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Brightside* E2 5c

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[unknown climber on brightside,e2,froggatt,peak district, 3 kb]12m. Low in the grade. From halfway up Swimmer's squirm past the arete and climb the wall by a hard move, things then ease. The direct start up right of the lower arete is Better Dead Than Smeg, E6 6c, which uses a pre-placed runner. © ROCKFAX
FA. Phil Burke 1980

Ticklists: ROCKFAX Eastern Grit: Top 500, Froggatt to Black Rocks (BMC) - The Grade List, Pete's 150 Peak Extremes.

Photo: unknown climber on brightside,e2,froggatt,peak district © rayash
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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 262 logbooks, and on 22 wishlists.

Hidden - Lead β - 04/Aug/14

ashtond6 - Lead rpt - 04/Aug/14

ashtond6 - 2nd rpt - 04/Aug/14

Lawrence Beesley-Peck - Lead rpt - 11/Jun/14 with Calum Wadsworth

Did it properly this time really nice!
Calum Wadsworth - Lead β - 11/Jun/14 with Lawrence BP

one fall/slip after the crux from nowhere......gutted
Mr Messy - Lead dog - 04/May/14 with Cath

Jimmy Hyland - 2nd O/S - 04/May/14 with Mathew Allatt

Hidden - Lead - 13/Apr/14

Hidden - 2nd β - 13/Apr/14

Rob Adie - 2014

adie84 - 2014

Frank the Husky - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

lewiz - Lead O/S - 06/Oct/13 with Veronika Sucha, Sahri

very nice!!
ashtond6 - Lead O/S - 07/Sep/13

Fear face. Do not attempt a chimney with two pairs of approach shoes on the back of your harness.
alp79 - 2nd dog - 07/Sep/13 with Mark Proctor, Jonny Ashton

An ignominious failure on a route I've led before: too sweaty, too tired and too uncoordinated
cem - Lead dnf - 21/Aug/13 with Chris Gudgeon

SMThompson1 - 2nd O/S - 20/Aug/13 with John Burrow

Hue lead Hawk's nest crack.
DaveFidler - Lead RP - 14/Aug/13 with Huw

huwtheenigma - 2nd dog - Aug/13 with david fidler

Hard move stepping downwards onto the slab. Had to rest on gear at this point as too stretched. Great route though.
gavinpeach - 2nd dog - 30/Jun/13 with James Lawson, Max Pendleton

Dibdawg - Lead β - 27/May/13 with Nate

georgedunton - 2nd O/S - 19/May/13 with Ian J F Sutcliffe

ianjfsutcliffe - Lead O/S - 19/May/13 with George, Coatesy

coming around the arete hanging from hands level of gear, really tough moves to get to standing position on the central footholds after that easy and nice.
rurp - Lead RP - 30/Apr/13

tcn_2002 - Lead - 16/Feb/13 with Ian Faulkner

ian d f - 2nd O/S - 16/Feb/13 with Tom C, Pete H

Brannock - 2nd O/S - 21/Oct/12

One rest. Looking at the comments below I think some people are missing out the hardest section of this route, the UKC description is wrong, you dont go halfway up Swimmers Chimney. Climb 3m up the chimney then move down and right onto the face, so when you move onto the face your feet will be only just above the very bottom of the face with your hands in the very lowest break. The hardest moves are getting onto the face and getting from the first break to the second break, the gear is good throughout.
Martin Haworth - Lead dog - 21/Oct/12 with John Brannock

Fell off on the crux after messing up the sequence. Hard for 5c IMO, not that soft for E2 I don't think.... Super moves.
James Oswald - Lead dog - 03/Oct/12 with deacon

Andy Peak 1 - Lead - 13/Sep/12 with Andrew Deckon

yarrow - 2nd O/S - 06/Sep/12 with Ross.Cooper

Really good!
Ross.Cooper - Lead O/S - 06/Sep/12 with Harry Yarrow

Tried doing a completely different route then realised i was leaving the crack way to low upon consulting the guidebook. so did the more logical route which was really enjoyable.
Jake Young - Lead O/S - 01/Sep/12 with Nick

