seems a shame," the Marmot said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!"
The Alpinist said nothing but
"The snow here is too thick!"

"I weep for you," the Marmot said:
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.

"O freshers," said the Alpinist,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd pushed down every one.


Evil Twin 1 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Meg:
Truely truely brilliam - except in verse 8 - the freshers for some inexplicable reason turn into oysters....
Meg 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:
Whoops! The limitations of find and replace...
Meg 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard:
Totally excellent - possibly the best yet. But what's a bright lad like you doing in the Innominata?
Evil Twin 1 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Meg:

More Lewis Caroll - The Climber

In winter when the crags are white
I climb the ice with sheer delight
In spring when routes are slightly green
I’ll try my luck on the boulder scene
In summer when the days are long
I’ll climb big walls, for now I’m strong
In autumn, when the leaves are brown
I’ll stick to grit without a frown.
Evil Twin 1 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:
Can anyone please tell me who wrote the poem that starts
I wrote a letter to the fish
Saying this is what I wish
The little fishies of the sea
Sent a letter back to me.......

Or something along those lines. I thought it was Carroll, but I can't find it on the web anywhere.
OP Martin W at work 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1: It's from Humpty Dumpty's song in "Through the Looking-Glass" - the same one your previous post parodies. The full text is here: http://ingeb.org/songs/inwinter.html
In reply to Meg:

Wonderful, Meg. Was glad to see just how much of the original Carroll you kept, because it's difficult to improve on, isn't it?
Evil Twin 1 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Martin W at work:
Damn - really not on the ball. That'll teach me to try and drag my memory for old poems, whilst fighting with a vindictive PC, and trying to work / pretend to work.

I shall go stand in the corner with a big pointy hat on now!
Paul Saunders 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Meg:

For a change none of these are mine... They're all from the Tradgirl site's (Rec.climbing) greatest hits page...

Hope you enjoy as much as I did...

Beware the Tibloc teeth my son
your sheath will shread when sharp pins snatch.
Beware Reverso's clang, and shun
the no-handed GriGri catch

by Nathan Sweet

`The time has come,' the Leader said,
`To talk of may things:
Of shoes and ropes and Camalots
Of topographs and slings
And why the sharp end feels so sharp
And why a good pin rings.'

`But wait a bit,' the Second cried,
`Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And some of us are fat!'
`Don't place the gear too high to clean!'
You owe me at least that.

by Wendy Joseph

Whose crags are these I think I know.
His house is in the village, though;
He will not see me stopping here
To look at them from down below.

Some of my friends would think it queer
To stop without a rope or gear,
But the urge to mount this chossy spire
Is even greater than my fear.

It's cold, and though I start to shake,
Towards the base a step I take.
The only other sound's the sweep
Of wind against a hollow flake.

This line is lovely, smooth, and steep,
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

by Melissa

The wall was steep as steep could be,
The ground was flat as flat.
You could not read discussions
Of the uses of Dead Cat:
There wasn't yet a newsgroup
to discuss: Not even that.

The Leader and the Follower
Were cleaning off the moss;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of choss:
"If this were only cleared away,"
They said, "it would be Boss!"

"If three sport weenies with their drills
drilled and pried and chipped.
Do you suppose," the Leader said,
"We'd be no longer gripped?
I doubt it, but let's ask" he said,
As one more beer he sipped.

"O Gymbies, will you post with us?"
The Leader did inquire
"A pleasant post, a pleasing roast,
Atop Slime's roasting pyre:
We must confess that your BS,
would make for splendid fire!

Hardman Knott just looked at him,
But never a word he said:
Hardman Knott just flexed his pecks,
And shook his shaven head--
Meaning to say he'd much prefer
To flash 5.12 instead.

But eight young Gymbies hurried up,
All eager for the talk:
With harness carefully doubled back,
and hands awash in chalk--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They never had touched rock.

A pair of bolters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And Traddies by the score--
And AOLers spraying trash,
All scrambling to the war.

The Leader and the Follower
Talked for three threads or so,
And then they trolled the newbies,
saying "you are climbers, no?"
And all the little lurkers sat
And waited for the show.

"The time has come," the Leader said,
"To post of many things:
Of Friends--and chocks--and cordelettes--
Of climbs called "wings and stings"--
Of Batten's back, Amanda's rack--
And strength of spectra slings."

"But wait a bit," Softbodies cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Leader.
They thanked him much for that.

"A donut, fried" Al Black replied,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Cake or glazed or buttermilk
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, Climbers dear,
We can begin to read."

"But don't flame us!" young 'hi' then cried,
Turning a little green.
"After such kindness, that would be
A thing that's downright mean!"
"This thread is fine," the Leader said.
"Do you admire the scene?

"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very good!"
The Follower said nothing but
"Toss on a bit more wood:
These flames seem to be dying out,
Not blazing like they should!"

"It seems a shame," the Leader said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them up so far,
And made them think so quick!"
The Follower said nothing but
"This 'hi' is such a Dick!"

"I pity him," the Leader said:
"I really feel his pain."
With sobs and tears he tossed a rock
That crushed a newbie's brain,
Holding a pen-knife to another's
pulsing jugular vein.

"O newbies," said the Follower,
"You've had a pleasant chat!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But silence answered that--
And this was scarcely odd, because
On all of them they'd shat.

by Brutus of Wyde
Paul Saunders 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

And some others...

heer i climed awl dae
in dee sun no wurk jus plae
an heer wil i sta
--climer hikoo

by Karl Lew

Penalty slack sucks
Remind me not to tease you
When I am leading

by Rex Pieper

the following was in response to an empty "test" post.
Yet, fear not friend: not all's in vain
For one man's loss is others' gain.
You've saved us, by your barren posting,
From words which may have sparked a roasting.
Many of us could learn this well -
To hit the "send" before we tell
Our thoughts on ethics, bolts and reefer:
Perhaps our posts should all be briefer?
Console yourself. When all is done,
You may have lost - but we have won.

by Vicki

The following may not be as funny out of context, but it was one of the funniest things ever posted on rec.climbing at the time. To sum up, someone named Zionwalls posted a pretty good, but badly presented, trip report. Some people critisized the presentation and refused to read it, other people applauded the TR and compared his style to James Joyce. The ensuing flame war went on for miles. And then, out of the murk, the following emerged:

Green Eggs and Slime

>Hello my name is Zionwalls.
>I've climbed on rocks and taken falls.
>I wrote a trip report and posted,
>tho I fear I will get toasted.
>It isn't long, it isn't short,
>I hope you like my trip report.

"I will not read your trip report,
I will not read it , long or short!
It hasn't any puncuation!
A product of a careless nation!
I will not read your trip report,
I will not read it , long or short!"

>Would you read it on a ledge?
>or hooked on a dime sized-edge?

"I will not read it on a ledge,
nor while hooked upon an edge!
I will not read your trip report,
I will not read it , long or short!"

>Would you read it on rapell?
>or on a climb that's named Green Hell?

"I would not read it on rapell,
or while climbing on Green Hell.
I will not read it on a ledge,
nor while hooked upon an edge!
I will not read your trip report,
I will not read it , long or short!"

>Would you read it on belays?
>Or in a bar on resting days?

"Not on belays!
Not on rest days!
Not on rapell!
Not on Green Hell!
Not on a ledge!
Not from an edge!
It hasn't any puncuation!
A product of a careless nation!
I will not read your trip report,
I will not read it , long or short!"

>Perhaps because it's trad, not sport?
>Would you then read my trip report?

"I do not care if your report
involves either trad or sport!
Paragraph's are what it's lacking!
You are no artist! You were slacking!
I will not read it at belays,
nor in bars on resting days!
I won't read it on rapell,
nor on 11.b Green Hell!
I will not read your trip report,
I will not read it , long or short!"

>But we left lots of gear up there.
>you could retrieve it if you dare.
>Perhaps the ropes could yet be freed,
>if my trip report you'd read.
>Use them if you climb the Prow.
>Free haul lines! Go get them now!

"I do not want your dodgy gear,
and not because I'm filled with fear.
Through written clay I will not plow!
I'll buy my own ropes for the Prow!
I don't care if trad or sport,
is the theme of your report.
I won't read it Zionwalls!
For though you have gorrilla balls,
for posting text in solid blocks
about your climbs on chossy rocks,
I still won't read it at belays
or in bars on resting days,
or while dangling on rapell,
nor while smearing up Green Hell,
or while resting on a ledge,
nor while hooking some small edge!
Paragraphs? It hasn't any!
Bad posts here are far too many!
You do not use puncuation!
A product of a careless nation!
I will not read your trip report,
I will not read it , long or short!"

>You will not read it, so you say.
>But you may like it, yes you may!
>An epic we got thru some how,
>I wish you would just read it now.

"Zion if you let me be,
I will read some, then we'll see"

......time passes.......

"Hey, I like this trip report!
It's not too long, and not to short!
I will read this on belays,
And in bars on resting days!
I will read it on rapell,
and when I try to send Green Hell!
I will read it up on ledges,
and while hooking fragile edges!
I'll even haul it up the Prow.
I'm so glad I read it now.
I really like this trip report!
It's not too long, and not to short!"

by Cat_in_the_Hat


The People of Nork
In the state of New Jersey,
In the City of Nork,
the climbing traditions had taken a fork,

There were those who would claim
that the Gap was just choss,
and perfect for "mixing", on ice covered moss.

The other contingent
(who used one inch slings),
said the "The rock it is sacred! Dont bash it with things!

Tho it isn't the Gunks
nor the New nor the 'Adirondacks
or the much touted valley called College of Cracks........

We much prefer climbing it free with our racks!

It's all that we have
dont abuse it at all
'Cause a crag is a crag, no matter how small!"

"We will hook if we wanna."
the Mixers retorted,
"With grubb hoes and warhogs, and bolts to be sported!

With pocket-torn daiseys
and gri-gri's all dented
we'll do what we wish 'cause the rock is fragmented!"

and they roped up and started to climb, half demented.....

Now the Tradrats were horrified,
their crag being scrached,
by the tools and protection with Mixers attached.

"It just isn't fair!"
from below they did call,
"Cause a crag is a crag, no matter how small!"

but the Mixers, they paid no attention at all.........

That is until one of them
high on the crux,
fell into the nest of some Warter Gap Ducks.....

now Warter Gap Ducks
though the name is banal,
evolved in the waste of a Love-ly canal.

Their nests are so air-tight,
their chicks are hypoxic.
The guano they exude is really quite toxic.

The leader was gasping
and holding his breath
knowing a fall here would end in his death.....

"A rescue!" he cried!
"I need one right now!"
but his partners below had no clue as to how...

Then a protesting Tradrat noticed the row.......

"I will help you."
he said "Tho' your ethics do suck,
no person should die in the nest of a duck.

We'll run up a rope
to that Monocot Tree
and from there we can reach him. We'll hurry! You'll see!"

And the Tradrats all hustled
and tied up some lines
with boyscout-like-deathknots all tangled like vines.

The fattest one rapped
first down to the nest
then tied in the victim and then rapped the rest........

and revived him with beer at the bottom. (that's best)

Then the Mixers said "Tradrats,
perhaps we are wrong
to gouge up the choss you have climbed free so long".

We'll wait till it freezes,
then head to the Gunks,
where the rock doesn't fall in such deadly big chunks."

So they packed up their quickdraws
covered with crud,
and drove off in Blazers and Volvos thru mud.

And as they drove off
they echoed the call,
"A crag is a crag, no matter how small!"

by Nathan Sweet
OP Anonymous 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders: A poem about chipping (based on TS Eliot's 'Macavity the Mystery Cat')

MacChipperty's a mystery man, he's climbing’s hidden sore
For he's the phantom chipper who can defy the law
He's the bafflement of Purity, the Ethics Squad's despair
For when they reach the scene of crime MacChipperty's not there!

MacChipperty, MacChipperty, there's no one like MacChipperty,
He's broken every climbing law, he takes a lot of liberties .
His powers of alteration would make a sculptor stare
And when you reach the scene of crime MacChipperty's not there!

You may seek him in the quarry, you may look up in the air
But I tell you once and once again MacChipperty’s not there!

MacChipperty's a clever guy, he's very tall and thin
You would know him if you saw him for his eyes are sunken in
His brow is deeply lined in thought, his chisel's highly honed
His fleece is dusty from neglect, his beard is all uncombed

He sways his head from side to side with movements like a snake
And when he thinks you’re safe asleep, he's always wide awake

MacChipperty, MacChipperty, there's no one like MacChipperty
He's a Fiend in human shape, bane of the grit fraternity
You may meet him at The Bridestones, or Brimham’s Dancing Bear
But when a crime's discovered then MacChipperty's not there!

He's outwardly respectable, I know he cheats at cards
And his chiselmarks are not found in any files of Scotland Yard's
And when a climb’s been sculpted or the guidebook’s grades are rifled
Or when a hold goes missing or a last great line’s been stifled
Or the Dawes’s line’s been stolen so there’s no End of the Affair
There's the wonder of the thing MacChipperty's not there!

MacChipperty, MacChipperty, there's no one like MacChipperty
There never was a man of such deceitfulness and secrecy
He always has an alibi and one or two to spare
What ever time the deed took place MacChipperty wasn't there!

And they say that all the men whose wicked deeds are widely known
I might mention Peter Livesey, a man who 'nail-brushed' stone,
Are nothing more than second to the man who all the time
Kills climbs for future generations : the Napoleon of crime!

MacChipperty, MacChipperty, there's no one like MacChipperty
He's a fiend in human shape, a cur of great iniquity.
You may meet him in a quarry, you may see him in the square
But when a crime's discovered then MacChipperty

MacChipperty, MacChipperty, MacChipperty
When a hold's been added then MacChipperty's not there!
MacChipperty's not there!
OP Marc MacChipperty C 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Anonymous: Er, that was me!
Paul Saunders 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Anonymous:

Very clever indeed )))
 Marc C 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders: Chipping's not big and it's not clever. The good news is that DCI Jack Dobroyd caught our' friend' MacChipperty at Lumbutts Quarry this morning - 'improving' one of my desperate problems. He won't be troubling real climbers anymore - or troubling the justice system (we executed him with a shot to the back of the head and hid his corpse behind an old quarry slab).
 Marc C 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: By the way, any one want to reveal their latest 'projects' - mine's Christina Rossetti's 'How do I love thee, let me count the ways?' It should go at about E4, 6b I think. Some tricky technical moves after the initial lines, and then a straightforward finish.

