Side runner wot
Albachoss - Lead O/S - 26/Apr/15 with Jake Young
Wouldn't want to be much shorter
Jake Young - Lead O/S - 26/Apr/15 with Alex Banks
robertmichaeladams - Lead - 25/Apr/15 with Tim
Tim Rodgers - 2nd - 25/Apr/15 with Rob Adams
Did the crux past the bulge and my psyche just evaporated. Strange as I normally enjoy the buzz on a big run out. Too many people about I think. Reversed the crux which was tasty and finished up the offwidth. Saved the onsight for later.
Andrew Wilson - Lead dnf - 19/Apr/15 with jon stewart
ned_85 - 2nd - 12/Apr/15 with Sean Chu
Senna - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/15 with Ned
Made the move onto the slab, came off trying to teeter along it. Tom had to spend 10 minutes kicking the hex i fell on before it came out.
JRJones - Lead dnf - 07/Mar/15 with Tom McCabe
Seymore Butt - 2015
Stuck the crux move over the bulge, then came off moving to the flake. Rope got cut when rolled along the edge of "A Little Peculiar" on the swing. End of the attempt.
Good lead by Robert after working out how to get over the bulge.
druss - 2nd dnf - 05/Oct/14 with Roberto Fernandez
Couldn't quite make the move around the bulge, gave up after 2 tries. I will be back!
Martin Bagshaw - Lead dnf - 27/Sep/14 with Neil Passmore
Messed up the sequence on the top slab, and the move round the bulge was tricky enough!
Tom.Priestley - 2nd O/S - 21/Sep/14 with Scott Quinn
Class climbing the crux isn't as confusing as everyone makes out, although my second nearly fluffed it twice and he's the grit DIVA.
Gear in the flake is pretty decent, the top didn't feel like it was 5b felt 5c still but that's probably due to bricking 'um
scott quinn - Lead O/S - 21/Sep/14 with Tom Priestley
Hidden - Lead O/S - 15/Sep/14
Andy Smallwood - Lead O/S - 15/Sep/14
Hidden - Lead O/S - 14/Sep/14
E1 5c start into an E2 5c traverse into a soft E3 5b finish? Maybe the most fluttery I've felt on an onsight !? Struggled to keep myself together on the top slab. Eeeeeeek!
Stanners - Lead O/S - 12/Sep/14 with Andy G
andy_e - TR RP - 07/Sep/14 with Jared Kitchen
robman - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/14
Couldn't make the transition onto the slap without falling. But really enjoyed the delicate upper section
gpcomps - TR dog - 22/Jul/14 with Andrew, Mike Hope
benw681 - Lead O/S - Jul/14 with Jake
Varied and exciting. Crux is ok once you work it out, then top section is pretty thrilling...
Ewano - Lead O/S - 26/Jun/14 with Joel Brown
Couldn't figure out the move around the bulge
Tala M - 2nd dog - 26/Jun/14 with Mike Brookes
poigol5043 - 2nd - 21/Jun/14
Stefan_Morris - 2nd rpt - 18/May/14 with Edmundmorris
Felt hard, sun had come round by this time.
Ed morris - Lead O/S - 18/May/14 with stefan
yes! so glad to o/s this been wanting to get on it for a year!
bede.west - Lead O/S - 13/Apr/14 with Henry Francis
David Sherratt - Lead - Apr/14
took quite a while working out how to get round the bulge, but when i did it was alright, quite scary at the top!
pete1993 - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/14 with Katie
the type of route that becomes much easier once you've done it a few times
thevoice - Lead O/S - 16/Feb/14
Frank the Husky - 2014
Bob - 2014
mike mo - 2014
alasdair19 - 2014
jimxxx - 2014
Great climb. Scary enough, not sure if I would have found it easier in misspent youth or not.
drysori - Lead O/S - 30/Nov/13 with Dan B
Epic. Went slightly too far left at the top and slapped up for a particularly muddy bit of the break. Came off and all 3 bits of gear in the flake ripped. The only things which stopped me hitting the ground were a high side runner and Alex running down the hill to take in slack. Broken fibula!
georgeevans88 - Lead dnf - 24/Nov/13 with Alex Winter
Grippy! Hard move round the bulge followed by tenuous smearing to the break. Very intense. Top confused me as there was no gear in the break and the climbing turned nails. Went up the easy arete but BMC guide suggested the easy crack in hindsight. Solid E2 anyway!
spidermonkey09 - Lead O/S - 23/Nov/13
Awsom lead from dan!
