In reply to Mr Mike: V9 stingy?? Hmmm what grade did the first ascentionst give? BTW ive got another (as far as i know) first ascent at brimham. Its this dyno up the middle of the block left of pommel. Starts of two undercuts. Good foothold, then dyno upto the flat hold. I though V10 was an adiquate grade. Has anyone beat me to this one? I wouldnt be supprised, its a very obvious line.