MacChipperty was only VS - straightforward once I found the right approach.
 Duncan Bourne 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Duncan Bourne:
Here is the Xmas Poem
'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS
'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the flat
The techno was blaring, 'twas too loud to chat
The rizlas were perched on the table with care
And smoke full of chemicals soon filled the air
We'd just been out clubbing, I truly was trashed
My faithful companions were equally mashed
We'd popped a few pills and we'd had a quick sniff
And just settled down to a nice tasty spliff
When out on the balcony rose such a clatter
We looked slowly up to see what was the matter
I got to my feet and I swayed to the door
And only occasionally fell on the floor
I peered through the glass as I took a long puff
The moon glistened through the pollution and stuff
When what to my wandering eyes should appear
But a fat man in red and a team of reindeer
He yelled and he ranted, gave each one a kick
I knew in a second it must be Saint Nick
He shrieked at each Reindeer and cursed them alike
"F**k you!" yelled Rudolph "we're going on strike!"
The reindeer did turn and soar into the sky
And Santa growled something that wasn't goodbye
I watched as they went in a puff of pink smoke
And vowed from now on to stay off of the coke
As debris did settle St Nick turned around
He swore as he angrily kicked at the ground
He gave me a gesture that clearly implied
He'd be very pleased if I let him inside
I threw the doors open and ushered him in
Invited him through with a welcoming grin
"So where are our presents?" my wasted mates cried
With a look of astonishment, Santa replied;
"You seriously think you might be on my list?
You've got to be kidding, you're taking the p**s!
Have you lot considered your actions this year?
Stop being stupid and get me a beer."
He opened a Stella, but still looked depressed
We asked him to tell us what made him so stressed
"My reindeer have left me" he said with a sigh
"Unless I have reindeer I've no way to fly!"
"Now look here" I told him "we may not know much
We don't help old ladies, kiss babies and such,
But Santa, there's no need for you to despair
We know how to get you back up in the air!"
I chopped up a line with precision and skill
And rolled him up neatly a twenty pound bill
His face lit up quickly with real Christmas cheer
"Perhaps you kids WILL get some presents this year!"
He spoke not a word but got straight to his mission
He snorted that line with wholehearted ambition
Then Santa skinned up and he smiled as he puffed
We knew that our stockings this year would be stuffed
He sprang to the balcony, leapt from the railing
Soared to the sky with his present-sack trailing
I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight,
"Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night!"
Nick Alcock 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

I'm trying a little problem entitled "Raglan Road" Traditional Irish, as performed by Van Morrison. I've fallen off it several times, so it must be at least 6a/b. But it's not going to beat me .....

Nickers
Clauso 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

I thought that I'd have a go at that well known epic Icelandic poem, Voluspa:

http://members.iquest.net/~chaviland/Voluspa.htm

I'm cheating a little here, because I'm basing it on the English translation, rather than the more aesthetically pleasing Icelandic. But what the hell? I can't sit around all day providing the likes of you with word perfect translations and parodies! I've got owls to tend.

... Expect my submission sometime next August.
 Niall 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
> (In reply to Marc C)
>
> I'm trying a little problem entitled "Raglan Road" Traditional Irish, as performed by Van Morrison. I've fallen off it several times, so it must be at least 6a/b. But it's not going to beat me .....


You should be aware that the crux is quite fingery and technical

Nick Alcock 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Niall:
> (In reply to Nick Alcock)

> You should be aware that the crux is quite fingery and technical

Ahh. That would explain my demise. Verse three is a stiff one...

Nickers
In reply to DazMan:

Please don't start on the whole of Beowulf!
Nick Alcock 16 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: After considerable angst... I proffer the following:

Raglan Road
Traditional

On Snowdon’s slopes on an autumn day,
I saw it first and knew,
That those dark crags there, would weave a snare,
That I would one day rue.
I saw the danger, yet I walked
Along the enchanted way,
And I said let grief be a falling leaf,
At the dawning of the day.


On White Slab in November,
We climbed lightly along the ledge,
Of a deep ravine where can be seen,
Routes at the leading edge.
The Queen of Hearts still baking tarts,
And I not making way,
Well I climbed too much, by such and such,
Is happiness thrown away.


I climbed every route in my mind,
I gave her the secret sign
That’s known to all the climbers who,
Have known true Gods of Space and Time.
With word and hint I did not stint,
I gave her guidebooks to survey,
With her own dark hair and her own name there,
Like clouds over fields of May.


On a quiet crag where old ghosts meet,
I see her climbing away from me,
So hurriedly, I strive to see.
For I have climbed not as I should,
A creature made of clay.
When the angel woos, the girl will lose,
Her wings at the dawn of day.


Nickers













 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Keep the muse burning within, Nick!

Here's one entitled Brad Pitt (based on Elizabeth Barrett Browning's 'How Do I Love thee')

How do I climb thee?! Let me count the ways.
I'll climb thee by a stretch and lunge to the height
My arms can reach, when the jug that's out of sight
Will feel my fingers slot into place.
I'll climb thee by means of chalk-drenched layaways
Most sly of heel and toe and finger-might.
I'll climb thee nearly, till the moves are right.
I'll climb thee purely, so none can turn from praise.
I'll climb thee with the passion of rock's muse
With my bold dreams, and with my childlike faith.
I'll climb thee with a love I seemed to lose
With repeated falls. I love with the breath,
Sweat, tears, of all my life; and, if Rock choose,
I SHALL climb thee before I enter unto death!
OP Marc Chrysanthou 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: Robert Frost's "The Road Not Taken" (I only need 24 more posts/poems for a 300-poster thread - a bit like a 4-poster bed but more likely to induce sleep zzzzzz)

Two ropes diverged (unlike the book said they should)
And sorry I could not drag up both,
Fearing dreadful rope drag, long I stood
Then sent down one as safe as I could
Like a snake into the undergrowth

Then I took the other, safest of the pair
Having perhaps the better gear chain
Because it ran truer, and wanted wear
Though as for that, the sharp edges there
Had worn them really about the same

On that wall my strength ebbed away
I saw no means of turning back
Two ropes diverged (not as they should) and I -
I chose the one less snaggled by
Doubt, and when I fell, it made all the difference.
DaveH 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

You can always tell when it's the end of term at university, because suddenly the boards are full of your postings!
 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DaveH: <The boards are full of my postings> It's just a ritual of mine - I like to go round every classroom and leave a little poem, doodle, inspirational message on every board (blackboard or whiteboard) or flip chart (if no board in situ). Don't you have any strange academic ritual....
 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: BTW I'm waiting for Dazman, Dave Garnett, Nick, Duncan, Evil Twin or Paul Saunders to come up with the goods and take me through the magic 300 barrier. Then I can die a happy bard...."Tired with all these for restful death I cry!"
DaveH 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> Don't you have any strange academic ritual....

No, but I did celebrate the end of term by staying late on Tuesday, getting locked in the building, setting off the alarm and thus causing security to be despatched to investigate...
Clauso 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DaveH:
> (In reply to Marc Chrysanthou)
>
> ... because suddenly the boards are full of your postings!

Well, it makes a nice change from the post being full of his broads. Surely I'm not the only one who's been pestered by him and his incessant mailshots promoting his newly opened, and latest get-rich-quick venture, "The Todmorden Massage and Poodle Parlour"?
Evil Twin 1 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
Ahhhh - so I'm allowed back in the SCR when you have targets to meet am I?!

See what I can do!
 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1: For god's sake, don't bear grudges. Welcome on board from all in the SCR. You write like a man, climb like a man, by golly, you even look.......er, better stop there if I want more contributions
 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DaveH: Dave, I'm sure that young hunk in security's getting a bit tired of the sad gay middle-aged mid-life crisis-ridden academic locked in his office routine!!
DaveH 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to DaveH) Dave, I'm sure that young hunk in security's getting a bit tired of the sad gay middle-aged mid-life crisis-ridden academic locked in his office routine!!

Such is my prestige and standing within our university, that the security man came round checking all the offices but didn't bother to look in mine...!

DaveH 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:
> (In reply to DaveH)
> [...]
>
> his newly opened, and latest get-rich-quick venture, "The Todmorden Massage and Poodle Parlour"?

Ah, that will explain the upsurge in poodle-theft on the outskirts of Manchester.

 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DaveH: Bugger! Did those oafs at The Gazette misprint my ad? It's The Todmorden Messenger Poodle Parlour - it's a fashionable alternative to post or email. They can deliver messages anywhere from Buxton to Hathersage and all points in between. One of the little blighter's got run over this morning (even with his dying breath, he scratched out the message in his blood).
Evil Twin 1 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Ummm Thank you ............. I think!!

Here's a little, probably highly inaccurate, dedication to some of the poets here. Thought we could do with a touch of Robert Louis Stevenson:

My brew is nearly ready and the sun has left the sky
It’s time to find a comfy rock to see Marc C go by
For every night at teatime and before you pack your bag
With rope and some protection he comes walking up the crag

Now Nick would be boulderer and Duncun turn to sport
And Dazman goes a scrambling, not as often as he ought
But I, when I am stronger and can choose what I’m to do,
O Marc C, I’ll come down the crag, and climb on grit with you

For we are very luck, with the peaks before our door
And Marc C stops to climb a route as he’s climbed so many more
And oh! Before you hurry by with rope to your belay
Oh Marc C, see young Evil Twin and nod to her today
Clauso 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DaveH:
> (In reply to DazMan)
> [...]
>
> Ah, that will explain the upsurge in poodle-theft on the outskirts of Manchester.

It beggars belief doesn't it? You'd have thought that the authorities would have cottoned on to it by now?

FACT - upsurge in the theft of poodles in the Greater Manchester area.

FACT - Sudden appearance of lots of working girls on the streets, attired in very peculiar-looking fur coats.

FACT - MarcC acquires a sudden injection of wealth, and exhibits extravagant spending habits - i.e. trades in his tricounis for Anasazis, ditches his hemp ropes, pays for a replacement eagle-eye for Kirk along with a Desert Rat suit, new collar for Gorple, flea powder for Grey Ruff... Need I go on?
DaveH 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> One of the little blighter's got run over this morning (even with his dying breath, he scratched out the message in his blood).

Yes, and I got the message thanks. But if it's all the same to you I think I'll pass up the opportunity for climbing the Ben naked on Christmas Day. My mum's promised to cook some of her special mince pies. Do you want me to return the remains of Little Nipper?
 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DaveH: Nah, your Mum can mix Nipper into her mince pies.
 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1: Delightful. Though the line about me climbing many routes is a bit fanciful (true, I DID once climb up a bit of a rock to retrieve my frisbee when I was on holiday with my parents in Cornwall 30 years ago).

Oh, and a slight variation of the last line of the first verse would be a better observation of Dazman: "With hope and some 'protection' he comes walking up to the slag".
 Marc C 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: You owl-faced sad old loser - lucky for you the Police treat your accusations with the humorous contempt they deserve, and, lucky too, that I'm too much of a gentleman to bother initiating defamation proceedings. Here! (tosses pound coin) Get yourself a nice hot cup of tea and stop bothering the ordinary decent hardworking sorts on this forum
OP G Tiger Esq. 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

apologies to Ogden Nash...



In the world of climbers
there are no rhymers
Clauso 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> You owl-faced sad old loser...

Oi! That's quite enough of that! There's a word for people like you, who cast insults around about decent folks countenances. It's 'Faceist'. Hitler, and Mussolini were good examples of Faceists, and look what happened to them?

... As for the 'sad old loser' comment. You weren't saying that when you were attempting to get me out of the house to go and collect pizzas the other month, were you? No, I was the best thing since sliced bread then, wasn't I?... Come to think of it, my girlfriend of the time seemed very insistent that I went too... But she declined to accompany me?... And how come I had to drive to Birmingham for them?... It's almost as if you wanted me out of the way?

Evil Twin 1 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:
Oi, oi oi oi!!!!!
We'll have none of that behaviour in the SCR. Do I need to remind you both S stands for SENIOR. So for once will you both act your age, tuck in those shirts, straighten those ties and act your age before I have to bang your heads together!
Clauso 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> Oi, oi oi oi!!!!!
>
> We'll have none of that behaviour in the SCR.... before I have to bang your heads together!

Who on Earth elected a woman as Chair of the SCR committee? I must havemissed the hustings. It would never have happened in my day! Good Lord, they'll be serving lager in here next!...

The place is going downhill I tell you. Anyhow, '...bang your heads together'? What nonsense. It's well known that the penalty for arguing and name calling is to be sentenced to be spanked in a bath full of jam.
Evil Twin 1 17 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:
I don't know anything about baths or jam...... but don't go thinking you're too big to go over my knee
 Simon Caldwell 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
I have
No poem. But wanted
To be
the 300th post.
Dom Orsler 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

I think

You'll find

That's me
 Simon Caldwell 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Dom Orsler:
Dom
You are wrong.
The forum list
Says you have missed
It by one.
Ho hum.

Nick Alcock 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Chalk Fever
by: Mag C Arbonate.

I must dip my hands in the chalkbag again,
Although they're quite bone dry,
I get this affliction now and then,
Can anyone tell me why?


Nickers
Clauso 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> I don't know anything about baths or jam...... but don't go thinking you're too big to go over my knee

Fine, I'll bring my own jam then... I take it that you're not allergic to owls?... Are you going to write it all up in the punishment book as protocol dictates?
 sutty 17 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

All I can do is limericks.

There was a young lady from Leeds,
Who climbs gritstone cracks till her hands bleeds,
She sauntered up Beeline, Green Crack and Birdlime,
Anni the climber from Leeds.
innes 17 Dec 2003
In reply to sutty:

Maybe change the last line to

Anni, the girl with high needs

?
Nick Alcock 17 Dec 2003
In reply to innes:
> (In reply to sutty)
>
> Maybe change the last line to
>
> Anni, the girl with high needs
>
> ?

Why? Prey tell?

Nickers

 sutty 17 Dec 2003
In reply to innes:

Are you speaking from experience?

innes 17 Dec 2003
In reply to sutty:

I knew you'd say that! No, never met her - just thought it fitted with her online persona (and it scanned a bit better too, if you don't mind me saying so).
 sutty 17 Dec 2003
In reply to innes:

I do not mind in the slightest, it is your turn to bugger some classical poetry up now

I am working on mine.
OP Marc Chalky Chrysanthou 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Mag C Arbonate:

Chalk Addict

I drove a hundred miles to climb
To crack this classic V. Diff line
Alas, all I did was walk
Cause silly me forgot his chalk...


Revenge

To the prankster who filled my chalkbag with talc
That made me laugh, you loon...
Signed, The joker who smeared vaseline on your boots
Hope you get well soon....
OP Marc Chrysanthou 18 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: re: punishment by jam - That explains why, on your application, you said you loved jamming your way up cracks - yet when Nick took you to Stanage it was pretty obvious you'd never handjammed in your life. Mind you, your fisting technique was very impressive..

PS Can you make the punishment protocol a bit clearer - which brand and type of fruit jam should it be (Dave Garnett says Damson, but I've always used Raspberry)?
 sutty 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marcus skiddious;

The jam to use is obviously plum, firmly placed in side of the mouth.
Nick Alcock 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> - yet when Nick took you to Stanage it was pretty obvious you'd never handjammed in your life. Mind you, your fisting technique was very impressive..