Andy Peak 1 - 2nd - 26/Sep/13 with Dan bates
Dan Bates - 26/Sep/13
AlexRenshaw - 2nd - 14/Sep/13 with Jules McKim
Just brilliant! Uncertain step around the bulge, feels unlikely, falls into place when you commit. Top runout longer but easier than expected, except for the very finish...mad heather grabbing narrowly avoided!
julesmckim - Lead - 14/Sep/13 with Alex Renshaw
Hidden - 2nd β - 08/Sep/13
Climbster - 2nd β - 05/Sep/13 with Ian
So good! Have wanted to try this for ages and it didn't disappoint! Felt even better after doing jamming cracks for 6 days!
Bloke on a Rope - Lead O/S - 05/Sep/13 with Matt
Awsome.. Found bottom crack hardest.
wolf.leeb - Lead O/S - 18/Aug/13 with hosey
aidanb - TR β - 17/Aug/13
Took ages to work out the weird step left, but then the upper slab was great, delicate and balancy. Roasting hot, sweat dripping into eyes!
Dr Toph - Lead O/S - 22/Jul/13 with Emily
fluffed bizarre step around bulge onto slab (Weird move!must try again) then brilliant balancey slab
Velo Orange - 2nd dog - 22/Jul/13 with Toph
Absolute classic, can't wait to do it on the lead. The step across the bulge was exciting and committing, and the upper slab was excellent precise climbing. Most definitely a classic.
MischaHY - TR O/S - 11/Jul/13
Nick Sillem - Lead O/S - 16/Jun/13
Intense and amazing
icklejason - Lead O/S - 15/Jun/13
Mike W - 2nd O/S - 12/Jun/13
one of the best routes yet!! had its scary moments... i think i will wait a while before i repeat this one
Alistair Corbett - Lead O/S - 10/Jun/13 with Mike
WillDoyle - Lead rpt - 05/Jun/13 with Mike
Hidden - Lead dnf - 27/May/13
Hidden - 2nd dnf - 27/May/13
HowieB - Lead - 06/May/13
Sam Simpson - 2nd O/S - 02/May/13 with Tom Doldon
Hidden - Lead O/S - 06/Apr/13
Hidden - 2nd dog - 06/Apr/13
tcn_2002 - Lead RP - 17/Feb/13 with Ian Faulkner
Tom took a crag length whipper! And didn't fancy a second go, so I had a bash.
jacobjacob - Lead rpt - 17/Feb/13
sgl0jd - 2013
sam corbett - 2nd - 2013
Hidden - TR - 27/Oct/12
DaveAtkinson - TR - 27/Oct/12 with M.Lawton
FANTASTIC, took a while to commit to the move round the bulge, but top slab felt pretty steady if mega bold.
Graeme Hammond - Lead O/S - 20/Oct/12 with Richard Williams
after being up there twice before but being confused and finishing up the bulger, it was good to finaly get it. stepping left was the crux for me. amazing climbing on the slab.
willoates - Lead β - 08/Oct/12 with Steve
Andy Peak 1 - Lead - 14/Sep/12 with Andrew Deckon
Hidden - Lead dnf - 09/Sep/12
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 01/Sep/12
one of the best routes i have ever climbed!enjoyed the slab on second as much if not more than had i led it!
jon_gill1 - 2nd O/S - 28/Jul/12 with jim braithwaite
Charlie Zephyr Booth - AltLd O/S - 22/Jul/12 with martin broadhurst
WillDoyle - 2nd - 11/Jul/12
Hidden - Lead dog - Jul/12
Got on this first on Saturday before the sun came round. Wouldn't have fancied doing it later in the day
Nick Russell - Lead O/S - 26/May/12 with Steve Shenton
SJS - 2nd - 26/May/12 with Nick
Simon_Letman - Lead O/S - 16/May/12 with Ben
The move around the bulge was a bit of a head scratcher, after that it was plain sailing!
