Fratricide Wall** HVS 5a
[Top of Fratricide Wall at Carreg Alltrem, 2 kb]

Rockfax Description
This long and intricate route weaves a complex line up a steep wall. The climbing is sustained with plenty of hard moves interspersed with good rests, but it is thin on gear and high in the grade.
1) 4c, 21m. Climb a steep crack to a ledge. Follow the slim groove above, then easier ground back leftwards to a good stance.
2) 5a, 23m. A complex pitch. Climb a steep crack and wall to good ledges. Balance precariously right then pull up to the base of a scoop. Climb the groove above to a peg, then swing right to the arete for an airy exit. © ROCKFAX

Ticklists: North Wales Rock Graded List, Alex's Wales ticklist.

Photo: Top of Fratricide Wall at Carreg Alltrem © julesmckim
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This climb is in 143 logbooks, and on 12 wishlists.

serious route, deck potential on P1 and P2 5a moves after traversing well right of the gear, no warning in the ground up guide, has to be E1
martrin - Lead - 10/Jul/15 with Sarah Kekus

Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/Jun/15

08nbrierley - 2nd O/S - 29/Jun/15 with jamie

Full value for money HVS! Hard and scary in parts.....
JonnySchofield - AltLd O/S - 30/May/15 with Joe Fraser

tobydunford - Lead O/S - 30/May/15 with Kirsty Kerr

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 30/May/15

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/May/15

Dave Reeve - AltLd O/S - 13/May/15

Hidden - 2nd - 22/Mar/15

steveboote - Lead - 22/Mar/15 with Agnes Kowall

Hidden - Lead - 22/Mar/15

DubyaJamesDubya - 2015

We backed off P2 as started pissing down.
Danhan - 2nd dnf - 15/Oct/14 with Tom Lawfield, Nick

Hidden - Lead - 15/Oct/14

tim_mcd - Lead O/S - 28/Sep/14 with Manchi

Absorbing climbing, with a thrilling P2. Quite serious in places, particularly the scary traverse. Great move out to the arete - I went big rather than delicate!
Andy Clarke - Lead O/S - 18/Sep/14 with sk1nfl1nt

Hidden - 2nd - 18/Sep/14

Lead first pitch, second pitch steeper and interesting.
Kate Edhouse - AltLd O/S - 07/Aug/14

Hesitated on the crux losing strength but went fine when I committed (took some nifty footwork/balancing before I was confident to launch).
Louis Hume - Lead - 07/Aug/14 with Oli

HB-Pencil - 2nd β - 04/Aug/14

Great route. Top pitch is interesting throughout. Good gear where you need it. Never too hard. Massive exposure!
julesmckim - AltLd - 29/Jun/14 with Mickie Streule

Would agree tough for the grade. Made Debauchery feel easy. Super rock and super day
Dave Almond - Lead - 22/Jun/14 with Nicole Almond

Brilliant rock, lovely sunny day, midge free... superb. hard for it's grade but still a great climb.
Nicole Almond - 2nd - 22/Jun/14 with Dad

Found the thin crack v. hard but apparently missed a hold
harold walmsley - 2nd O/S - 31/May/14 with Chris Calow, Mark Hounslea

me p1, neil start of p2 then greenpeace finish - thought it felt stiff for hvs!! great route and amazing positions.
jmills94 - AltLd O/S - 05/May/14 with Neil McCallister

Lead the top pitch, exposed and committing!
anthonydouglas - AltLd O/S - 02/May/14 with Craig Letham

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 02/May/14

mark mcgowan01 - 18/Apr/14 with Anita Grey

Alex Mason - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/14 with Jemma Powell

Led P1 but took my time to commit to bold section (very runout!) Then sun disappeared and it got too cold to finish climb so abbed off the ledge
Sardien - AltLd dnf - 11/Jan/14 with Helena Robinson

mike mo - 2014

Allanfairfechan - 2014

Great traverse
jcasey2436 - AltLd O/S - 22/Jul/13 with Joe birchall

great exposure at the top
mynyddresident - Lead - 09/Jun/13 with Rach

ross brinson - Lead O/S - 19/May/13 with Chris Rees

Abi Chard - AltLd O/S - 06/May/13 with Ann B

herman0055 - Lead O/S - 30/Apr/13

JonesJ - 2nd O/S - 30/Apr/13

Nick Biven - 2013

Nails for HVS 5A
Sam Simpson - AltLd O/S - 05/Oct/12 with Tom Doldon

Led P1
Cardi - AltLd O/S - 08/Aug/12 with Tom R

guy757 - AltLd - 21/Jul/12

One of the best routes I've done. Amazing views and great rock. Scary run-out traverse right on pitch 2 followed by a harder but well protected crack climb. Finished direct which is apparently more difficult.
Dan724 - Lead O/S - 21/Jul/12 with Raji Salan

AL P1 AH P2 Great finish
Tony Holdsworth - AltLd O/S - 15/Jul/12 with Andy Lawrence

Hidden - AltLd - 26/May/12

g1m147 - AltLd - 24/Jul/11 with Mick.