I hope, dear boy, you refer to another 'Nick'. The only 'fisting' incident I am aware of was at Froggat way back in '83....

Is there any of that Stilton left, or have you consumed the lot?

Nickers
Clauso 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> PS Can you make the punishment protocol a bit clearer - which brand and type of fruit jam should it be (Dave Garnett says Damson, but I've always used Raspberry)?

There seems to be some crossed wires here. Allow me to untangle them. I never mentioned fruit jam. I referred to being spanked in a bath full of Jam i.e. Paul Weller, Bruce Foxton, and Rick Buckler. I have a particular penchant for Town Called Malice. It's got a driving rhythm that really gets the spanker going. I trust that's sorted things out?
Evil Twin 1 18 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

Can I please remind you all...
There will be NO LOUD MUSIC in the SCR.
Anyone caught listening to anything other than some nice Sibelius or maybe a touch of Brahms will be made to do kit check at 6 in the morning.
Anyone caught eating jam will be sent to Matron to have their mouth washed out with carbolic soap.
Chivers marmalade will be allowed with breakfast, but shall NOT be removed from the dining hall.
And finally I shall administering punishment as I see fit and spankings shall be at my discretion.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1: It HAS to be loud - they're all deaf as posts, the poor old things.

Look, I don't want to sound ungrateful, but you've only been in the SCR a day and already you're causing havoc. When Dazman said we needed "a woman's touch about the plaice" - he was referring to his pet fish that used to be in the aquarium, till you drained ita and turned it into a giant pot pourri and bonsai garden.

Bloody hell!! Who's moved the SCR copy of Hustler and Rambler??
OP Ken Wilson 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Marvellous stuff. All you need now is Drummond and the Ghost of Patey contributing and the Pantheon of Poets will be complete. Marvellously entertaining Christmas fare
Clauso 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Ken Wilson:
> (In reply to Marc Chrysanthou)
>
> Marvellous stuff. All you need now is Drummond and the Ghost of Patey contributing and the Pantheon of Poets will be complete. Marvellously entertaining Christmas fare

That's torn it. Endorsements by Wilson & Stainforth. We'll never hear the end of this now. I can see a new profile entry coming on:

MarcC - RT Laureate, by appointment to climbing authors.

Joe Simpson - If you're looking in, then does us all a favour and keep your gob shut? Marc doesn't need any more encouragement... Besides, he might be tempted to 'improve' Touching the Void. Before you know it, a mountaineering classic will descend into absurdity with details of action men cutting ropes, having to share a crevasse with a badger, being rescued by a climbing beagle etc. etc.
 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Ken Wilson: Thanks Ken (everyone take a bow....)

Here's one based on Christina Rossetti's poignant poem what I wrote earlier (whilst waiting for a train late by 45 minutes - yeah, I know, very unusual circumstance; usually 4-5 days late):

A Negligent Second Remembers (for Steve In Memoriam)

Remember Steve when he's gone astray
Gone far away from the line he plann'd
When, above the wind, he can't understand
Your panick'd call, "the rope's run out all the way".
Remember Steve when no more can he say
'Watch me here, it's a beast this overhang'
Only remember, his life's in your hands
It will be late to counsel then or pray.
Yet if you should forget Steve for a while
And afterwards remember do not grieve
For if he falls as your mind's on leave,
And your ATc's as much hep as a brillo pad -
Better by far forget his blood and bile
Than that you should remember and feel bad.
 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: I've told you...but here for the hundreth time...the film's been cast, the money's been raised, filming's already begun (in Greenland, but stay away!) - Nicole Kidman's playing the Mother Superior who succours me after I'm traumatized by the death of Gorple (played by an animatronic beagle), They've got Jude Law as me, but I'm insisting on 'testing' Nicole to make sure her depiction of the Mother Superior's extra-special nursing of me (as I lay in bed for 3 months, horifically scarred in parts of the body best left to the filmgoing audience's imagination) is authentic.
 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Dazman: Profile updated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clauso 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to Dazman)
>
> Profile updated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<slaps head, shakes head, loses will to live>

Paul Saunders 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> Profile updated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Now! A gentleman doesn't boast or brag. Terribly bad form.

Could this have anything to do with that cracking filly in the common room?

That caddish boy Marc Chrysanthou,
He tendeth to digress,
Hell always tell you rather more,
Instead of rather less,

He's out to impress Evil Twin,
It her that he admires,
He'll lead the girl, to ruin,
In short he is a liar!

Our lovely Twin with raven hair,
Is causing quite a fuss,
And many of the "old boys" wish,
That she'd smear jam on us.

A womans place is in the home,
And in the bedroom also.
The common room is not for those,
With boobs upon their torso.

Suggest you check the rules old man,
and then you'll have to tell her,
You can't allow her in the club,
With your restraining order...
OP Anonymous 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

In response..........

Oh remember the girl, that beautiful girl
The one with the raven hair
They’d captured a glimpse, a fleeting glimpse
Of the girl with the skin so fair

She stalked around the Common Room
Around the murmuring boys
The firelight danced on her raven hair
And then they heard her voice

They remembered her voice, her powerful voice
As it broke the evening calm
If you continue to take this tone with me, this tone of prejudice
This wonderful girl with the raven hair will make sure you come to harm

The called the local copper
This girl with the flaxen hair
The way these boys are treating me
Officer, it just isn’t fair

They remembered well her beautiful eyes, eyes of the deepest brown
The hint of a sneer, her sidelong glare
Made their way to their hearts, their worried, fearful hearts
They feared this vision, this siren vision they made them look and stare

She called the equal ops people
And read the boys their rights
The words flew from her cherry lips
She was prepared to fight

They remembered their dream, a fearsome dream
This girl would have their balls
For this exquisite girl with the raven hair
Could fill their hearts with thoughts of dread, a fearsome dread so very dreadful

She approached the chair by the fireside
And smiled as she took her seat
The gentle girl with the raven hair
Would rule the boys as they sat at her feet
 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

Dear Ms. Evil Twin 1,
It has come to the attention of the members of the Senior Common Room (Olde Rockfaxians College) that youy lack certain vital criteria for membership of our august body. I am of course referring to your lack of
a colonial manservant, lack of a fully-stocked wine cellar, absence of symptoms of gout, lack of a stable of polo ponies, and, less important (but not trifling), your lack of male genitalia (not to be confused, as in Dazman's case, shortcomings in said department - the SCR medical committee agreed that there was evidence in Mr. Jackson's case of vestigial male genitalia - though only after scrupulous examination of the photographs).

I know it will seem beastly and unfair to ask you to hand in your blazer, cummerbund, college tie, and key to the wine cellar, when you have only been admitted for one day. However, duty moves me - whereas when I was vulnerable (and in need of 300 posts to my thread), it might be said that beauty moved me.

You have undertaken sterling service to the members of the SCR. Indeed, you have made many old men very happy. Gordon in particular enjoyed the jam bath and the therapeutic spankings.

We will, of course, be happy to provide a testimonial for your future employer. The SCR portraits and silverware have never looked so pristine and sparkling.

Sincerely yours
Marc C. (RT Laureate by appointment to climbing poublishers)
OP Evil Twin in the SCR 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Anonymous:
Oops that was me!
Sorry it's a bit rough around the edges, but hey it's the best I could do in 15 minutes!

ET1
 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders: Sorry. I'm an old man who got seduced by a pretty young filly. Such a cliche.
No fool like an old fool. If the other members so wish I'll do the deent thing with the ancestral revolver*

* No Dazman, don't volunteer! I didn't say 'do the indecent thing with the kestrel and the thermometer'!



 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin in the SCR: I beg you, please leave. Now! Before I set Quilp on you.
OP Anonymous 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
Dear Mr C

Please excuse the brevity of my response, but truthfully I feel that exerting too much effort in correspondance with yourself would be a tragic waste of oxygen.

Please expect Fanshaw this afternoon around 1500 hours (I assume this will cause maximum inconvenience by disrupting your afternoon tea). He shall be there to collect the deeds of the building which encorporates the SCR as, using the money inherited from my great-great-grandfather Dr Evil, I have purchased the College, the Library and the SCR.

I am sure you have a keen interest in my plans for the building. Do not worry it shall be put to good use. I am converting it into a training centre for young girls from council estates.

Yours sincerely

Ms Twin
Nick Alcock 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to Paul Saunders) Sorry. I'm an old man who got seduced by a pretty young filly. Such a cliche.
> No fool like an old fool. If the other members so wish I'll do the deent thing with the ancestral revolver*


No need for that old boy. Have a large brandy. Where's that damned waiter? What?

Nickers

 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Smithers? You fired him, remember? Said Evil Twin 1 could attend to you 'more fulsomely'....
 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Anonymous: Crikey, if this is true, it's very bad news indeed! Better call an Extraordinary Meeting of the Council of Elders. Where's Sutty when you need him?

1500 hours....hmm...that's 5 o'clock..no! that's not it! Have to multiply by 24 then divide by 12...something like that....never done it since the D-Day landing..and even then I got mixed up (i'm the unknown officer who ordered a whole battalion to their deaths because I told them to land on the beach at 7 - thinking that's what 1300 meant - and they got blown to smithereens by the bloofy Jerries). Bugger! I've wet myself.....Smithers?! Smithers?!
Nick Alcock 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Surely not dear chap. That was Wednesday. Who is this Evil chap? What? More wine? Indians!
 Marc C 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Go back to sleep Nicholas! Everything will be all right. Young Garnett's just gone for the gatling gun and some reinforcements. We'll cut them off at the pass and surround them. A bit of sheffield steel will make them think again before they plan another uprising. Remember the mutiny of 1947? When the waiters refused to serve Pimms on the lawns. Hanging the ringleaders soon bucked up their ideas....

Smithers? Smithers?! Oh, what the blazes! I'll blame it on the cat's incontinence...
Paul Saunders 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin in the SCR:

Dear Ms Twin,

As Secretary to Marc C. - RT Laureate by appointment to climbing publishers, (The power behind the throne if you will), It falls to me to reply to your abortive take over bid.

Unfortunately as the building is held in trust by the members, which it pains me to say you are no longer, your bid is likely to be rebuffed. Despite your beautiful and fulsome stanzas, which we all admire so, all our members are determined to implenent our archaic and undemocratic "block vote system" to ensure the club continues under our direction. Your bid to creat an "individual female members club" while entertaining is not of consequence to us.

I can only apologise for any offence caused through the actions of our weak willed womanising president, but consider yourself fortunate... I hear from the other members that he is a very selfish lover.

Regardless of this, be assured that I will act in the best interests of the members at all times. I suggest you take up our earlier offer of a settlement before it is withdrawn.

Paul Saunders (Secretary to his portliness Marc C.)


PS Meet me at the side door at 11 this evening I'll have the silverware and plane tickets. Wear the Prana Hoodie you wore the first time we...

Eternally yours

Cute little grit bunnywunnykins.
Nick Alcock 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

Missing
AA Milne (A favourite, I believe, of Ms. Twin. Didn't he used to be a member. What?)

Has anyone seen my chalkball?
I opened his bag for half a minute,
Just to make sure he was really in it,
And while I was looking, he jumped outside!
I tried to catch him, I tied and I tried….
I think he may have run to the hall,
Has anyone seen my chalkball?

Uncle Marc, have you seen my chalkball?

Just a small sort of chalkball, a dear little white one,
He came from the country, he wasn’t a town one,
So he’ll feel all lonely in a London street;
Why, what could he possibly find to eat?
He must be somewhere. I’ll ask Evil Twin:
Have you seen a chalkball with a cover that’s thin ?
He’s just got out….

Hasn’t anyone seen my chalkball?



Nickers.
Dom Orsler 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

Not
According to my
Browser

Ho


Hum
Paul Saunders 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Forgiven

-- A.A. Milne --

I had a little Camalot, so that Cammy was his name.
And I called him "my life-saver" and he answered just the same.
I clipped him to my harness, and I climbed throughout the day...

And I couldn't get the bugger out
Yes I couldn't get the bugger out
She went and over cammed it
And it stays there to this day.

My partner said she didn't mean it,
And I never said she did,
She said she just got frantic
And she shoved it in
too deep.

She said that she was sorry, but it's difficult to place
A a perfect four cam unit when youre clinging to the face.
She said that she was sorry, and I really mustn't mind,
As there's lots of other abandoned gear which she's certain we could find,
If we looked about on Stanage on the routes beginners climb.
And we'd get another Camalot and mark it up as mine.

We went to all the places where piece would often stick.
With butter knives and engine oil to make the placement slick,
And as I strained against the rock, and I felt the crowbar bend
A ton of rock went groundwards and I got another friend.

And my partners very sorry too, for you-know-what she did.
And she's wrapping brand new marking tape very tightly round the clip
So She and Me are friends ... because it's difficult to place,
An expensive four cam unit when you're clinging to the face.

Pete W 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders: You are a genius sir. Funny as hell. Thanks Pete
Nick Alcock 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

Sir. You excell yourself. What? Where's that damned waiter?
Howard J 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

What a wonderful thread! I can't aspire to the literary heights of some of the other contributers, so with apologies to Marriot Edgar and Stanley Holloway:

ALBERT AND THE CARTHORSE

There’s a famed gritstone crag known as Stanage
As is noted for fresh air and fun
And Mr and Mrs Ramsbottom
Went there wi' young Albert, their son

A fine little climber, were Albert
In his Stone Monkey vest, quite a swell
He’d a new pair of boots, and a harness
The finest that Cotswold could sell

Well, he didn’t think much of the gritstone
The holds were all rounded and small
There were no gear, and some chance of falling
In fact, nothing to laugh at, at all

So seeking for further amusement
And for something exciting to do
He went to climb Helfenstein’s Struggle
That’s a Diff (though it should be E2!)

Well he shinned up the bottom right easy
Like a monkey goes straight up a pole
But the upper part gets a bit narrow
And it swallowed the little lad whole

Well, he twisted and turned in his prison
And he tried to get out with an udge
But no matter how hard he wriggled
The poor little lad couldn’t budge

Now Ma, who had seen the occurrence
And not knowing what to do next
She said, “Pa, yon climb’s ate our Albert!”
And Father said, “Ee, I am vexed!”

Well, they couldn’t extract little Albert
By tugging the end of his line
Then someone said, “Call Mountain Rescue”
So they went and they rang 999

Now the Rescue weren’t too sympathetic
When they heard about Albert’s mishap
In fact, most of them fell about laughing
And one fellow started to clap

“Oh, won’t you come quickly?" cried Mother
Who was now in a bit of a state
“Nay, there’s no point in coming this weekend,
Not until the young lad’s lost some weight!”