Nick1812P - Lead β - 01/Sep/12 with Jake

found the chimney easy, couldnt work out what level to go around at but i think eventually found it - reach to edge way right ? Guido couldnt remember it either hmmmm
lithos - Lead dnf - 01/Sep/12

legs pumped on chimney - must improve chimneying technique!
yomteoman - 2nd - 28/Aug/12 with John Bramwell

jwpil - 2nd O/S - 18/May/12 with Deacon

Dave Foster - Lead rpt - 18/May/12 with Si 2

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 18/May/12

The severe chimney is almost the hardest bit. (Good lead Caleb x)
katherinesydney - 2nd dog - 12/May/12 with caleb kemics

First E2 onsight. Chimney is a bit of a battle. Wobbled out on the slab, was very happy to get gear in the break though placed it blind. Very balancy crux but great moves.
Kemics - Lead O/S - 12/May/12 with Katherine

Hidden - Lead - 06/May/12

phardman - 2nd rpt - 06/May/12 with Guy Maddox

Finally led it clean. Had previous led it with one fall. I find this route nails.
deacondeacon - Lead rpt - 02/May/12

Alex@home - 2nd rpt - 23/Mar/12 with The Doctor

Felt very hard this time and tricky to get right first time onsight. The crux sequence felt sustained and involved what felt like at least 2 5c moves followed by a 5b move. Super route though with fun finish.
Steve Waters, Mynydd - 2nd dog - 21/Mar/12 with Richard Waltham

Dave89 - Lead O/S - 18/Mar/12 with Dave C

gingerwolf - TR O/S - 08/Jan/12

Feels quite eliminate and a one move wonder but my what a move!
Lunar25 - Lead O/S - 08/Jan/12 with James Morrison, Dave LE

Tony Kartawick - 2012

Not so much a matter of not finishing but of going straight up (E1 5b?) instead of the true route.
Tony Holdsworth - Lead dnf - 12/Nov/11 with Martin Haworth

tonanf - AltLd - Nov/11

tuftynick - Lead - 16/Oct/11 with dave musgrove

Dave Musgrove Jnr - AltLd - 16/Oct/11 with Tufty

Hidden - Lead β - 15/Oct/11

AlistairB - Lead O/S - 15/Oct/11 with Lisa

must have read this one really badly, crux move felt hard and fell off trying it and dogged on gear after. disappointed really.
al123 - Lead dog - 09/Aug/11 with gavin

richardr - Lead O/S - 23/Jul/11

bullwinkle - 2nd O/S - 31/May/11 with Bart, John

DaveFidler - Lead dog - 29/May/11

Brown - Lead O/S - 04/May/11 with James T

pabbage - Lead - 29/Apr/11

Really nice. tricky move out onto the face. lots of gear.
markalmack - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/11 with james marjot

Really good i though, had a bit of an all round fail with rope drag and gear but made it after one slump.
Jonathan Hall - Lead - 16/Apr/11 with Rob Middleton

Hidden - Lead - 16/Apr/11

much easier today, should have had it O/S before but was too tired to finish the moves up the wall, Nice climb.
Graeme Hammond - Lead rpt - 20/Mar/11 with Becky E

Danstephens - 2nd O/S - 19/Mar/11 with Daniel Heath

Steady, well protected route. Hardest part is leaving the chimney.
slacky - Lead O/S - 12/Mar/11 with Nick Taylor, Ben

Hidden - Lead β - 06/Mar/11

Hidden - Lead dog - 25/Feb/11

nadeem - Lead O/S - 08/Feb/11 with Pete

Hidden - Lead - 2011

Hidden - 2nd dog - 2011

batterj2 - 2nd dog - 07/Nov/10 with Nick Sillem

Hidden - Lead O/S - 30/Oct/10

simondunf - Lead - 17/Oct/10 with charlie

ElvisLeg - 2nd dog - 09/Oct/10 with Ed Southwood

Hidden - TR dog - 09/Oct/10

The worst E2 I've done, uncharacteristically hard move out of the chimney in between 2 sections of VS climbing. Fell off the crux a couple of times whilst trying to find out where the route went and couldn't face climbing the polished chimney again so re-started from the chimney. Nice climbing on the upper slab though.
petellis - Lead RP - 25/Sep/10 with Alaan