Dean177 - 2nd RP - 12/May/12 with Alan Dibben
saffy - Lead O/S - 12/May/12
ranga - 2nd - 12/May/12
HowieB - Lead - 15/Apr/12
Came off around the bulge.
Laurence Cowton - 2nd - 15/Apr/12 with Howie
Matt Cooke - Lead O/S - 31/Mar/12 with Rosh
Hidden - Lead dog - 25/Mar/12
no way 5c, 5b at most. Found this very easy having just climbed Matinee and Mincer.
Dan Geh - Lead O/S - 25/Mar/12 with Roxy, Thomas Geh
A real struggle. Particularly the steep crack at the start then getting out of it onto the slab. The slab looked completely blank to me.
DaveMo - 2nd dog - 25/Mar/12 with Will Tarran
disturbed_one51 - Lead - 16/Mar/12 with Wee man
Jonathan Hall - 2nd - 16/Mar/12 with Mark Williams
Steeve - Lead O/S - 02/Mar/12 with phil d
found i had no more excuses so just got on it. climbing is fairly steady but the position is amazing and the slime on the ledge above the runout added to the experience. outstanding route
Alex@home - Lead O/S - 15/Jan/12 with The Doctor
Tony Kartawick - 2012
Hidden - 2012
tumbling wizard - Lead - 2012
admackie - 2012 with chris palmer
dithered on the bulge for ages until gf shouted at me to get on with it. top slab is defo intense
nickwhimster - Lead O/S - 15/Oct/11 with Andrew Abraham
Andrew Abraham - 2nd β - 15/Oct/11 with Nick Whimster
Hidden - 2nd - 27/Sep/11
Takacs - 2nd - 02/Sep/11 with Jake Lodge
probably favourite grit route ever! Has all the best bits of grit and no finger jamming :)
thetradlad - Lead O/S - 02/Sep/11 with Rachel Takacs
Whacky move onto the slab. Could do with some nice shiny bolts though
i_a_coops - Lead β - 15/Jul/11
theotherpetehill - Lead O/S - 15/Jul/11 with Zach Stone
Budge - Lead O/S - 01/Jul/11 with Dave Valentine-Hagart
Absolutely ace. Each move takes more faith... gets a bit intense by the top.
JRae - Lead - 19/Jun/11 with C Middleton
chrism225 - 2nd β - 19/Jun/11 with jonny
chrism225 - 2nd β - 19/Jun/11 with jonny
rikbattye - Lead O/S - 17/Jun/11
Phil tried to lead but fell off on crux around the bulge. Finished up the Bulger instead. I followed up and also had a go at the crux move, but felt a bit greasy and shiny... I blame the conditions.
andyjirvin - 2nd dnf - 14/Jun/11
dangerousoldfool - 2nd O/S - Jun/11 with Budge
pie_eater_pete - 2nd - 24/May/11 with bwestwood
bwestwood - Lead O/S - 24/May/11
Scary! But grit slabbing at it's best.
fennerz - Lead O/S - 08/May/11 with Sean Grady
billb - Lead O/S - May/11 with Mark Warnet
Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Mar/11
Hidden - Lead dnf - 26/Mar/11
Felt much easier than smear test, will lead next time!
Lunar25 - 2nd O/S - 22/Mar/11 with Gedas
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 20/Mar/11
crispyboy - Lead O/S - 20/Mar/11 with Lashlin
No chalk and very damp, complete mind f##k at the top, top route strange moves:-)
hilty - Lead O/S - 22/Jan/11
JG - 2011
Annoyingly fluffed the moves up the slab and took a bit of a whipper before getting it clean.
kingholmesy - Lead - 2011 with John Stokes
John Mckeating - 2011
Hannes B - Lead O/S - 24/Oct/10 with Neil P
david morse - 2nd β - 23/Oct/10 with phil+rory
phil64 - 2nd rpt - 22/Oct/10 with rory shaw, dave morse
Absolutly fantastic, getting out of the bulger onto the traverse overto the slab was interesting, but it was a well protected move. Smearing and tip toeing up the slab was great fun. A route i'll deffinetly do again
Spidermunkie - Lead O/S - 13/Oct/10
Completely baffled by the balancey move left from the crack. Just couldn't figure out how to make it work. Very frustrating. Will be back.