So it wasn’t until the next weekend
That the Rescue Team turned out in force
With lots of cold beer and jam butties,
And a long piece of rope - and a horse!

Now, the name of the carthorse were Wallace
He were worth every penny o’ t’ hire
He’d won every prize going for pulling
He were best horse in all Derbyshire

So they tied end o’ t’ rope onto Wallace
And he pulled like he’d sommat to prove
But in spite of his very best efforts
Young Albert, he still couldn’t move

Wallace pulled, and he kept on pulling
But it seemed they were right out of luck
‘Til Wallace were nearly exhausted
And the Team Leader muttered, “Oh, bother!”

Then he gathered the Team all around him
And said, “Now lads, come listen to me
Someone must go down to Buxton
And come straight back here wi’ Plan B”

When the man came back, some hours later,
They all knew this would be their last hope
He’d a bucket of green Fairy Liquid
Mixed with old engine oil, and soap

They emptied the bucket on Albert
And they greased him from bottom to top
Then they tied the rope back onto Wallace
And the Team Leader shouted, “Gee-up!”

Then Wallace, he strained every sinew
This were no Sunday afternoon stroll!
With a noise like an elephant farting
Young Albert popped out of his hole

He flew through the air, quite a distance
And came down to land on some grass
With nothing to show for his mishap
But a nasty black bruise on his elbow

Then Albert he turned to his mother
Who was still looking rather perplexed
And said “Eh, Mother, that were right smashing,
Can I do Right Unconquerable next?”

At that Mother got proper blazing!
“This climbing’s too dangerous a game!
Next weekend, we’re going back to Blackpool
You can play with that lion again!”


In reply to Howard J:

Brilliant, wonderful! I think this has got to be one of the most scintillating dtp threads there's ever been.
Nick Alcock 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Ah, Gordon. Welcome, Can I sign you in? Take that leather seat over by the fire. Waiter? What are you having, Gordon old boy? Marc, you've met Gordon. Drinks all round. Smithers! Good God, what is the club coming to. Smithers!.....
OP Anonymous 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

well old man I must say I had more fun last time I took a bath in concentrated sulphuric acid but there you go - horses for courses eh !
Nick Alcock 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard J:

Howard. What can I say? Tears in the eyes, tears down the cheeks.

Nickers
Red Sonja 18 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard J:

Great !
I was wondering how to do that one, but you did a good job on it.
Anyone for "what price thy maple ?" "three ha'pence a foot" ?
In reply to Anonymous:

The last time you took a bath in sulphuric acid? Obviously it was very diluted. You'll find your level of fun will increase if you don't have it so diluted 'next time' you take a dip. Just passing on advice.
 sutty 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard J:

Howard, do you realise I nearly died laughing?

'Oh bother' indeed. brilliant!
 Simon Caldwell 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> one of the most scintillating dtp threads there's ever been

still not dtp though
Clauso 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard J:
> (In reply to Marc Chrysanthou)
>
> ALBERT AND THE CARTHORSE
>
> There’s a famed gritstone crag known as Stanage
> As is noted for fresh air and fun
> And Mr and Mrs Ramsbottom
> Went there wi' young Albert, their son

A most excellent effort Sir! A few more like that, and you may even get considered for membership of the Olde Rockfaxians College. Who knows, if we grease the wheels and get a move on with the committees, you may have your club tie and blazer by as early as.... oh, I don't know.... 2015 or so?... That's assuming that Evil Twin1 doesn't blackball you as she's prone to treat most chaps... Should never have given them the vote... A woman's plaice is in the home... Seems to think she's the life and sole of the party... And another ling, while I think of it,... Good cod, I'm really losing it now. Smithers! Smithers! Put more lithium in it next time. There's a good chap.
Nick Alcock 19 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

Haven't seen Smithers for ages, old chap. Damn it, where is the man?
OP Evil Twin hungover 19 Dec 2003

> Haven't seen Smithers for ages, old chap. Damn it, where is the man?

Muhahahahahaha heheheh!!
 Dave Garnett 19 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

What ho chaps! Sorry, I've been been off on a bit of a sabbatical and now it's almost time to go down for the Crimbo vac. No-one seems to have done any Walt Whitman yet so maybe I'll see what I can do.

Funny, I thought I saw a woman in here just now. Presumably one of the scouts in to do the tree, what?
In reply to Simon Caldwell:
> (In reply to Gordon Stainforth)
> [...]
>
> still not dtp though

still in the wrong forum, then; though admittedly this is the Senior Common Room and not a common pub

Nick Alcock 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin hungover:

Ok. What have you done with poor old Smithers? What?
Chaps, there's something afoot in the Club this morning.
Waiter! More champagne. Damn it ! Where is the man? Confound it!
Evil Twin 1 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
As soon as the mysogynistic, brandy-soaked, cigar smoking, ex-army, geriatric Old Rockfaxians acknowledge that not only is it just and fair for there to be women in the SCR, but actually imperitive to maintain the levels of wit, beauty, common sense and effective punishment - I shall return Smithers, at the moment I'm keeping him busy. I've never had such a good spring clean.......

NB:
Of course we shouldn't let just any women in - only those in tweed, who have been members of the Pony Club, have played Lacrosse at a minimum of couty level and drink sweety sherry.
 Simon Caldwell 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> still in the wrong forum, then

dear mr moderator
please don't move this thread as I'm enjoying it and can't be bothered to wade through the complete piffle dtp to find it...
 sutty 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

You would never find this stuff in the pubs I go to. You may find it in a hut or with mates when caping in dreich weather.
Here it will last longer than DTP as well.
In reply to sutty:

Yes, very good point, it must stay in RT and be archived.
Nick Alcock 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

> NB:
> Of course we shouldn't let just any women in - only those in tweed, who have been members of the Pony Club, have played Lacrosse at a minimum of couty level and drink sweety sherry.

Well I don't know about my fellow members but that sounds spiffing to me (Or am I being unduly influenced by the fact that , ahem, you seem to be of the, how can I put this delicately? female persuasion)...

Damn it We need Smithers, confound the man. Where's my pipe tobacco?

dinkypen 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:
> Of course we shouldn't let just any women in - only those in tweed, who have been members of the Pony Club, have played Lacrosse at a minimum of couty level and drink sweety sherry.

Does 2 out of 4 count? Would membership be considered to those who are not of the overly poetic persuasion? I am quite good in a pinny, could offer my services as a temporary replacement for Smithers and would treat these dear old Rockfaxians with the humble humility that their sincere poetic dalliances deserve.......
dinkypen 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
>
> Well I don't know about my fellow members but that sounds spiffing to me (Or am I being unduly influenced by the fact that , ahem, you seem to be of the, how can I put this delicately? female persuasion)...
>
Err, that is not entirely beyond the realms of possibility is it?
Nick Alcock 19 Dec 2003
In reply to dinkypen:
> (In reply to Nick Alcock)
> [...]
> Err, that is not entirely beyond the realms of possibility is it?

It certainly is in this case. What?............

(But not in another) Damn it! More champagne! SMITHERS!

OP Marc Chrysanthou 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth: Blame me (or give praise!)...
I reckoned a) the thread was about rock climbing and, more importantly, b) it would be archived (what a shame to have all these wonderful poems just disappear into the ether!)

Oh, Smithers...that'll do for now...I feel a lot more relaxed now.sterling effort! Never knew stilton would taste so nice as from a manservant's 'plate' ..but you'd better get yourself down to the SCR - they'll be waiting for their mid-morning coffee with The Telegraph.
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

I give praise!
 Duncan Bourne 19 Dec 2003
In reply to sutty: With apologies to Rudyard Kipling

By the Vaynol arms, Nant Peris in the early afternoon
There’s a bored young lass a waitin for a lift arranged at noon
The sun is on the high crags, she is keen to be away
But her partner’s stuck in traffic on the by-pass near Conwy
“I did hope to climb today
on Craig Ddu just down the way
which I’m told is in condition
on this sunny summer’s day”
On the road that winds its way
Through the cliffs where climbers play
And the traffic roars like thunder
Up the pass from far-away

‘Er Gortex coat were yeller and ‘er flowin ‘air was wild
the time was gettin on an’ she were gettin rilled
as she stood there with ‘er mobile a whackin out a text
you could tell from ‘er expression that she were mighty vexed!
But she was out of signal range
Which really isn’t strange
‘cos it’s hard to get a message through
this lofty mountain range
on the road that winds it’s way….

T’was arranged last week at North Face and confirmed again last night
They planned the details on the phone, the forecast was quite bright
She was in Llanberis and he in Liverpool
He said it was an hours drive, she thought “the bloody fool!”
It’s a holiday weekend
And it no use to pretend
That you can travel swiftly with caravans a’plenty
And road works on each bend!
On the road that winds it’s way…

“I am sick of wasting time on a partner far away
and a park’n’ride that doesn’t seem to work Bank Holiday
I’ll find a handy bunkhouse where I can ditch my kit
Then wander down to Cromlech and boulder for a bit”
With that the young lass sighed
And fished out a dog-eared guide
And perused it as she calmly
Stuck her thumb out for a ride
On the road that winds it’s way…..

“Oh leave me in North Wales where one can climb all day
working up a mighty hunger for a meal at Pete’s Café
for the Vaynol Arms is calling me to sink another pint
and plan multi-pitch adventures beneath the star-flecked night
so no rain tonight I pray
on the rugged rocks so grey
for Craig Ddu is in condition
I ‘ear the local climbers say
On the road that winds it’s way
Through the cliffs where climbers play
And the traffic roars like thunder
Up the pass from far away

Nick Alcock 19 Dec 2003
In reply to dinkypen:

OK. But I'll have to raise it at the next committee meeting.....Remind me, when is that? What? Papers in yet Smithers?
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

BTW, the last two lines of my modest contribution - amidst all this brilliance - can be improved to read:

In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

...
Brewed Squawk knows how recently. Ron-Hill-less, I clip on
My quickdraws in awkward reverence.

[But there's still the whole rest of the poem to do some time. Shouldn't be too difficult, but really haven't got time now.]
In reply to Duncan Bourne:

Great stuff. It would be fun to sing it drunkenly in a pub some time, with that wonderful old music hall tune.
Clauso 19 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

A festive contribution

Climbing in a Gritstone Wonderland

Hexes ring
are you listening
on your rack
nuts are glistening
A beautiful sight
we're happy and bright
climbing in a gritstone wonderland

Gone away is the Ouzel
we can jam and bamboozle
A spectating throng
as we go along
climbing in a Stanage wonderland

On the crag top we can build a belay
shouting "Climb when ready." at the ground
He'll say: "Are you tied in?"
We'll say: "No man!"
"And if you take a lob
then I'll fall down."

Later on
we'll perspire
as we smear up Messiah
And dangle afraid
on routes that Don made
climbing in a Burbage wonderland

In the meadow we can find a boulder
and attempt to start it sitting down
We'll use lots of chalk until our shoulder
pops and leaves us writhing on the ground

Heaven knows
ain't it thrilling
Though your tips take a killing
We'll frolic and play
the whole of the day
climbing in a gritstone wonderland

Climbing in a gritstone wonderland
Climbing in a gritstone wonderland
OP Gorple Chrysanthou 20 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Seasonal, hey? Well how about this little ditty?

O little hound of Todmorden, how shrill we hear thee cry!
Jammed in so deep a crack so steep, so Marc C can climb up high
Yet in thy dark jaws yearneth the ever-lurking bite;
The pain and fear of the cruel years will be set free here tonight.

For he has learned ‘Be wary’, fearful of the glove,
While Gorple seeps, his owner leaps and kicks him from above.
O clamp thy jaws together, and bite for all thy worth,
Re-venge bring to beagle kin, and bring Marc down to earth!

How violently, how violently, this beagle’s gift is giv’n;
Gorple imparts to Marc C’s arse, and his Ron Hills are riv’n.
Our ears may hear him screaming, he falls with such a din,
And this weak soul receives a blow from a rusty sardine tin.

O holy hound of Todmorden, descend to earth we pray;
Cut out Marc’s sin with jagged tin and make him rue this day.
We hear the Calderdale Rangers the great glad tidings tell
Rejoice with us, come climb with us, our dog King Gorpuell.
Clauso 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Gorple Chrysanthou:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
>... Rejoice with us, come climb with us, our dog King Gorpuell.

Brilliant! I'm going to print this out and force my guests to sing it on Christmas Day... A rendition or two wouldn't go amiss in the SCR either. The chaps have been in good voice recently. Last night's rousing chorus of Jerusalem was particularly well received.

Nick Alcock 20 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

Rejoice indeed! pip, pip.

Nick
OP Marc Chrysanthou 20 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Jerusalem? Surely you mean...

'And did Joe's feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's moorlands green?
And was the holy jamming god
On England's rough steep grit cracks seen?'

In fine voice I agree - but who was that 'man' with a soprano-like voice in the armchair by the dartboard (your 'improvement' I believe?). Is that impostor Evil Twin 1 still about?
 hoseyb 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:


grey fissure shifting and swallowing
I am drawn deeper into the belly of the steps of cirith ungol
may i lie in shelobs lair
alone amongst the shifting tide
the raining scree and sliding blocks
and nobody know that I've gone

xs you see is a curious place
neither clear in its purpose
or hesitant in its warning
it repels the sane to tick tock clarity
but draws the elect to darkeness
into its bosom

there I would lie still
if I hadn't the drive
and the fear of failure
below lies Tasmania
to fall would be to slip off the world
but up lies terror

a host of swords of Damocles
a slate serac
a blanket waiting to smother
a need to pull on points
each one a potential keystone
for the crag to put me to bed

to bury fear and swallow thought
to move and not to count cost
to unearth holds
unstable edges
weight bearing even
gripped I grip and tunnel on

Daylight as I leave that cleft
palming scree and clutching dirt
grey my face
my clothes
the sky
But grey my heart will never be





Cheers Mark! great thread, makes me wish I returned to RT more often. Let me know when you're next passing through Llanberis, I'd love a chance for a sup of port and chat.

Hosey


Ps. it was Buffer in a crack house If anyone wants to repeat it.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 20 Dec 2003
In reply to hoseyb: Great to see you put in an appearance.
We in the SCR don't get out so much these days - we're petitioning for a Stanner chairlift to be installed on Cloggy, but you know what these eco-fascists are like!

Here's another offering (surpised noone's tried it earlier)

Tyger on the Eiger

Eiger! Eiger! burning bright
Like a monster cloaked in white,
What mere mortal hand and eye
Could tame thy fierce geology?

To thy citadel of sighs,
Comes a man with fiery eyes;
On what wings dare he aspire?
What brave man dare risk thy ire?

What broad shoulders and what art,
Could cross the icefields at thy heart?
And when thy heart begins to beat,
What firm hand and what sure feet?

With Thor-like hammer and cool brain,
The Hinterstoisser’s ghost is slain;
With pterodactyl in sure grasp,
He dares thy deadly terrors clasp.