cmsg - 30/Apr/11 with Richard Haszko, John Tomlinson

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 29/Apr/11

Led p2.
cem - AltLd O/S - 27/Mar/11 with Charles Mason

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

PAJames - 2011

PAJames - 2011

centurion05 - Lead O/S - 2011 with The Reverend, Bucknole

Hidden - 2011

Julian Wedd - 2nd - 2011 with A. Brierley

Great route, nice delicate move out to the arÍte
MikeLeeds - 2nd O/S - 27/Aug/10 with Kevin Bowser

Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Aug/10

Missed move right out to arete and finished direct up corner crack
Jessie Rushbrooke - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/10 with PShearman

Hidden - Lead - 15/Aug/10

alek - Lead O/S - 19/Jun/10 with Krystina Common, Charlie Tomlinson

Hidden - 2nd - 19/Jun/10

Very fun, exposed, sustained and varied.
Alexandre Buisse - AltLd O/S - 31/May/10 with Dave E. Brown

Brown - AltLd O/S - 31/May/10 with Alexandre Buisse

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 31/May/10

Hidden - 2nd - 30/May/10

Adam Booth - AltLd O/S - 09/May/10 with Tim Evans

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 09/May/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/May/10

Hidden - 2nd - 03/May/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 03/May/10

edpd1b - AltLd - May/10 with Leo Scheltinga

Stuart_Burbidge - AltLd O/S - 18/Apr/10 with Seb Anderson

metal arms - AltLd O/S - 13/Feb/10

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 08/Oct/09

Liam FLeming - Lead O/S - 16/Aug/09 with karen dalzell

Different Steve - Lead O/S - 14/Jun/09 with Clare

NeilGriffiths - 14/Jun/09 with Dave, Adam

A Crook - AltLd O/S - 14/Jun/09 with Dave Almond, Neil Griffiths

Dave Rumney - AltLd - 23/May/09 with Tanya Milner

drewish - AltLd O/S - 11/May/09 with SteveE9

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 11/May/09

top pitch awesome
barni - AltLd O/S - 13/Apr/09 with Northern

thompson1000 - AltLd - 13/Apr/09 with Barni

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Jul/08

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 13/Jul/08

Hidden - May/08

Diggler - AltLd O/S - Feb/08

Lead first pitch
ChalkBall - AltLd O/S - 27/Jan/08 with Luke Brooks

Hidden - Lead - 29/Aug/07

Lead top pitch again. More scary than the Vs it has to be said! The comment that i put about the move in Lavaredo should actually be in this section but i got them confused!!!!
HeatherF - AltLd O/S - 22/Aug/07 with Carwyn

Heather said I could have the bottom pitch, but she hadnt heard about the 'heart stopping moves' on the top one then!!
C@rwyn - AltLd O/S - 22/Aug/07 with Heather and Lee

Was fine until the peg where you are supposed to traverse instead went straight up the crack - hard! Won't forget the guidebook next time!
MikeT - Lead - Aug/07 with SK

toasted - AltLd - 29/Jul/07 with Steve Thomas

Cowflinger - Lead O/S - 18/Jul/07 with John Williams

shoulders - Lead - 18/Jul/07 with chrisevans

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Apr/07

James B - Lead - 07/Apr/07 with Phil

Hidden - 2006

beardy mike - Lead O/S - 2006 with Iain Shone

Luke Brooks - 2006

nicholas Barrowclough - Lead - 09/Sep/04

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Jun/04

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/Apr/04

Hidden - 2nd - 2004

Roget - Lead O/S - 2003 with jon

Hidden - 2nd - 18/May/02

thrutch - Lead O/S - 2002 with johnny b

Shaved Atom - Lead O/S - 2001

buxtoncoffeelover - 2nd - Jun/99

Hidden - Lead - 02/May/99

Hidden - AltLd - 03/Sep/98

Brian Rodgers - AltLd O/S - 31/Aug/98 with Geff

Hidden - AltLd - 1998

michael burrows - AltLd - 27/Apr/97 with brian jones

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Jun/96

babymoac - AltLd - 09/Jul/95 with cash

Marti999 - Lead - 18/Jun/95

Ched - Lead O/S - 1995 with Glanfor

bullybones - 1995

sdht - 19/Jun/94 with Dave Ward

Hidden - Lead - 30/May/94

malc - 2nd - 17/Apr/94

Hidden - AltLd - 18/Sep/93

Hidden - Lead O/S - 21/Jun/92

Hidden - 1992

andrew300169 - AltLd O/S - 27/Aug/91 with Tim

frost - Aug/91

tlr - AltLd - 28/Jul/91 with Cal

Andy Say - Lead O/S - 30/Jun/91

andrew300169 - AltLd - 1991 with Pom

Hidden - 2nd - 02/Dec/90

Neil R - Lead O/S - 26/May/90 with Sharon

Hidden - AltLd - 26/May/90

Hidden - AltLd - 1990

AlanLittle - Lead - Jul/89 with Tim Dillon

nigehughes - Lead - Apr/89 with Bill Nash

michael burrows - AltLd O/S - 29/Mar/87 with steve williams

Hidden - AltLd - 05/May/86

Bolt Phobia - AltLd - 18/Feb/76 with John Broadwell

mikej - AltLd - 12/Apr/71 with John Bickerdyke

Users with this climb on their wishlist are:
MikeLell, DanChad, druss, poeter210, Superchop75, PanzerHanzler, sgl0jd, EAYL

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