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Fratricide Wall** HVS 5a

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This long and intricate route weaves a complex line up a steep wall. The climbing is sustained with plenty of hard moves interspersed with good rests but it is thin on gear. High in the grade. Photo on page 168 1) 4c, 21m. Climb a steep crack to a ledge. Follow the slim groove above then easier ground back leftwards to a good stance 2) 5a, 23m. A complex pitch. Climb a steep crack and wall to good ledges. Balance precariously right then pull up to the base of a scoop. Climb the groove above to a peg, then swing right to the arete. © ROCKFAX

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This climb is in 97 logbooks, and on 8 wishlists.

Hidden - Lead O/S - 19/May/13

Abi Chard - AltLd O/S - 06/May/13 with Ann B

herman0055 - Lead O/S - 30/Apr/13

JonesJ - 2nd O/S - 30/Apr/13

Hidden - 2013

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 05/Oct/12

Led P1
Cardi - AltLd O/S - 08/Aug/12 with Tom R

guy757 - AltLd - 21/Jul/12

One of the best routes I've done. Amazing views and great rock. Scary run-out traverse right on pitch 2 followed by a harder but well protected crack climb. Finished direct which is apparently more difficult.
Dan724 - Lead O/S - 21/Jul/12 with Raji Salan

AL P1 AH P2 Great finish
Tony Holdsworth - AltLd O/S - 15/Jul/12 with Andy Lawrence

Hidden - AltLd - 26/May/12

Hidden - AltLd - 24/Jul/11

cmsg - 30/Apr/11 with Richard Haszko, John Tomlinson

iceaxejuggler - AltLd O/S - 29/Apr/11 with Richard Haszko

Led p2.
cem - AltLd O/S - 27/Mar/11 with Charles Mason

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

centurion05 - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Julian Wedd - 2nd - 2011 with A. Brierley

Great route, nice delicate move out to the arête
MikeLeeds - 2nd O/S - 27/Aug/10 with Kevin Bowser

Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Aug/10

Missed move right out to arete and finished direct up corner crack
Jessie Rushbrooke - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/10 with PShearman

alek - Lead O/S - 19/Jun/10 with Krystina Common, Charlie Tomlinson

Hidden - 2nd - 19/Jun/10

Very fun, exposed, sustained and varied.
Alexandre Buisse - AltLd O/S - 31/May/10 with Dave E. Brown

Brown - AltLd O/S - 31/May/10 with Alexandre Buisse

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 31/May/10

Hidden - 2nd - 30/May/10

Hard!!!
Adam Booth - AltLd O/S - 09/May/10 with Tim Evans

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 09/May/10

Did both pitches. Fantastic Route! Second pitch was -wonderful-!
brockers - Lead O/S - 03/May/10 with Maggie Bass

Hidden - 2nd - 03/May/10

edpd1b - AltLd - May/10 with Leo Scheltinga

Stuart_Burbidge - AltLd O/S - 18/Apr/10 with Seb Anderson

metal arms - AltLd O/S - 13/Feb/10

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 08/Oct/09

offroute - Lead O/S - 16/Aug/09 with karen dalzell

Different Steve - Lead O/S - 14/Jun/09 with Clare

NeilGriffiths - 14/Jun/09 with Dave, Adam

A Crook - AltLd O/S - 14/Jun/09 with Dave Almond, Neil Griffiths

Dave Rumney - AltLd - 23/May/09 with Tanya Milner

drewish - AltLd O/S - 11/May/09 with SteveE9

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 11/May/09

top pitch awesome
barni - AltLd O/S - 13/Apr/09 with Northern

thompson1000 - AltLd - 13/Apr/09 with Barni

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Jul/08

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 13/Jul/08

Hidden - May/08

Diggler - AltLd O/S - Feb/08

Lead first pitch
ChalkBall - AltLd O/S - 27/Jan/08 with Luke Brooks

Lead top pitch again. More scary than the Vs it has to be said! The comment that i put about the move in Lavaredo should actually be in this section but i got them confused!!!!
hetaher - AltLd O/S - 22/Aug/07 with Carwyn

Heather said I could have the bottom pitch, but she hadnt heard about the 'heart stopping moves' on the top one then!!
C@rwyn - AltLd O/S - 22/Aug/07 with Heather and Lee

Was fine until the peg where you are supposed to traverse instead went straight up the crack - hard! Won't forget the guidebook next time!
MikeT - Lead - Aug/07 with SK

toasted - AltLd - 29/Jul/07 with Steve Thomas

Cowflinger - Lead O/S - 18/Jul/07 with John Williams

shoulders - Lead - 18/Jul/07 with chrisevans

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Apr/07

James B - Lead - 07/Apr/07 with Phil

Hidden - 2006

mike kann - Lead O/S - 2006 with Iain Shone

Luke Brooks - 2006

nicholas Barrowclough - Lead - 09/Sep/04

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Jun/04

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/Apr/04

Hidden - 2nd - 2004

Roget - Lead O/S - 2003 with jon

Hidden - 2nd - 18/May/02

Shaved Atom - Lead O/S - 2001

buxtoncoffeelover - 2nd - Jun/99

Hidden - Lead - 02/May/99

Brian Rodgers - AltLd O/S - 31/Aug/98 with Geff

michael burrows - AltLd - 27/Apr/97 with brian jones

babymoac - AltLd - 09/Jul/95 with cash

Marti999 - Lead - 18/Jun/95

Ched - Lead O/S - 1995 with Glanfor

sdht - 19/Jun/94 with Dave Ward

malc - 2nd - 17/Apr/94

Hidden - AltLd - 18/Sep/93

Hidden - Lead O/S - 21/Jun/92

Hidden - 1992

andrew300169 - AltLd O/S - 27/Aug/91 with Tim

frost - Aug/91

tlr - AltLd - 28/Jul/91 with Cal

Andy Say - Lead O/S - 30/Jun/91

andrew300169 - AltLd - 1991 with Pom

Hidden - 2nd - 02/Dec/90

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/May/90

AlanLittle - Lead - Jul/89 with Tim Dillon

nigehughes - Lead - Apr/89 with Bill Nash

michael burrows - AltLd O/S - 29/Mar/87 with steve williams

Hidden - AltLd - 05/May/86

Bolt Phobia - AltLd - 18/Feb/76 with John Broadwell

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Voting
Total votes cast 60
hard E10 of 21
E10 of 21
easy E17 of 21
hard HVS12 of 21
HVS2 of 21
easy HVS0 of 21
hard VS0 of 21
VS0 of 21
easy VS0 of 21
hard 5b0 of 19
5b0 of 19
easy 5b3 of 19
hard 5a6 of 19
5a10 of 19
easy 5a0 of 19
hard 4c0 of 19
4c0 of 19
easy 4c0 of 19
3 Stars12 of 20
2 Stars8 of 20
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Style of ascent

Lead27 of 97 (27.8%)
Followed13 of 97 (13.4%)
Alt Leads40 of 97 (41.2%)
Unknown17 of 97 (17.5%)

'Climbed'48 of 97 (49.5%)
clean O/S49 of 97 (50.5%)