When The Spider spews its spears,
And shatters helmets, inflames fears;
Did he smile with dreadful glee?
Did the man from Grindenwald climb thee?

Eiger! Eiger! Burning bright,
Like a monster cloaked in white;
What mere mortal hand and eye
Dared tame thy fierce geology?
Red Sonja 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

> Eiger! Eiger! burning bright
> Like a monster cloaked in white,

Brilliant !
Nick Alcock 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

More angst, I'm afraid.

Tangled up in Blue

Early one morning the sun was shining,
I was laying in bed
Thinking of all the routes I’d done
Running them round in my head.
Memories of days together,
Some of them were rough
I never did like the long run outs,
The gear was never big enough.
And I was standing by the side of the rock
Rain falling on my shoes
Heading up for the big lead
Lord knows I’ve paid some dues getting through
Tangled up in blue.

The crags were dark when we first met
Soon to be lit by the sun
I started out with a jam, I guess,
But I used a little too much force.
We climbed that route as high as we could
Abandoned it out left
Split up on a dark sad night
Both agreeing it was best
She turned round to look at me
As I was climbing down
I heard her say over my shoulder,
“We’ll meet again some day it’s true,”
Tangled up in blue.

I had a trip to the American rocks
Climbing hard for a spell
But I never did push it very much
And one day my leader fell.
So I drifted back to the climbs at home
Where at least I knew the score
Climbing for a while down south
To the sound of the ocean’s roar.
But all the time I was alone,
The past was close behind,
I’d done a lot of routes
But she’d never escaped my mind, and I just grew
Tangled up in blue.

She was climbing in an indoor place,
And I stopped in for a look,
I just kept looking at her style and grace
As deep inside I shook.
And later as the crowd thinned out,
I was about to start a climb
She was standing there on a belay
Said to me “Don’t I know your name?”
She studied the lines on my face,
I must admit I felt a little strange
When she took off my climbing shoe
Tangled up in blue.

She chalked up, and offered me the rope
“I thought you’d never say hello," she said
“I’d given up all hope”.
Then she opened up an old guidebook,
And handed it to me
Written by a Scottish man
From the last century.
And every one of those climbs I knew
And every move stood out
Pouring off of every page
Like they were written in my soul, from me to you
Tangled up in blue.

I lived with them in Llanberis
In a basement down the stairs,
There was climbing on the slate by day
And revolution in the air.
Then she started climbing alone
And something inside of me died.
I sold all the gear I owned
And froze up inside.
And finally when the fun ran out
I became withdrawn,
The only thing I knew how to do
Was to keep on, keeping on the way I knew
Tangled up in blue.

So now I’m going back again,
I’ve got to get back to the climbs
All the routes I used to know
They’re an illusion to me now.
Some are steep
Some are steep and cold
Don’t know how it all got started,
I don’t know if they’ve changed the grades
But me, I’m still on the rock
Heading for another crag
We always did feel the same
We just saw it from a different point of view,
Tangled up in blue.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Oh, Nick, Nick...oh dear...it's going to be a long night of the soul in the SCR tonight I can see! To be honest the chaps were looking forwards to a screening of The Browning Version (the original with Michael Redgrave), now it looks like we'll have to get out the port and cigars and hear you re-tell your life story and try to put our finger on EXACTLY where it all went wrong......suggest reading Frost's 'The Road Not Taken' and Kipling's 'If'. Stiff upper lip old chap. Damn it all! You're British (well sort of)! Pull yourself together....no time for navel-gazing and melancholy (too bloody continental a trait for my liking)and, after all, a woman's just a woman, but a good cigar's a smoke.

Smithers?! Smithers?! Oh, where the f**k's he scarpered off to now? Never employ a homosexual manservant ever again. Dazman's idea. I knew it would never work.
Nick Alcock 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

I say, The Browning Version, one of my favourites. That would be quite uplifting.
When you see Dazman, could you give him a flea in the ear, that damned Smithers gave me cold cocoa last night! Didn't sleep a wink. And what was that kerfuffle in your room last night? Sounded like you had a herd of wildebeest in there.

SMITHERS? Blast your eyes, where's my brandy and hot water?
OP Smithers 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Coming! right away sir. Sorry sir.

Oh, and regarding the cocoa sir. Had a bit of a problem with the cooker - had to warm it by hand. Thought sir wouldn't mind - as usually you like 'it' warmed by hand. It won't happen again sir. I've been a bit off colour since that young lady's been around. Made me gag when I came across her.......if I can put it so indelicately.
Nick Alcock 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Smithers:

Now listen very carefully Smithers, I and some of the members are getting more than a little tired of the slap dash attitude that you seem to have adopted ever since the arrival of that...that...that woman. Pull yourself together man!
And as for what you get up to in your own time, then I for one would rather NOT hear the sordid details and ins and outs of your, shall we say, liasons, with the bell boy, or the cook.

Now run along old chap and get me a stiff pink gin.....

Marc, old boy, what are we going to do about that...that woman? Place is going to the dogs, if you ask me....
OP Marc Chrysanthou 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: I share your concerns Nicholas. But - and you'll find this flabbergasting - there appears to be no regulation in our rulebook specifically outlawing female members. At the time the SCR was constituted (1911. Or was it 1912? I distinctly remember Dazman's father, Crawfie laying the foundation stone - that's not all he laid that day, but let's spare his son the sordid details, what?)...as I was saying, at that time it seemed so patently obvious to right-minded citizens (even those upstart labouring classes who had the vote - BTW why not go the whole hog and give it to the chimpanzees in Whipsnade Zoo?) that women couldn't - for reasons of biological endowment - join in rational debates or make any worhwhile judgements. Seems therefore that THAT WOMAN has us over a barrel (seems also that she literally had young Smithers over a barrel last night when the negligent little bounder should have been stirring your cocoa - instead he was stirring Miss Evil Twin's 'mug' with his 'long-handled spoon'). The Times they are-a changin' - as that new young American poet has so cogently argued.
Nick Alcock 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Well, damn it Marc. I hear what you're saying about the confounded rules, but, I ask you? This ...this...woman, has done enough damage. I really felt for poor old Tufty the other day when he happened to stumble into that...that woman's damned room by mistake. Good grief man, I'm surprised old Tufty is still with us , what with his dodgy ticker. Apparently the dreadful thing was making such a loud buzzing noise the port glasses in the Crawfie bar were falling off the shelves. Thank the Lord the woman hadn't plugged the infernal thing into the mains. Would have blown every light in the place.

As to "barrels" and "having us over" I'm begining to fear for my sanity.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 20 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Strange times indeed in the SCR! I've heard the full story from Binky Adelstrop. Tufty's ticker DID actually stop after the trauma of chancing upon that young lady pleasuring herself with a strange contraption. Amazingly, he was revived when she removed his tweed breeches and inserted the said device into his rectum and turned it to 'Max'. Tufty came to his senses immediately and has been skipping around like a new-born lamb ever since, asking anyone and everyone; 'Anyone game for a double girdle traverse of Lliwedd?'

PS I'm a bit worried about old Garnett. Last I heard he was threatening to update some Walt Whitman poems for the archive. Not a hide nor hair of him since. Maybe Whitman's 'I sing the body electric' wasn't the most sensitive choice after Tufty's ordeal..............
Nick Alcock 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Well good for old Tufty, I say. Thought he had a spring in his step, when I chanced upon him at Pen y Gwrydd on the occasion of the annual " Big Moose Boys" bash. Surprising what these modern contraptions can achieve. I hear that old Bumpty has got himself in a spot of trouble...between you and me...and I heard this in the billiards room from Binky, so say no more. Apparently he had a bit of a run in with THAT woman, who insisted (and I wouldn't believe this myself, had I not heard it from the "horse's mouth" so to speak)
that he dressed up as none less as than the late and lamented Sir Robert Falcon Scott , where upon she applied certain "electrical" contraptions to his nether regions....

I really think things have hit a nadir in the club. And as for old Garnett, well between you and me, I'm worried about the old boy. We all know what happens when "Walt" rears his head, what?
OP Marc Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: THAT woman indeed! I'd been up all night (couldn't sleep, kept having nightmares about Merridew - did you you know it's 50 years to the day I cut the rope on Cadair Idris - never lived it down - it's still 'Marc C the murderer', and 'Excuse me sir, can I borrow your whittling knife, I need to cut some rope?'). Anyway, I went down to get myself some ovaltine and cheese and crackers and suddenly decided to have a crack at my masterpiece - 'The Crime of the Flagrant Toproper'. I worked through the night and finished it! If I say so myself, it out-coleridged Coleridge. Exhausted, but satisfied, I fell asleep in my favourite armchair. When I awoke, I couldn't find my masterpiece anywhere. Frantic, I asked Smithers; and the drunken oaf muttered something about THAT woman 'tidying up'. I haven't the heart nor energy to start again. There's only so much a man can take.

Maybe that's what happened to old Garnett? Had he finally finished his monumental parody of Whitman;s epic 'Leaves of Grass', only to find it had been 'cleared away...to make more room for knitting magazines and shoe catalogues'?

To cap it all, she's upset Bumpty and Binky. Only gone and turned the billiards table into an ironing board, hasn't she? Big bloody iron-shaped burn mark in the green baize!Oh, and your Ron Hills are singed to high heaven. Even worse, she's washed and ironed the nylon ropes. Maybe she's trying to drive us out? Well she can bally well think again. As our anthem goes: "Once an Olde Rockfaxian always an Olde Rockfaxian" (oh, DO sit down Nickers ! So silly standing to attention EVERY time the anthem's mentioned).
Nick Alcock 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Well old chap, I've been tossing and turning all night myself. Good Lord! Not our sacred billiard table? I harbour fond memories of the time "Shorty" Haskett-Fotherington, "scored" that night back in '76.
It was well worth getting it re-baised, just to see the look on the face of Stuffy, when those Thai girls were ejected from the premises.
Oh happy days.

As for THAT woman; Jolly bad luck about the demise of the manuscript, and as for that blighter Smithers, so he's hit the bottle again? Can't say I'm surprised, what with the havoc this wench from hell has brought down upon us all. My precious Ron Hills ruined! God in heaven! The mind is just stunned. What next? Lord help us....

Still old chap, chins up. "Once an Olde Rockfaxian always an Olde Rockfaxian" Hoorah!

I'm off for a brisk rub-down with the 1893 edition of our beloved House Journal,and then as it's Sunday a lage "Pinky" is in order, what?

matnoo 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou adn everyone:


WOW! What a thread! 389 posts!

I cant even begin to read it, why was/is this thread so popular?

Because the poem has unsuspectedly caught the true reasoning behind climbing? The thing we all experience and know but were unable to put to words as effectively? The romance, the fear, the beauty of it all?

This is a genuine question btw, as there has definately got to be something special about this post to get 4 times as much replies as anything else on the recent board...


Whats the reason?

Mat
OP Marc Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In reply to matnoo: Good question(s).

My hunch is that the answer lies in a powerful combination of factors.

a)The magic of poetry - allowing the expression of private, heartfelt experiences, sensations, memories and emotions.
b)the 'poetic' (mystical, symbolic and emotional) - as well as physical and technical - nature of climbing.
c) people's delight in being creative, expressing themselves, and sharing - finding an 'echo' with others.
d) the sheer fun and 'intellectual' challenge of 'adapting' classic poems!
e) the joy and excitement at being introduced to new poems, unknown authors.
f) the sometimes superficial, trivial day-to-day content of RT (of course there's space for chitchat, gossip etc. as well - but sometimes people want something a bit more demanding or stimulating)
g) The Council of Elders at Olde Rockfaxians College has promised £1 for every post to this thread - to go to the SCR re-carpeting and wine cellar re-stocking fund...
and, most importantly,
h) my megalomaniacal dream of creating a thread of one thousand posts - thereby winning £50,000 from JCT; who bet me that "no thread of yours will ever beat mine! Get real you sad loser!" Just kidding Jude
Paul Saunders 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

It's dying now, we've mined out the poetry and are just fluffing about the "RF SCR" now...

It's the same with all revolutions they loose their direction, the original vision of a poetic climbing society has been corrupted to a thread about an old boys club... I'm as guilty as any... I've lost my muse (no not ET1).

Paul (change comes through the barrel of a gun) Saunders.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders: Speak for yourself, my 'muse' is still just about alive and kicking!! A variation of Seamus Heaqney;s 'Follower':

My father climbed up at Laddow,
On boulders ribbed like giant shells strung.
A man-plough ploughing rock furrows.
His torso strained at his catlike lunge.

An expert. He would take to wing
Skimming wet slabs in woollen sock.
The crags rolled over, surrendering -
At the headwall , with scarce a look

Or pause, his stretching frame reached round
And out sprang a hand. His foot
Arrowed and angled, then unwound,
Matching the furrows exactly.

I stumbled in his hob-nailed wake,
Fell sometimes on the polished flake;
Sometimes he rode me on his back
Dipping and rising with his grace.

I wanted to emulate his flow
To train my eye, stiffen my arm.
All I ever did was follow
On his trusty rope, safe from harm

I was a nuisance, slipping, falling,
Yapping always. But today
It is my father who keeps stumbling
Behind me, and will not go away.


OP Marc Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: A poem about a useless jammer (me!) stuck on a grit crack (based on John Clare's magnificent 'I am...but what I am none cares or knows')


I jam: yet, when I jam, it stays then goes….
My Friends forsake me, my protection’s lost,
I am the self-consumer of my woes—
I rise, relapse to my precarious post,
Like a hippo in its frenzied death throes—
And yet, I hang on ! Like a ship storm-tossed.

Out of the cosiness of Rocktalk’s noise,
Into the reality of silent screams,
Where there is neither sense of hope nor joys,
But the vast shipwreck of my armchair dreams;
Even the first pitch, that should give no test,
Is hard— nay, rather harder than the rest.

I long for holds, the biggest made by God,
A jug whose size would make me feel much blessed—
Then turn to smile at my belayer, Rod,
And leap as I in wild dreams deftly lept;
Unflustered - on the front cover of High;
The fear below — above the vaulted sky.

OP Marc Trotsky Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders: Comrade Paul, the Central Committee of the SCR has considered your comments about the 'betrayal' of The Revolution. As a consequence, we (Comrade Lenin Alcock and myself) have carried out a 'cull' of some of the revolutionary dead wood: Binky, Bumpty, Shorty, Dazman, Dave G., Gordon S, and Duncan B. - and, of course, that Mata Hari, ET1 - have all been executed by the Revolutionary Guard's firing squad (each receiving a bolt through their skulls). We suspect that some of these bourgeois sympathisers and traitors may have already been dead (due to an overdose of port and stilton); it's difficult to tell.

The dream of a Red Poets' Society lives on! Hail the Revolution! All bow to Comrade Lenin Alcock and Comrade Trotsky Marc C.

