In reply to Salamanda:
> (In reply to stuartf)
> Can be laybacked, done it, but easier to jam, much easier in-fact. Unless you can`t jam very well, in which case you`ll have to layback, but thats pretty strenuous and unlikely to be done by someone who couldn`t jam it in the first place.
> Conclusion : Don`t know 8-)
I usually can jam (at least to Peak Severe standard
) - done things like 20ft at Burbage North and Avril at Stanage without too much trouble. Was just the undercut start on SCL had me stumped - will need to try again sometime, possibly on a day that's not quite so cold so I can feel what I'm doing. But then maybe it's better not to be able to feel your hands for jamming...