PeteH - Lead dnf - 10/Oct/10 with Naomi Hart
Scary as hell even on a top rope!
paulnc - TR O/S - 09/Oct/10 with Rob Doman
Well worth waiting for
Rory Shaw - Lead O/S - Oct/10
move stepping out to slab completely baffled me, tried to stretch across in mid-conversation/while getting taken the piss out of by martini about my routine moments of faggotry that occur every few months, which then contributed to making me take a whipper and land upside down!
Bill Lawrence - Lead dnf - 25/Sep/10 with tommy martin
I'd suggest getting someone to brush the top break before going for an onsight. The last move on the slab it a bit intense on lead and it doesn't help if the top-out is covered in scrittle, grass, heather, mud and other assorted detritus. Breathtaking lead though. Probably the best route I've done on grit.
Alex Winter - Lead O/S - 22/Sep/10 with T. Selvage, C. Prescott
Not the best slab route on grit, but enjoyable.
tigertim - 2nd - 22/Sep/10 with Alex Winter
Hidden - 2nd - 22/Sep/10
Hidden - TR rpt - 21/Sep/10
Aufton - Lead O/S - 16/Sep/10 with James Laing, James Johnson
pie_eater_pete - Lead O/S - 09/Sep/10 with Jo
Hidden - Lead O/S - 30/Aug/10
juza - Lead O/S - 28/Jul/10 with Garry Cooper
irish paul - Lead O/S - 10/Jul/10 with Sarah Joyce
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 09/Jul/10
grady - Lead O/S - Jun/10
Hidden - Lead O/S - 31/May/10
Hidden - TR RP - 30/May/10
jowgli - Lead O/S - 26/May/10 with Dan Smith
smudge - 2nd rpt - 26/May/10 with Joe Shaw
More intense than an orgasm!!!! Oh and scary.
Diggler - Lead β - 21/May/10 with Johnny
westaway - Lead O/S - 20/May/10
This is everything I hate about slabs, wrapped up in one nightmare
Laurence Everitt - 2nd O/S - 19/May/10 with Mark D
This is everything I love about slabs, wrapped up in a fluffy blanket, (Laurence's face is a bonus).
Mark D - Lead O/S - 19/May/10 with Laurence Everitt
jacobjacob - Lead O/S - 09/May/10
chedder - 2nd - 02/May/10 with andy woolston
williamsd79 - 2nd dnf - 01/May/10
Fell off the last move on the slab! Took roughly a 40 ft. fall. The gear behind the creaky flake held well. Did all the hard bit and kind of mentally switched off,nonchalently pulled on some heather which had all the strength of a piece of spaghetti.Lesson learnt.The onsight has gone! Gutted.
donkster - Lead dnf - 17/Apr/10 with crooko
Adam Potter - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/10
quiffhanger - Lead O/S - Apr/10
Gareth Clendinning (UBMC) - Lead O/S - 27/Mar/10 with Rose Williams
Ebarnes - 2010
Hidden - 2010
Hidden - Lead - 2010
centurion05 - 2010
Pete Graham - Lead β - 18/Oct/09 with Malcolm Scott
thanks to Tim, for talking to me on last few moves
cobweb - Lead O/S - 17/Oct/09 with euan naismith
Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Oct/09
belay bunny turned bad - 2nd O/S - 17/Oct/09 with loundsy
Hidden - Lead O/S - 01/Oct/09
mattcyp88 - Lead β - 01/Oct/09 with Dave Spencer
datoon - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/09 with K
Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/09
Hidden - Lead O/S - 11/Jul/09
thrutch - Lead O/S - 12/Jun/09 with helen
smudge - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/09 with Rob
mattnuttall - Lead O/S - 24/May/09 with Alan Holden
Hidden - Lead - 09/May/09
Tricky crux. I thought the runout would be easy but it's pretty intense by the top!