PS You're not Comrade Stalin, by any chance?
 sutty 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Trotsky Chrysanthou:


Have you not in a chimney seen
A lonely chockstone cold and green
How difficult to get it threaded
And if you don't you're surely deaded

So goes it with the nervous lead
Grated hands that seem to bleed
But not the man who knows his stuff
Just solos past the bit of rough
 Howard J 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

I don't think we've had any Dylan yet (Bob, that is ... or Thomas for that matter)

THE CLIMBS THEY ARE A-CHANGIN'

Come gather round, people, wherever you climb
For I'd have you take heed and attend to my rhyme
You know, I've been climbing a very long time
And I've seen a few things, I am claimin'
But the sport's a lot different from when I began
For the climbs they are a-changin'

Now when most of the routes were first done around here
They were climbed in EBs and with bugger-all gear
But today we can stitch them all up without fear
And in 5.10s the friction's amazin'
But although they've got easier, they've gone up a grade
For the climbs they are a-changin'

And in the old days it was all very clear
To go the gym, well, you never would hear
And they climbed on a diet of ciggies and beer
But nowadays everyone's trainin'
And they'd rather climb plastic than go to a crag
For the climbs they are a-changin'

Now some people claim that delight can be found
In climbing the boulders that are scattered around
Though they climb 7a they don't get off the ground
And they've got their own system of gradin'
And they carry a mattress instead of a rope
For the climbs they are a-changin'

Come bumblies and fogeys throughout the land
If you don't criticise then they won't understand
The chippers and bolters are beyond your command
The old ways are rapidly fadin'
And Ethics is where you'll find Southend-on-Sea
For the climbs they are a-changin'
OP Marc Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Howard J: Excellent! Nick did 'Tangled Up in Blue' earlier.

Dylan Thomas's "Do Not Go gentle in to that good night" is crying out for a 'treatment', but it's a lot trickier than it appears at first sight. There's hardly any 'holds' and it's sustained!!!
 Marc C 21 Dec 2003
In reply to the Not Quite Dead Poets Society:

Just to let everyone know that there will be the usual midnight Christmas 'reading' at Lyn Idwal on Christmas Eve. Meet at Ogwen at 11. Bring a poem, a hurricane lamp, and your robes and masks. Hot drinks and a simple buffet will be provided.
 Duncan Bourne 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
What no one done Nine inch nail/Johnny Cash yet? tsk!

Hurt

I hurt myself today
In seeking frictions feel
I focus on the climb
the only thing that's real
Tore a finger on a hold
That old familiar sting
I tried to lay-away
but I couldn't stop the swing

What do I care now
My belay friend
everyone I know
Falls off in the end
and I want to climb it all
This empire of Grit
If I hit the ground
It is sure to hurt

I wear an old helmet
upon my thining hair
I'm full of aching bones
that took ages to repair
but on these rocks sublime
the feelings disappear
I am somewhere else
I am without fear

Chorus

If I slip again
and my hand peels away
I will get back on
I will find a way
 Duncan Bourne 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Duncan Bourne:
Whoo hoo! I am post number 400!
 Marc C 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: Roger McGough (jardly altered)

THE LEADER

I wanna be the leader
I wanna be the leader
Can I be the leader?
Can I? I can?
Promise? Promise?
Yippee! I'm the leader
I'm going to lead

Right, lads, what shall we climb?
 Marc C 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Duncan Bourne: You *******!!!!!!!!!

You won't be welcome at the Christmas Eve poetry reading, so stay away. Hand in your SCR key as well.
 Duncan Bourne 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> (In reply to Duncan Bourne) You *******!!!!!!!!!
>
> You won't be welcome at the Christmas Eve poetry reading, so stay away. Hand in your SCR key as well.

jealous, jealous, jealous :oP
 Marc C 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: Had to be done!

The Shakespearean Slab Climber's Soliloquy

To smear or not to smear: that is the question:
Whether tis nobler to decline, then suffer
The ribbings and goads of ungracious friends;
Or to place foot against a smeary knobble
And, with thumb opposing, ‘send’ it ? To try: to slip:
Not sure; and, by a slip to say we end
The calf-ache and the frowns and sweaty socks
That fear gives rise to, ‘tis a resolution
Devoutly to be wished. To try, to slip;
To rip perchance the gear: ay, there’s the rub;
For in that slide of ‘death’ what screams may come
When we have shuffled off grit’s mortal foil
Must give us pause. And then, if held,
There’s the misery of a long life;
For who would bear the jokes and jeers of time,
The pisstaker’s song, the hardman’s contumely,
The harangues of onlookers, kids at play,
The insolence of walkers, and the quips
Impatient topropers, less worthy, make,
As he himself his quietude fakes
With a sheepish grin ? Who would insults wear,
And grin and bear the Nearly Man’s jibes,
If he lacked not the commitment to success
That taps the undiscover’d reservoirs of faith
All slab climbers drink from or muzzle the will,
And lack of makes us bear those spills we have
Than ‘go for it’ and ‘pull it off’?
Thus confidence’s lack make cowards of us all:
And thus the native glue of resolution
Is unstickied with the pale cast of doubt,
And ascents of greatness end the moment
Climbers allow sly doubts to multiply,
And lose the gain of friction.
 gingerkate 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
I have come to this thread rather late, and not yet read all of it. That last, Marc, is brilliant....... the weird thing is it still manages to be good in its own right.....

This is with apologies to Sylvia Plath.........

Rockboot

You do not do, you do not do
Any more, black shoe
In which I have squashed my left foot
For three years, poor and white,
Barely daring to breathe or Achoo.

5.10 Diamond, I have had to bin you.
You died before I had topped out.....
Gritstone-gripped, a bag full of chalk,
Still as a statue with one grey toe,
Big as a Leeds pigeon.

Swollen with the constriction,
Gradually turning blue,
My toe penetrates rubbery imperfection.
I used to pray to resole you.
Ach, du.

 gingerkate 21 Dec 2003
Uh oh, this is addictive....... sorry Wordsworth

Upon Leeds Wall Stairs

Leeds has not anything to show more fair:
Dull would he be of soul who could pass by
A sight so touching in it majesty:
This wall now doth, like a garment, wear
The beauty of the morning; silent, bare,
Jugs, slopers, crimps, features, and side-pulls lie
Open unto my hands and to my eye;
All bright and colourful in the smokeless air.
Never did sun more beautifully steep
In his first splendour, valley, rock, or hill;
Ne'er saw I, never felt, a calm so deep!
Al Manson hoovers at his own sweet will:
Dear God! the very barrels seem asleep;
And all those might ropes are lying still!
OP Marc Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate: Ah Kate, we (Jude and I)were wondering why you hadn't put in an appearance! Those are really really first-rate! Yes, be warned it's addictive - and we know what you're like

Funnily enough, I was thinking of 'modifying' some of Sylvia Plath's stuff earlier - in particular one called Edge (all very dark..too dark...so I left it!)
 gingerkate 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
It is definitely addictive, I have just been hearing my lassie reading Fantastic Mr. Fox, and all I could think was 'damn, it should have been "chalkless air"'. So please consider that changed to chalkless

Yes, Plath is a bit dark for this game, Daddy has many more verses that just do not lend themselves to jolly adaptations, oh no
OP JJJJ. 21 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate:

every woman loves a crimpfest?

J
OP Marc Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate: I think your 'Rockboot' should be paired with my 'Sonnet to an Anasazi Slipper' in the rockboot section of the anthology!

It would be interesting to categorise the major themes that the poets on this thread have covered - e.g. humourous exploits, death, gear etc.
Nick Alcock 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Over the mountain
Down in the valley
Lives a former climbing boy
Everybody knows his name.
He says there’s no doubt about it
It was the myth of new rock
I’ve climbed them all
They’re all the same.

When the sun gets weary
And the pints go down
Ever since the first route.
And the grades go up
All around
Somebody says what’s a better thing to do
Well it’s not just me
And it’s not just you
Climbing’s all around the world.

Out in the African desert somewhere
There’s a lonely climber
Abandoned ropes and full of fear
And there’s no doubt about it
It was the myth of new rock
That’s why the boy was there.

Well the rock gets bloody
And the sun goes down
Ever since the first route
And the grades go up
All around
Somebody says what’s a better thing to do
Well it’s not just me
And it’s not just you
Climbing’s all around the world.

Over the mountain
Down in the valley
Lives a former climbing boy
And far and wide his name is known
He says there’s no doubt about it
It was the myth of new rock
That’s why we must learn to live alone.



 gingerkate 21 Dec 2003
In reply to JJJJ.:
LOL! It's true!

Topical and a bit crap:

The route winds ever on and on,
Up from the crack where it began.
Now far above the route has gone
And we must follow if we can.
Pursuing it with smearing feet,
Then mantle swift to the belay,
Where many routes of all grades meet
And wither then I cannot say.
 gingerkate 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
I've not read that one yet....... I've read the beginning and the end, this is one long thread! 'Sonnet to an Anasazi Slipper' is, however, a most excellent title
Nick Alcock 21 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate:

Welcome Ms. Ginger. I hope the commitee have approved your membership. We've had a spot of trouble lately In the SCR, and as you know, Marc C and other members have had to resort to some extreme measures. To wit: Smithers' despicable behaviour the other night!
As for THAT woman, this matter still has to be resolved. Nevertheless, I bid you welcome, and as a new guest, I hope you realise that you will have to undergo the usual Olde Rockfaxians initiation ceremony?

Nick
 gingerkate 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
Oh no, not the one involving the freeze dried platypus and half a dozen fried eggs?! Please no, anything but that! ((((
Nick Alcock 21 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate:

Damn it, so you have heard about it. That was one of the most sacred and unwritten rituals in the Olde Rockfaxian code of honour. Who spilt the beans?

SMITHERS confound you! Where the devil is my brandy?
 gingerkate 21 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
You shouldn't complain about the spilt beans, they make the fried eggs more palatable
Nick Alcock 21 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate:

Not, I'm afraid dear lady, the way we "administer" them.

God Damn the man SMITHERS! How many times must I tell you? HOT water with my brandy....
OP Marc Chrysanthou 21 Dec 2003
In request to the SCR Librarian: Miss Mills, can I please reserve a copty of Wilfred Owen's poems? Pleasae infotm fellow SCR members that I have 'reserved' his 'Strange Meeting'for adaptation. Thank you.

PS I trust little James is now fully restored to health. Those motorized lawnmowers can be deadly in an amateur's hands.
In reply to Marc C:

New levels of brilliance tonight. Esp. to take on the most famous soliloquy in Shakespeare and succeed.
Paul Saunders 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Trotsky Chrysanthou:

Well my call to arms seems to have livened things up again... Still lost my muse though... I can't do poetry (or stitch up jobs on dead poets) when feeling down... Keep the torch burning till I'm back up again, I loved the latest submissions...

Paul (While the Club exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no Club) Saunders.

Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

Fellow and esteemed member. A call to arms indeed? Heed the anthem of The Olde Rockfaxians. Take up your pen and write, for whether the muse is with you or not, capture the moment in verse.

May the muse soon be with you, as darkness once again decends on the Olde Rockfaxians. I can only hope I get a decent night's sleep tonight. God in heaven! Last night's scenes between THAT woman and that damned Ginger thing, were almost too much to bear...Keep the Rockfaxian flag flying! Hoorah!
Delete

In reply to Nick Alcock:

Now is the wittering of Old Rockfaxians
Made glorious chunter by this fun of Marc.
In reply to Paul Saunders:

And now Paul's muse is twanged! No, no, no rhymes!
Why should a Nick, a Marc, a Kate, have rhymes,
And thou no ideas at all? Thou'lt post no more?
Never, never, never, never, never!
Pray you, undo this twaddle.
Paul Saunders 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

OK I've started a monster... Did this yesterday thought I'd post it now I'm up and about (got a long long drive ahead this morning... and no Smithers to chauffeur)

The Rhyme of the "Godless Chipper"
In Seven Parts
Originally By Samuel Taylor Coleridge

Part the First.

It is an ancient Climber,
And he stoppeth one of three.
"By thy long grey beard and glittering eye,
Now wherefore stopp'st thou me?
"The BMC's doors are opened wide,
It is the area meeting;
The guests are met, the agenda set:
May'st hear the chairmans greeting."
He holds him with his skinny hand,
"There was a crag," quoth he.
"Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
Eftsoons his hand dropt he.
He holds him with his glittering eye--
The Member he stood still,
And listens like a three years child:
The Climber hath his will.
The Member sat upon a stone:
He cannot chuse but hear;
And thus spake on that ancient man,
The Ron-Hill clad Climber.
The crag was brushed, the lichen cleared,
Merrily did we sup
Below the crag, below the hill,
Below the gritstone top.
For when the Sun did dry the rock,
We had our noble plans,
Boulders to be sent and first ascents
Awaited every man.
Brighter and brighter every day,
Till one Sunday at noon--
The Member here beat his breast,
For he heard the loud bassoon.
Of the Chairman clearing out his throat,
Time for the vote said he;
And the member heard the answering cries
Of the climbing community.
The Member he did beat his breast,
Yet he cannot chuse but hear;
And thus spake on that ancient man,
The bright-eyed old Climber.
And now the STORM-BLAST scotched our plans
It rained both hard and long:
And once again denied us rock,
We'd waited for so long.
With sloping holds and jutting prow,
The crag did tempt me so
and as I waited once again
I grew to hate my foe,
At length did cross an Ouzel:
Thorough the fog it came;
And ramblers and park wardens,
Stopped us climbing in it's name.
It nested on the grit,
And round and round it flew.
And though we eye'd, the virgin lines;
The wardens would not let us through!
As good south winds did dry our crag;
The Ouzel it did follow,
And every day, for food or play,
Came to the climbers hollow.
Till when at last we gained access,
Impatient for my claim;
And fearful of the stronger teams,
I sought the route to tame.
"God save thee, ancient climber!
From the fiends, that plague thee thus!--
A deed so evil... With my cold chisel
I CHIPPED the virgin buttress.
 Al Evans 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders: Has anybody done Gerard Manley Hopkins? No need to alter the words

The mind has mountains
Cliffs of fall
Frightful,shear no man fathomed
Abandon hope all ye who ere hang there.

By the way is this the biggest thread ever yet?
 gingerkate 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Al Evans:
I'm not sure if this is quite finished yet, but I have writer's paranoia and are worried that someone might get there first so:

Wild Nights.... Wild Nights!
A full Pint of Tea!
Pete's Eats will be
Our luxury!

Futile.... the Winds.....
To a climber Fed and Warm.....
Full of All Day Special Breakfast....
Thus our Hearts full of Calm

It's wet in Llanberis......
Ah, but the Treats!
Might I but stay...... Tonight...
At Pete's!
OP Marc Chrysanthou 22 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate: Paranoia about poem gazumping!!! You've got it bad already - but I know what you mean! Touch 'Strange Meeting' and you're dead meat.......