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 31/Aug/10

Hidden - Lead β - 15/Aug/10

Hidden - Lead - 01/Aug/10

Audrey @ The Castle - Lead β - Jun/10

highrepute - Lead O/S - 30/May/10

HamishD - Lead O/S - 14/May/10 with pete graham

Chris M - Lead - 08/May/10 with rach d

Tony Holdsworth - 2nd O/S - 07/May/10 with Guido

Hidden - Lead O/S - 21/Apr/10

The lower way is hard, top way is easy
Mr Powly - Lead dog - 21/Apr/10 with Tom Everett

burto - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/10 with fergus

Clean from the chimney after the first attempt to leave it a little too high. The wall feels very steady once established especially after the desperate chimney! Cross with myself for fluffing this while feeling rubbish.
jkarran - Lead dog - 05/Apr/10 with Matt

mattyork2 - 2nd - 05/Apr/10 with James Karran

Not good with a migrain and next the bloody remains of a fall just a few hours earlier. Come back when feeling better
middle aged slob - Lead dog - 21/Mar/10

Hidden - Lead - 12/Mar/10

Gambit - Lead O/S - 11/Mar/10 with Steve

Seymore Butt - 2010

gordonday - Lead β - 2010

About as bottom end E2 and soft 5c that's possible. Enjoyable moves onto the arete which were balancy. Some nice moves on good holds to follow and finished with a stiff mantleshelf.
Cragrat Rich - Lead O/S - 29/Oct/09

Ketu - 2nd O/S - 29/Oct/09 with Rich, Emma

Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/Oct/09

Good route.
Dave Foster - 2nd O/S - 18/Oct/09 with Andy

mark s - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/09 with andi,grimer

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Aug/09

Hidden - 2nd dog - 23/Aug/09

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 16/Aug/09

jchenoweth - Lead O/S - 16/Aug/09 with Chris K

Hard! Start up the awkward chimney, then drop down out right by some really tricky moves and relatively poor protection. Sort of got my left hand on the arete, and bridged and reached round with my right hand to the poor break, then swung my right foot round onto a small hold and keep moving right, then use crimps to get yourself established on the top wall. Really really nice moves, possibly worth 3 stars if it didn't feel unnatural to break off from the chimney.
Reaver2k - 2nd O/S - 04/Jul/09 with Michael Watson

DavidR - Lead O/S - 13/Jun/09 with Holly Adamthwaite

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 13/Jun/09

gordonday - Lead dog - 11/Jun/09 with clive

Hidden - Lead O/S - 30/May/09

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 30/May/09

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 26/May/09

craig d - Lead O/S - 07/May/09 with Mick Fox and Simon Kincaid

Tom Briggs - Jagged Globe - Lead - 26/Apr/09 with Nic and Katherine

Dropped down too low into the E5 and got pumped stupid. After a sit on the rope made it back to the chimney and then completed. Does being off route in a big way count as a dog?
bigphil - Lead dog - 18/Apr/09 with Steve & Elsa

mel holmes - 2nd - 08/Apr/09 with Alex@home

Becky E - 2nd dog - 05/Apr/09 with Phil Lee

aaron7 - TR O/S - 27/Mar/09

Somerset swede basher - Lead O/S - 22/Mar/09 with Nick Payne

Hidden - Lead - 15/Mar/09

Ground up with two falls. Was a bit wet, so smearing on the wet lichenous pebbles was well sketchy. Glad I stuck with it, good route.
Tom Last - Lead - 28/Feb/09 with Denise

Gareth Clendinning (UBMC) - Lead O/S - 31/Jan/09 with Cocky

adam coxsell - 2nd - 31/Jan/09 with Gareth

Hidden - Lead O/S - 02/Jan/09

jonnybull - Lead O/S - 2009

In the dark
Pete Graham - Lead O/S - 28/Nov/08 with Luke Porter

mic_b - Lead rpt - 17/Oct/08

Great route. Moved around the arete fine but then fluffed the move up to the little flake. Short rest then got it fine. Frustrating but still fun.
PenJD - Lead dog - 11/Oct/08 with Dave Johnson