Andrew Barker - Lead O/S - 02/May/09 with Dan O'Flynn
Hidden - Lead O/S - 21/Apr/09
mic_b - Lead O/S - 19/Apr/09
Jack Symmons - Lead O/S - 18/Apr/09 with Chris T
Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/09
NDD - 2nd - 05/Apr/09 with Dany
Dan 85 - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/09 with Mark
mark button - Lead - 27/Sep/08 with Alex Adgar
mux - 14/Sep/08 with Simon Frost ,
mbutton - Lead O/S - Sep/08 with Alex Adgar
a great route. runners in the flake are good, but feels pretty run out by the top of the slab
dave o - Lead O/S - 25/Aug/08 with Julia H
Hidden - 2nd dnf - 25/Aug/08
Terrifying runout and slightly perplexing crux.
alaan - Lead O/S - 10/Aug/08 with Bex and Phil
Annoyingly fell on VS bit at the start!
Jim Slater - 2nd dog - 10/Aug/08 with Gavin Singleton, Phil Lee
Fell off attempting to hug the block on the step left.
Becky E - 2nd dnf - 10/Aug/08 with Alan Royle
Hidden - TR O/S - 01/Jul/08
Phil Jennings - 2nd O/S - 14/Jun/08 with Kieran Leary, Outdoor ED
frost - Lead O/S - 20/May/08 with D Garry
tommytuffa - Lead β - 18/Feb/08 with Felix
Brilliant. first section a bit awkward but fantastic climbing on the upper slab.
felixthelion - Lead O/S - Feb/08 with T. Brookes
jamesturnbull - Lead - 2008
jamesturnbull - Lead - 2008
jamesturnbull - Lead - 2008
daveagriff - 2nd - 2008
Hidden - Lead O/S - 2008
Sean Kelly - 2008
JGW - 2nd - 2008 with Matt Tilley, Ali Gurney
Misha - Lead dog - 06/Oct/07
Lawrence Eccles - Lead O/S - Oct/07 with A. Crook
AJ007 - Lead O/S - 11/Aug/07 with Dan
Mike W - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/07 with Martin
Hidden - Lead dnf - 21/Apr/07
Toby Dunn - Lead O/S - 28/Mar/07 with dave evans
nasty bulgy bit to get round, otherwise very nice
tim87dj - TR dog - 04/Feb/07
jamesturnbull - 2007
Whitt - TR RP - 07/Sep/06 with Andy
Hidden - TR dog - 07/Sep/06
Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Jul/06
Yikes! Upper slab is terrifying!
Pythonist - Lead dnf - 18/Jun/06 with Cathy Lane
Coel Hellier - Lead - 09/Jun/06
wolverine - Lead O/S - Aug/05
dannyboy83 - Lead O/S - Jun/05 with Felix Coxwell
Sean_J - Lead O/S - Apr/05
Hidden - Lead O/S - Mar/05
Hidden - 2005
Hidden - 2005
Hidden - 2005
Brian Rodgers - Lead β - Aug/04 with Phil Leng
philhilo - Aug/04 with brian rodgers
We won't talk about the leader's ascent. It was quite damp...
Jon Read - 2nd - Jul/04 with Neil Foster
Apharri - 2nd β - Apr/04 with Dave Wharton
Hidden - 2nd dog - 2004
Hidden - Lead O/S - 18/Oct/03
Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH - Lead O/S - 11/Oct/03 with John Nightingale
Will always be a defining moment of my climbing career. Led with total disrespect after watching an `old bloke` succeed a week earlier and whilst still breaking HVS/E1. No idea what was going on, just got committed and shat my pants to the point of disgust. Overjoyed at the top, not with the achievement, just with staying alive. Many pints followed
Cragrat Rich - Lead O/S - Oct/03
Chris the Tall - Lead rpt - Oct/03 with Daz
northy1983 - Lead O/S - Oct/03 with andy b??
Brilliant lead beyond words - well chuffed!