In reply to Paul Saunders: Ah, I see the muse is still burning. That's great. But, hang on, Ancient Mariner's mine ya jear? MINE MINE MINE MINE!!!!!!!!!!! You'll pay for this, traitor.
OP Guinness Book of Records 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Al Evans: We, the adjudicators - subject, of course, to formal measurements and independent verification, would hazard that this is very likely to be the longest thread in terms of wordage (if not number of posts).

Damien McWhirter and Jasmine McWhirter
 gingerkate 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
I saw you had reserved that one....... but in a way, it'd be fun to see what different people did with the same poem.......

Are we doing songs as well? If so, this is one I did a few months back:

Hotel Rockfax

On a dark cyber highway
Chalk dust in my hair
Warm smell of 5.10 boots
Rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance
FH and Fiend posting sh*te
My arms grew itchy, and my sight grew red
I had to stay for the fight
There was someone on my doorstep
I heard them ring the bell
And I was thinking to myself
They can go to hell
Then Jude posted a mad thread
And she showed me the way
There were voices down the corridor
I thought I heard them say

Welcome to the Rocktalk climbing forums
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely space
Plenty of room at the Rocktalk climbing forums
Any time of year
Any time of year
You can find it here
You can find it here

This place is somewhat twisted
We've got the rope in bends
We''ve got a lot of pretty, pretty gear
That we calls friends
How they climb in the courtyard
Sweet summer sweat (?!)
Some climbs let's remember
Some climbs lets forget!
So I called up the Captain (Paranoia)
Please bring me my mat
He said
I don't do bouldering much you know, I haven't got the hat
And still those voices are calling from far away
Wake you up in the middle of the night
Just to hear them say

Welcome to the Rocktalk climbing forums
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely space
They're livin' it up at the Rocktalk climbing forums
What a nice surprise
What a nice surprise
Bring your alibies

Big holds on the ceiling
Pink crampons on the ice
And who said
We are all just prisoners here
Of our own device?
And in the BMC's North-West Area
They gathered for the feast
They stabbed it with their steely knives
But they just can't kill the beast
Last thing I remember
I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
Relax said Alan and Nick
We are programed to recieve
You can logout any time you like
But you can never leave


Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate:

Very fine words Ms. Ginger. However, I was saving that one for myself!

Marc. Is all this allowed?

Nickers
 gingerkate 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
Well just in case you have it in mind, don't touch Anarchy in the UK, that's mine, I was there first first first, months ago, pre EGM, I did it first I did I did, and it's called Anarchy in the BMC, ha ha ha ha ha ah aha ahahahahaha!!!!!!
 gingerkate 22 Dec 2003
Here it is. It's the song Ian Smith thinks I am singing


Anarchy In The B.M.C.

Right ! NOW ! ha ha ha ha ha

I am an antichrist
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want but
I know how to get it
I wanna destroy the block vote cos I

I want BMC anarchy !
No dogs body

Anarchy for the B.M.C. it's coming sometime and maybe
You fat old clubs have had your day cos
your future dream is an insurance scheme cos I

I want BMC anarchy !
In the city

How Many ways to get what you want
I use the best I use the rest
I use the enemy I use anarchy cos I

I want BMC anarchy !
THE ONLY WAY TO BE !

Is this the FRCC
Or is this the AMA
Or is this the CC
I thought it was the BMC or just
another climbing club
another bunch of old guard tossers

I wanna be an anarchist
Oh what a name
Get PISSED DESTROY !




Note for clubs: Any similarity to any actual clubs is entirely coincidental and I am only winding yous all up and getting my own back, sorry sorry sorry, I don't REALLY think u r a bunch of old guard tossers, oh no no no, not me, innocent I be
Evil Twin 1 22 Dec 2003
In reply to All:

Appears to have been a busy weekend in the SCR. Boys boys boys if you'd told me Smithers had such a way with the brandy bottle - I'd still have batteries left in all my electical items.

Some stirling work, I firmly approve. Mr C - the Crime of the Flagrant Toproper is in your pigeon hole where it rightly belongs. A place for everything and everything in it's place as dear grandmama used to say!! I would appreciate it if you boys kept the SCR a little tidier - Smithers and I were only yesterday commenting on the lack of clear desk space.

Ms Ginger - so nice to have another woman in the SCR - don't take any of their tosh - their all hot air (mmm and that's a problem too!!).

Much love and festive greetings 'That Woman' ET1

PS - Anyone got any AA batteries?
 gingerkate 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:
Hallo, Evil Twin the beautiful! What does SCR stand for btw?
Evil Twin 1 22 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate:
SCR = Senior Common Room. The boys have taken this thread and placed it in a room of it's own - the SCR of the Old Rockfaxian Society. Smithers is their aging (but remarkably agile) manservant. They generally sit around stewing themseles in brandy, discussing the war, contesting the presence of women in the SCR, and spouting poetry. As I said, it's all hot air!!

In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

A Scottish Tragedy

"She should have held her father;
That would have been a climb for such a nerd,
To grovel, and to grovel, and to grovel,
Creeping his sweaty way from b'lay to b'lay
To the last silly wall of that sordid climb;
Had all her nut belays not frightfully pulled
Away - so it was a bloody mess! Out, out, weak anchors!
She was but a failing daughter, a pisspoor belayer,
That muttered and fretted her hour upon the stance,
And did little more..." It is a tale
Told by Nick Alcott, full of Common Room fury,
Signifying some gin.
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

LIKE A ROCK

Stood there boldly
Sweating in the sun
Felt like a million
Felt like number one
The height of summer
I’d never felt that strong
Like a rock.

I was eighteen
Didn’t have a care
Climbing all I could
Every grade felt fair
I was lean and
Solid everywhere
Like a rock.

My hands were steady
My eyes were clear and bright
Every move had purpose
On each route it all felt right
And I held firmly
To what I thought was right
Like a rock.

Like a rock, I was as strong as I could be
Like a rock, nothing ever got to me
Like a rock, I was something to see
Like a rock.

And I climbed arrow straight
Unencumbered by the weight
Of all the slings and extremes
I stood proud, I stood tall
High above it all
I still believed in my dreams.

Thirty years now
Where did they go?
Thirty years
I don’t know
Where they’ve gone.

And sometimes late at night
My mind goes back to black and white
The routes come calling clear and bright
And I recall
I recall.

Like a rock, climbing arrow straight
Like a rock, like a new screw gate
Like a rock, carrying all the weight
Like a rock.

Like a rock, the sun upon my skin
Like a rock, hard against the wind
Like a rock, I see myself again
Like a rock



Nickers and Bob Seeger






Paul Saunders 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
> In reply to Paul Saunders: Ah, I see the muse is still burning. That's great. But, hang on, Ancient Mariner's mine ya jear? MINE MINE MINE MINE!!!!!!!!!!! You'll pay for this, traitor.

Just give me the 2nd part and then perhaps I'll need to hand over the remaining 5 for assistance...
OP Marc Chrysanthou 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

STRANGE MEETING (WITH JCT)

It seemed that out of Rocktalk I escaped
Down some virtual reality tunnel, long since scooped
Through granites which tectonic shifts had groined.
Yet also there encumbered sleepers groaned,
Too fast in thought or death to be bestirred.
Then, as I probed them, one sprang up, and stared
With piteous recognition in fixed eyes,
Lifting distressful hands, as if to bless.
And by her smile, I knew that sullen hall,-
By her dread smile I knew we stood in Hell.
With a thousand pains that vision's face was grained;
There too, Gingerkate; writhing on the ground,
And Brian T lay slumped, and made horrible moan.
"Strange friend," I said, "here is no cause to mourn."
"None," said that other, "save the undone years,
The hopelessness. Whatever hope is yours,
Was my life also, I found Rocktalk and went wild
Posting all the hours in the world,
Threads on ‘Hunkiest thighs’, ‘who likes blonde hair?’,
Whilst Mick Rockfax mocked me on the hour.
And I believed, none could ever exit here.
For I did try, but always I crept back,
And now I’m weeping because I’m unstuck
For good - to die in agony untold,
The pitiful horde, their idle noise distilled.
Now newcomers will labour where I toiled,
More toprope threads, more old pastures tilled.
The threads will start focused and then digress.
Some will form cliques, seek Top 40 progress.
The top spot was mine, I had mastery,
Tiggs, Clare, Anni, lacked my mystery:
Gone the buzz of DTP’s virtual world
Trapped in this citadel so stoutly walled.
When mud was slung at the picnic in Wales
I'd log on and wash wounds from sweet wells,
Even Rothermere's taunts too deep for taint.
I would have poured my spirit without stint
But not through these wounds; now I’ll post nowhere.
For your thread usurped mine - an act of war!
You were my enemy, you killed my thread.
Marc C I know you: O be not afraid!
As your thread slew mine, t’was me you killed.
I posted; but my will to live had cooled.
Let me sleep now . . ."
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Good grief, Marc. Don't let THOSE women get you down. Remember the code. Come away from the dark side.

Did you have another of "those" nights?

Nickers
Clauso 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Ahhh... The Strange Meeting effort. So long promised. So worth the wait.

Masterful, Marc. God knows how long you've struggled over those stanzas? It's anybody's guess how much you've neglected your partner, Gorple, work, and shaving your legs? I daren't think of the hours that you've spent hunched over your keyboard crafting your masterpiece. Your efforts are appreciated by the chaps (note the masculine) of the SCR... You can sleep now.
DaveH 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

'Twas the night before Christmas
And right through RT
Not a creature was stirring
Except JCT...
 gingerkate 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
Oh that is excellent! Glad i got a mention, even if only to writhe

I think I've stopped now....... to be fun, for me, it needs to be a poem I know well, off by heart or close. And sad ignoramus that I am, the number I know thus is paltry. Off now, to brave the wild shores of ToyRus........ actually, if I were to do more it would be adaptations of children's classics...... thinking on it, I bagsy 'Where the Wild Things Are'.

"The night Mick wore his wolf suit
And made mischief
Of one kind
And another......"

Hmmm, Duncan, fancy a collaboration....... ? You do the pics, I'll do the words......

He he he....... have a good day all ))
Clauso 22 Dec 2003
In reply to gingerkate:

Wallnuts hanging on a frozen wire, Jack Frost nipping at your nose.
Shiney axes ringing out like a choir, and folks dressed up like Eskimos.
Everybody knows, a cornice and some crispy snow help to make the season bright.
Camalots, cammed as far as they go, will find it hard to grip tonight.
You know that winter's on it's way.
You're looking out for icey gullies for your play.
And every lad and lass is gonna try, to keep their feet, and pray not to fly.
And so I'm offering this simple phrase to kids from 1 to 92
Although it's been said many times, many ways: happy climbing to you.
 Marc C 22 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Are you up for the Not Quite Dead Poets' Society reading at Idwal on Christmas Eve? Please leave the owls behind this time - it still pains me to glance around the SCR and see so many empty eye sockets - and old boys reading braille editions of The Telegraph.

To all SCR members: What d'y say we 'kill' this thread at 500 - so it passes into RT legend as "The Yule 500" - with the last post reserved for something elegiacal = e.g. Lights Out (Edward Thomas), My Way (Frank Sinatra)...
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Agreed, old chap.....

Nickers
Evil Twin 1 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
Fabulous idea.
We need to elect a Laureate for post 500.
Or make it a communal effort.
Damn - I'm off in a minute. You can reclaim the SCR as your own boys!!
 Marc C 22 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Spiffing! Though maybe 'Happy Crimpfest' would be better than 'Happy Climbing'?

Bring the piano up to Idwal - I'll bring my mouth organ. Order of service:

All stand for Carol 175 'O Little Hound of Todmorden'
Reading by Duncan Bourne - 'Twas the Night Before Christmas'
All stand for Carol 243 'Climbing in a Gritstone Wonderland'
Be seated. Prayers whilst SCR members partake of communion.
Stay seated for the RT Laureate's Yuletide Address
Slaughter of the Goats
Please stand for Carol 25 'Happy Crimpfest to You'.
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1:

Lovely to have met you ET2.

Nickers
Evil Twin 1 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
And you nickers....... maybe in the flesh in 2004.

PS - Big slobbery kiss to the mutt!!
Clauso 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Sorry, can't make the Note Quite Dead Poets' Society reading at Idwal this year. I'm inaugurating the Irish branch of the Owlers at Newgrange. I've got my work cut out running up 350 owlsuits...

I'm just hoping that there aren't as many 'no-shows' as there were on Lindisfarne last summer solstice. Essentially, that particular meet boiled down to just me and 50 owls. Still, I enjoyed myself all the same.

As for the 'kill the thread at 500' comment. Wash your mouth out! This thing's bigger than you now, you know? It has a life of it's own. You have, in fact, created a monster, whether you like it or not.

Think of yourself as Doctor Chrysanthanstein
 Marc C 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Evil Twin 1: Before you go (with your tail between your legs - very strange, are you half-fox?), can you please let us know which cupboard, armoire or cabinet poor old Smithers is languishing (gagged, bound and buttered) ?

Just a clue then? I'm by the portrait of Crawfie - hot or cold?
Evil Twin 1 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C: down a bit - Warm (although that might just be because you're next to the fire).
PS - half-wolf!!
 Duncan Bourne 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:
> To all SCR members: What d'y say we 'kill' this thread at 500 - so it passes into RT legend as "The Yule 500" - with the last post reserved for something elegiacal = e.g. Lights Out (Edward Thomas), My Way (Frank Sinatra)...

sounds good! Then we can start a fresh 2004 thread
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Indoor Haven

I have desired to go
Where cams not fail,
To walls where flies no sharp and sided hail
And a few wallies go.

And I have asked to be
Where no storms come,
Where the sweat smell is in the rafters rum,
And without the sting of reality.
Paul Saunders 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

You can't do 500!!!! I need time dammit Coleridge is too long to complete in just another 50 postings...

Still I'll always have "Diary of a Gritstone Mouse"... Ah the salad days of youth...
In reply to Duncan Bourne:

Yes, I think Marc should be nominated to do My Way as the 500th post.
 Gary Smith 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
Absolutely awesome...

Oh we're jammin, jammin
I hope you like Jammin too
I wanna jammit with you

Best thread award for 2003
To you Jah Chrysanthou.

Yea we're jammin
 sutty 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Lost track of what has been done. Wonder if anyone fancies the charge of the light brigade if it has not been done?

Over half a meg of stuff now, some thread.
 Dave Garnett 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Sorry chaps. Inconveniently diverted on my way to the SCR by unseasonable work. I'll drop by when I can with my latest slim volume...
Paul Saunders 22 Dec 2003
In reply to sutty:

Charge of the Trad Brigade was my 1st post...
Clauso 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:
> (In reply to sutty)
>
> Charge of the Trad Brigade was my 1st post...