John Lisle - Lead - 28/Sep/08 with JDP, RS

smudge - Lead O/S - 25/Sep/08 with Rob

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 23/Sep/08

good piece of chimneying, followed by easyish face climbing protected by good opposing wires.
Alex Mason - Lead O/S - 11/Sep/08 with Norwich Rodger

Hidden - Lead dog - 20/Jul/08

morganator - 2nd O/S - 08/Jul/08 with Martin Cooper

TomHaigh - 2nd dog - 16/Jun/08 with Doug

Hidden - Lead dog - 05/Jun/08

Hidden - Lead - 22/May/08

Hidden - 2nd - 26/Apr/08

WB - Lead rpt - 13/Mar/08 with Jim

Great stuff. Fantastic moves.
joe larner - Lead O/S - 11/Feb/08 with Simon

lowersharpnose - Lead - 01/Jan/08

jamesturnbull - Lead - 2008

daveagriff - Lead - 2008

Hidden - Lead dog - 26/Nov/07

Dan 85 - 2nd O/S - 11/Nov/07 with John

2nd attempt ground up having muffed the onsight. Worth spending time checking out possible sequence from ground as crux moves felt pretty hard to read on the move.
Owen W-G - Lead RP - 06/Oct/07 with Max

Coel Hellier - Lead - Oct/07

Hidden - Lead dnf - 26/Sep/07

Brian Rodgers - Lead O/S - 23/Sep/07 with Dave Smith

Apharri - Lead O/S - Sep/07 with Dave Wharton

Hidden - Lead dog - 27/Aug/07

Hidden - TR dog - 11/Jul/07

Stig - Lead O/S - 11/May/07 with Charlie Reade-Jahn

Hidden - Lead dog - 2007

Hidden - Lead rpt - 2007

Hidden - 2007

Stuart Johnston - Lead O/S - 26/Nov/06 with g taylor

Hidden - Lead O/S - 18/Nov/06

Andrew Sloan - 2nd dog - 12/Nov/06

Hidden - Lead dnf - 03/Nov/06

Martin Haworth - Lead RP - Nov/06 with Andy

Ben1983 - Lead O/S - 24/Sep/06

Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH - Lead rpt - 12/Aug/06 with Chris Moran

Joe Costello - Lead O/S - 12/Aug/06 with Matt

Stepped around the arete too high, apparantly...
Pythonist - Lead O/S - 12/Aug/06 with Alun Evans

Hidden - Lead - 25/May/06

Hidden - Lead - 15/Apr/06

Boy - 2006

dan gibson - 2006

UndercoverElephant - Lead O/S - 2006

Phill Mitch - Lead O/S - 2006 with nigel

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Feb/05

Tom Briggs - Jagged Globe - 2005

Ram MkiV - Lead O/S - 2005 with Chris Ramsden

willackers - Lead O/S - 2005 with Rob Napier

Chris M - 2005

brownie mike - 2005

NeilGriffiths - 26/Sep/04 with Dave Garry

Hidden - Lead O/S - Sep/04

Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH - 2nd O/S - 30/Aug/04 with Pete Crawforth

Unseconded. Not an onsight as I'd top-roped it about 3 years earlier and I remembered the lower half of it
cem - Lead β - 18/Jul/04

Hidden - 2nd - 12/Jun/04

Hidden - TR - 30/May/04

bigphil - Lead O/S - 23/May/04 with Nick

Stefan - 2nd dog - 12/May/04 with Simon

tommytwotone - 2nd O/S - 02/May/04 with Richard Hatton

nickdonohue - 2nd - 2004 with Joe Brown

Hidden - Lead RP - 19/Oct/03

Dave Bond - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/03 with Rich Hatton