Leofallon - Lead - 21/Jun/03
Hidden - Lead - 08/Jun/03
AlexRenshaw - Lead - 29/May/03 with Ted Lister
Hidden - 2nd dnf - 10/May/03
Hidden - Lead O/S - 13/Apr/03
Dave Bond - Lead O/S - 2003 with john v
Hidden - Lead - 15/Sep/02
Hidden - TR rpt - 16/Jun/02
Hidden - Lead dnf - 16/Jun/02
dan gibson - Lead O/S - 2002 with helen gibson
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 23/Sep/01
Hidden - Lead O/S - 09/Sep/01
kato'sdad - TR - 2001 with Rob Simpson
RobSimmo - TR - 2001 with Jon Berry
Hidden - Lead O/S - Oct/00
Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Aug/00
Hidden - Lead O/S - Apr/00
tlr - Lead - 2000
Peakology - TR O/S - 2000 with cat
Chalky Cat - TR O/S - 2000 with Dom Rich
nige - Lead O/S - 2000 with john buckley
Tim M - Lead O/S - 2000
bullybones - 2000
akhughes - 2000
zero six - Lead O/S - 2000
Gus - Lead - 2000 with various staffs ministers
seconded Chris Hague
Laramadness - 2nd β - 17/Oct/99
Chris the Tall - 2nd - Jul/99 with Bill G
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 02/May/99
JonBray - Lead RP - 1999
tuftynick - Lead - 1999 with ciaran troup
ChrisJD - Lead - 18/Jul/98 with AlB
with a very high side runner in the bulger next door
CrashMat Rob - Lead O/S - 04/Jul/98 with Nicky
Tim Sparrow - Lead - Jul/98 with Alex Langdon
rurp - 2nd O/S - 01/Jun/98
MONKEY78 - 2nd - 15/Feb/98 with William Wilson, James Kay, adam ellwood
Mark Riley - 2nd - 1998 with Richard Ibberson
BruceW - Lead O/S - 1998 with Keith S.
sadams - Lead - 11/Oct/97 with Hugh Cottom
Hidden - TR - 18/Jul/97
Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/May/97
switch - Lead O/S - 1997
Hidden - Lead - 07/Sep/96
WB - Lead O/S - Jul/96 with Guy
phardman - Lead - 12/May/96 with Jon Bibby
shark - Lead rpt - 10/May/96 with Pete Cole
NeilGriffiths - 1996 with Phil
AlexRenshaw - 2nd - 08/Nov/95 with Ted Lister
brady - 2nd - 13/Jun/95 with John Cameron
ste_d - Lead O/S - 12/May/95 with mik
michael burrows - TR - 23/Apr/95
Dave Musgrove Jnr - 2nd - 20/Mar/95 with Nick Ashton
AlexRenshaw - 2nd - 22/Dec/94 with Ted Lister
Billg - Lead O/S - Sep/94
Hidden - 2nd - May/94
Hidden - 2nd - 24/Aug/93
30 degrees. Who says you need cold weather for slabs?
Jon Read - Lead O/S - Aug/93
OMSKB - TR - 28/Mar/93
Hidden - Lead O/S - 13/Mar/93
Hidden - Lead - 15/Aug/92
Cowflinger - Lead - Aug/92
Hidden - 2nd - 12/May/91
channinga - 1991
led earlier in year
Rich Kirby - 2nd - 12/Sep/90 with Andy Mackay
Roget - Lead O/S - 21/Jul/90 with jim, jon
Rich Kirby - Lead O/S - 22/Apr/90 with Andy Mackay
Michael Hood - Lead - 08/Apr/90
Hidden - 1990
One of the best routes I have done. Definitely hard for the grade
Gambit - Lead O/S - 11/Jul/89 with Barney
Mike Owen - 07/Jun/89 with Paul Williams
Hidden - 2nd - 20/May/89
Dave Musgrove - Lead O/S - 07/May/89 with Paul Dawson, Kim Greenald
Hidden - Lead - 16/Apr/89
Hidden - Apr/89
goi.ashmore - Lead O/S - 04/Apr/88 with Rob Scott
Hidden - Lead - 1988
RichardMc - 2nd - 27/Jul/86 with Jon Clifford-Smith
Tom V - 1986
AlexRenshaw - 2nd - 01/Sep/85 with Sean Myles
charlesmfrench - Lead O/S - 08/Jun/85 with Dave Booth
Ghastly Rubberfeet - Lead - 1985 with Duncan Bond
andy gittins - 1984
stp - Lead O/S - 08/Jun/83
Mark Kemball - 2nd - 08/Mar/83 with Johnny Dawes
AlexRenshaw - Lead - 1983 with John Arran
Hidden - TR - 15/Feb/81
Chris Craggs - 1980
rogerskews - 1974 with Paul Barrow