First Post? Surely the Last Post would have been more appropriate, old boy? Anyhow, don't mention the war. It'll only set old Jenkins off again. Him and his bally tales from the Crimea. There's no stopping the blighter... It's a shame. He's never ventured out of Putney in reality, but that's what years of drinking gin does to you I suppose?
In reply to sutty:

Yes, it's been done rather well.

Ive just been having a crack at:

'Physiocharta'

Go flaccidly amid the deltoids and pex, and remember what solace there may be in liniments ...

but it hasn't got very far!
Clauso 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> (In reply to sutty)
>
> Go flaccidly amid the deltoids and pex, and remember what solace there may be in liniments ...

Why does that line evoke images of MarcC? There's something very resonant about it?... Nope. It's no good. It was on the tip of my tongue but it's gone now...

Anyhow, must dash. I can't keep Marc waiting for too long. I've got a big delivery of viagra for him... again. God knows what he does with the stuff. He gets through crates of it each month.
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:

Is Smithers aware of this? Someone ought to let him know, so he can at least brace himself!

Nickers
Clauso 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> Is Smithers aware of this? Someone ought to let him know, so he can at least brace himself!
>
> Nickers

Ahhhh.... So now we're divining the real reason that old Smithers jumped ship! I thought that Marc was only clowning with all that dressing up as a matelot shennanigans. It must have been his offer to "...take you up the poop deck." that proved the final straw?
 Adders 22 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: just helping the cause..... nearly 500 -
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to All Olde Rockfaxians:

We founder members propose that Marc should have the honour of posting the 500th.

A show of hands please?


Nickers
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Definitely. Seconded.
Clauso 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> (In reply to Nick Alcock)
>
> Definitely. Seconded.

Thirded. That's 3 on the rope now. Gordon's tied-in in the middle... You're at the sharp end Nick. Destination MarcC. A tortured poetic genius who shelters in a cave in a manner not dissimilar to Himalayan gurus... Only with an Action Man and a Beagle for company, obviously.
O Mighty Tim 22 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan: Hmmm. Has Gorple returned? Only last I heard he was in Ecuador???

Anyway, to the lonely Muse, in his solitude...
SEND IT, MARC!!!

Tim, TG (Lost in admiration, and failing in inspiration)
Clauso 22 Dec 2003
In reply to O Mighty Tim:
> (In reply to DazMan)
>
> Hmmm. Has Gorple returned? Only last I heard he was in Ecuador???

Gorple has indeed returned from the Andes!!! Marc's laments of his demise proved to be grossly exaggerated. Apparently, he'd been suckling a couple of Inca children in a manner akin to that enjoyed by Romulus and Remus... I shudder when I think of that particular image, given that Gorple's a male of the species. Still, each to their own. He is, as I say, alive and kicking! The world's only climbing-homing Beagle?
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Back in the SCR

Flew in from Miami Beach BOAC
Didn’t get to bed last night.
All the way I had Smithers on my knee
Man I had a dreadful flight.
I’m back in the SCR.
You don’t know how lucky you are boy
Back in the SCR.
Been away so long I hardly knew the place
Gee it’s good to be back home.
Brandy and tobacco in my case
Marc C - disconnect the phone.
I’m back in the SCR
You don’t know how lucky you are boy
Back in the SC, Back in the SC, Back in the SCR.
Well the Rocktalk girls really knock me out
They leave the rest behind,
And climbing girls make me sing and shout
That Dinkypen is always on my mind.
I’m back in the SCR
You don’t know how lucky you are boy
Back in the SCR.
Show me round your cellars way down south
Take me to Dazman’s farm
Let me hear those poems ringing out
Come and keep your comrade warm.
I’m back in the SCR.
You don’t know how lucky you are boy
Back in the SCR.

Nickers



 Marc C 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: Brill! I too am back in the warm bosom of the SCR (that's Sergeant Colin Rook of the Oxford Constabulary). I ventured out to do some Christmas shopping - my advice: Don't bother! It's a veritable stampede out there. The shops never have anything on my list anyway (I mean you'd think a reputable phatrmacists like Boots would stock embalming fluid and Beginning Embalming Gift Sets, wouldn;t you?)

I'm up for the 500th post (by popular demand!!) I'll be sorry to see the 'old girl' go. It's been such a large part of my life for so long now. Sorry Paul that we couldn't give you time to finish Ancient Mariner - maybe it'll begin again in 2004 (but count me out!!!!)
 Marc C 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth: Desiderata...yes I can see the appeal of that as the skeleton for a climbing epistle....but 'Physiocharta'???? You're a seriously weird dude Gordon, and I don't think the brief author biography on the dust covers of your large format mountaineering photography books brings that out.
 Marc C 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Dave Garnett: Dave? Is that you? We've been worried, what with the snow and that woman Evil Twin on the scene. Anyway, now you're back, take off your coat, pull up your favourite chair by the fire, and let's have that Whitman you promised!
In reply to Marc C:

Well, it's just an invented word - a sort of 'charter for physiology' given a Latin twist, like Magna Carta. I wouldn't pretend to be in same league as Lewis Carroll! (Wait until you see my novel, if or when it gets published - then I'll be running for cover! Actually it'll be going out under a pseudonym.)
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc C:

Ahhh...the good Sergeant Rook. We've run into him in the past, if I recall. Remember Christmas '87 (if memory serves).....And what a night that was, What happened to that female Russian poet?????

Nickers
In reply to Marc C:

Another taste of my Physiocharta (not completed):

Beyond a wholesome dipsomania, be generous to yourself:
You are a child of the sixties, no less than the Bee Gees and the stars.
You have a right to boulder. And as will become unabundantly clear to you,
Without workouts your fingers will unfold as they should.

(Something like that anyway)
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Hey, Gordon. I almost understood that. Are we both "drinking from the same cup" tonight, I wonder?

Nickers
OP Marc Chrysanthou 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: 'Both drinking from the same cup tonight'????!!!!!

I think Miss Allenby's had enough on her plate - what, with worrying about the disappearance of her fiancee, Old Davey Garnett, the seduction of her Uncle Smithers by that vixen Evil Twin, and, to cap it all, the auto da fe of the SCR membership in a sacred ceremony of death and rebirth at the striking of the 500th post - without fearing a devilish nether region assault by the 2 of you. Now get to your bunks, and Smithers will bring your bromided Horlicks.
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Almost certainly, if the cup is a glass, and darkly hued in a (an?) Homeric sense. One problem is that I'm the kind of guy who can sometimes sound 'half seas over' when I'm sober, and remarkably sober when I'm not.

Last line of my Physiocharta: Strive to be slappy!
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Totally lost me there, old chap. (Phew)

SMITHERS! Call Mr, S a taxi cab, pronto!. Put it on Marc C's account. (And Smithers, not a word of this to the commitee).....
In reply to Nick Alcock:

The wine-dark sea , Nick! (Purlease!)
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Ahhhh, the jolly old "wine dark sea" Many a poet has run aground and, moreover, come to grief, on the reef, surrounding the "wine dark sea".....
Not only me, but I can name three....

Nickers
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Huge fun, anyway,
Is all I can say.
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

So, farewell then Mr. 'Forth
A snapper from up north,
He wrote a wrote a bit, I understand,
But he must have used his other hand,
Because we hadn't a clue what he was on about.....


EJ Thribb is 13 and a half...
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Both hands, Mr 'Cock!
OP Smithers 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth: Sir, I've just received a message from Marc C - he says he's completed his valedictory poem (a variation of Mr. Sinatra's 'My Way') and is waiting in the wings..........
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> (In reply to Nick Alcock)
>
> Both hands, Mr 'Cock!

Not according to the latest edition of The Olde Rockfaxians Gazette... (and that scurilous publication...Private Eye...)

Take more water with it old chap...

Smithers! In the name of all that's holy....where the HELL is Mr. Stainforth's cab...Confound it....

In reply to Smithers:

Wow, can't wait. Hoping he's taking his time finessing it, while mere mortals like myself are bringing it ever nearer the magic 500.
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Smithers:

Thank you Smithers....ah, Smithers...come here, no...closer...Have you been at it again Smithers??? Good God man. This is an important occassion! ....Have you no sense of decorum? Right that's it....Barman! No more for Smithers, until the presentation......
OP Smithers 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth: Sir, bad news Sir! Mr. Tufty's just topped...I mean...killed himself in the billiards room (the cue's a bit bent but should be all right to use again once it's been cleaned). Left a note saying he couldn't bear to live in a world without The Poetry Thread...

Found this poem in his smoking jacket pocket -

Lights Out
by Edward Thomas

I have come to the borders of sleep,
The unfathomable deep
Forest where all must lose
Their way, however straight,
Or winding, soon or late;
They cannot choose.

Many a road and track
That, since the dawn's first crack,
Up to the forest brink,
Deceived the travellers,
Suddenly now blurs,
And in they sink.

Here love ends,
Despair, ambition ends,
All pleasure and all trouble,
Although most sweet or bitter,
Here ends in sleep that is sweeter
Than tasks most noble.

There is not any book
Or face of dearest look
That I would not turn from now
To go into the unknown
I must enter and leave alone
I know not how.

The tall forest towers;
Its cloudy foliage lowers
Ahead, shelf above shelf;
Its silence I hear and obey
That I may lose my way
And myself.





Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

OK old chap? Straight back. Stiff upper lip, don't let the boys down youve done a stirling job...we're all with you. Here get this down you...stiffen the sinews...what?
In reply to Nick Alcock:

Not sure I like this southerner's club, bearing in mind I'm a country bumpkin. (But I've got a feeling I might have some hereditary rights over Harrison's Rocks. Not quite sure. BIG SECRET.)
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Smithers:

Good work Smithers...Get Mr, Marc in here now, there's a good chap........
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock:

NOW Marc old chap...
OP Marc Chrysanthou 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Nick Alcock: thanks to everyone in the SCR for their tremendous contributions. We'll meet again......

And now, the end is near;
And so we face the past; uncertain.
With all the cigar smoke in here,
It’s time we cleaned the SCR curtains.
We've lived a life that's dull.
We’ve seen slide-shows of every high way;
But when we met real rock
We all said ‘No Way!’

Weird bets, we've had a few;
When Dazman grew a goat ‘extension’.
I did what I had to do
And sawed it through with due attention.

We’ve read Ed’s climbing book;I
magined every step of Norgay,
But when The Big One called
We all said ‘No Way!’

Yes, there were times, I'm sure we knew
When we set off without a clue.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
We turned and ran or abseiled out.
We faked it all and still stood tall;
We just said ‘No Way!’.

We've snubbed, We've cast aside.
We've dumped our share of low-class losers.
Except, as serving staff,
Who we employ cause they amuse us

To think we fooled them all
We never climbed – ‘cept on a nice day,
And as for ice and snow,
We just said “No way!"

For what is a man, what has he got?
If not his life, then not a lot!
We’d rather be someone who breathes;
Than long dead in the Pyrenees .
We never go where danger goes -
We just say ‘No Way!’
OP Smithers 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou: Lights Out gents!

Been a privilege serving you all....
Nick Alcock 22 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

HOOOORAH and god bless you all... My cup runeth over...

Nickers
Clauso 24 Dec 2003
In reply to Smithers:
> (In reply to Marc Chrysanthou) Lights Out gents!
>
> Been a privilege serving you all....

Errrmmmmm.... Any chance of a quick snifter before you clock off? There's a good chap.
 Duncan Bourne 24 Dec 2003
In reply to DazMan:
before this thread disappears to where ever it is archived.

What is going to happen to the second enstallment of the "Rime of the Godless Chipper" That was soooooooo good it deserves to be finished.

Incidently I have done a compilation of the best for family and friends and they were all very enthusiastic. So if Marc is up for a publishing job then don't over look a certain illustrator
Cheers it has been brilliant
 Marc C 24 Dec 2003
In reply to Duncan Bourne: Hey, immortality is assured- thank god I didn't post it in Down the Pub!

I like the idea of an anthology of climbing poetry with illustrations - maybe we should explore this - even as a small-scale publication (for cartoons/illutsrations you'd be 1st on my list - I'm sure your imagination would have a field day with some of the offerings!)

Re 'Rime of the Godless Chipper' - I'm sure Paul et al will at some point in 2004 create "Son of I.K.T.I.S.M.M.F." !!!! But, hey, let's have a breather..... btw Merry Christmas to all in the SCR (Smithers will be serving warm mince pies and mulled wine at 3).....
In reply to Duncan Bourne:

Duncan, I've already made it into a kind of anthology, as I'm sure many people have, but it would be good to identify the exact sources of each piece that was being parodied (I'll be sending it out to a few key players, like yourself, Nick, Marc and Paul, between Xmas and New Year for this purpose). It would be great to do this properly, and with your cartoons, and to try to get it published somewhere, even if semi-privately.
O Mighty Tim 24 Dec 2003
In reply to Gordon Stainforth: OK, so why should it be semi-privately? Oh, THOSE cartoons... I see.
Smithers, fetch this man a drink, and a mince pie. He's earned it.

May I say, to one and all, that this thread has been an inspiration. To do what, I'm not too sure, but it certainly wasn't climbing, or working.

HUZZAH!!!

Tim, TG (Known as That Little Shit, if you remember?)
In reply to O Mighty Tim:

Semi-privately? Well, I simply mean it might be quite difficult to do it commercially.

What was it all about? Humour primarily, and the sheer incongruity of some of the lines. But also i guess an underlying love of the original poetry.
Kev Wynne 24 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:
Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread, particularly the main players. Occasionally, RT produces something really special - this thread has left me feeling elated, amazed and humbled. Thank you Vmuch.

If you do produce an anthology you can put me down for a copy. What about a bit of performance poetry? This stuff would go down a storm - you could organise a tour. Put me down for a couple of tickets for the Liverpool show.
OP Marc Chrysanthou 24 Dec 2003
In reply to Kev Wynne: You mean your partner hasn't bought you the DVD 'The Rocktalk Poets live at Cloggy' for Christmas! Or maybe you'll have the signed limited edition poster (or bedspread)....

Seriously, though, thanks for your appreciation of the lads' sterling performances. Your idea of a tour doesn't seem that far-fetched! I seem to recall Ed Drummond doing a one-man climbing stage show (complete with telescopic pole, as stand-in for a rockface).... I can just picture Dazman and his telescopic 'pole'
OP Marc Chrysanthou 24 Dec 2003
In reply to O Mighty Tim: How about The Rocktalk Troubadours performing at your wedding? We'll do you a special rate - seeing it's you (in other words, charge 3 times the going rate...)
Nick Alcock 24 Dec 2003
In reply to Marc Chrysanthou:

Many thanks to all. I miss the SCR already (even Smithers)

Nickers

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