Hidden - Lead rpt - Aug/03

Hidden - Lead dog - May/03

ArnaudG - Lead rpt - May/03 with Dunc

The Pylon King - Lead O/S - Mar/03 with Laura

marcoleptic - Lead O/S - 2003 with Ian Mac, Akhil

ArnaudG - 2nd - Jun/02 with Jon

Duncan I - 2nd - 2002 with Arnaud G

The Pylon King - Lead O/S - 2002

marcoleptic - Lead O/S - 2002 with Tommo

Hidden - 2nd - 27/May/01

Hidden - Lead - 20/May/01

Hidden - Lead - 06/May/00

sadams - Lead - 06/Feb/00 with John Boyle

Hidden - 2000

tlr - 2nd - 2000 with Nick

Hidden - Lead - 2000

tuftynick - Lead - 2000

Jon Read - Aug/99

chris sm - 2nd dog - 17/Jul/99 with Neil Binns

ajc - 2nd dog - 20/Jun/99

Ropeboy - Lead - 05/Jun/99

Rich Kirby - Lead - 06/Apr/99 with Paul Tanton

Billg - Lead O/S - Mar/99 with Nikki Palfrey

Dave Musgrove Jnr - Lead - 31/Dec/98 with Nick Ashton

ChrisJD - Lead - Aug/98 with TimSp

Hidden - Lead - 18/Oct/97

goi.ashmore - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/97 with Dave Banham-Hughes

Hidden - Lead - 15/Oct/95

Hidden - Lead O/S - Jun/95

Hidden - Lead - 23/May/95

John Southworth - Lead O/S - May/95

Chris Ellis - Lead dog - 27/Apr/95 with Rachel Nicolson

Hidden - 2nd - 1995

Okecroak - Lead - 24/Sep/94 with J. Homewood

Hidden - TR - 10/Jul/94

Hidden - Lead - 14/Jun/94

ste_d - 2nd O/S - 11/Mar/94 with mik

Hidden - Lead - 24/Aug/93

frost - Lead - Jul/93

NickJH - Lead O/S - Jun/93 with I Smith

mikedelderfield - Lead O/S - 01/May/93 with Steven Delderfield

charlesmfrench - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/93

Hidden - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/93

Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Mar/93

IanD353 - Lead O/S - Mar/93

Hidden - 2nd dog - 10/Oct/92

Rich Kirby - Lead O/S - 14/Sep/92 with Bruce woodley

Hidden - Lead - 14/May/92

Chris Reid - Lead O/S - Apr/92 with Oliver Allen

Roget - Lead O/S - 12/Jan/92

Chris Wright - Lead O/S - 19/Jan/91

Hidden - 1991

Marti999 - Lead - 1990

Hidden - Lead O/S - Oct/89

Hidden - Lead - 05/May/89

Hidden - 1989

Hidden - Lead - 24/May/88

Hidden - 2nd - 29/Mar/88

Neil R - Lead - 26/Aug/87 with Richard W

shark - Lead - Nov/86 with Seb Grieve

Hidden - 2nd - 12/Apr/86

Hidden - 2nd - 16/Aug/84

Mark Kemball - 2nd - 11/Apr/83 with Dave Kenyon

Ghastly Rubberfeet - Solo - 1982

ewar woowar - 1982

andy gittins - 1978

David Smith - 1970

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Total votes cast 188
hard E30 of 61
E30 of 61
easy E30 of 61
hard E29 of 61
E235 of 61
easy E212 of 61
hard E15 of 61
E10 of 61
easy E10 of 61
hard 6a0 of 63
6a0 of 63
easy 6a1 of 63
hard 5c16 of 63
5c40 of 63
easy 5c5 of 63
hard 5b1 of 63
5b0 of 63
easy 5b0 of 63
3 Stars6 of 64
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Style of ascent

Soloed1 of 262 (0.4%)
Lead168 of 262 (64.1%)
Followed61 of 262 (23.3%)
Toproped6 of 262 (2.3%)
Alt Leads2 of 262 (0.8%)
Unknown24 of 262 (9.2%)

'Climbed'91 of 262 (34.7%)
clean O/S96 of 262 (36.6%)
clean β11 of 262 (4.2%)
clean rpt16 of 262 (6.1%)
clean RP6 of 262 (2.3%)
dogged37 of 262 (14.1%)
dnf5 of 262 (1.9%)