Rockfax Description
18m. The deep groove with wide crack gives a satisfying if awkward pitch. Finish direct, or if harassed head easily out right. © Rockfax

FA. John Whittle 1966

Ticklists: 100 More Classic British VS Climbs, Lancashire's Finest, ROCKFAX Western Grit Grade List.

Luke Davies 31/Oct Lead
Hidden 12/Oct -
GPN 10/Oct Lead
with Annette
net 10/Oct 2nd


with George
khawk 24/Sep Lead O/S
Nafclimbsrocks 17/Sep Lead O/S
bantamdave 17/Sep 2nd rpt

Excellent lead for Nathan. Very steady third VS lead.

with Nathan
Chris Oldfield 11/Sep Lead O/S
with James Buckley
tmawer 31/Aug Lead rpt

Good old fashioned climbing....forgot how good this was.

with Bram
BTphonehome 31/Aug 2nd

Green arms and jeans to finish the weekend. Great scenes.

with Tony
Tommy_shaw 14/Aug Lead β
with Jason
Hidden 30/Jul 2nd rpt
Hidden 25/Jul 2nd rpt
db79 12/Jul 2nd O/S
Alex Thompson 12/Jul 2nd O/S

Epic lead for Sam, VS whilst hungover...

with Damien, Mr SCarey
Josh Hoyle 30/Jun TR
Hidden 27/Jun Lead O/S
garywalker147 27/Jun 2nd
with Elliot
noemie5438 18/Jun 2nd O/S
with Liam
miketong 03/Jun 2nd O/S

A tricky start with some solid fist jams required. I struggle to retrieve the first piece of gear which set me off badly for the route. Recovered after and enjoyed the route.

with Mike Preece
Hidden 02/Jun 2nd dnf
JenShelley 28/May TR O/S
bantamdave 16/Apr 2nd O/S


with Brian
egg-man 16/Apr 2nd
with Brian Hall
robhunt 16/Apr Lead rpt
with Ellie
JdotP 06/Apr Lead RP

Not quite onsight as getting off the ground took a number of attempts haha....

with Michael Jimenez, Magda Borkowska
Matthew Glenn 04/Nov/14 Lead O/S
sibluer ?/Nov/14 2nd
chris74 09/Sep/14 Lead RP
with Tom
Climbster 25/Aug/14 2nd β
with Ian
Bloke on a Rope 25/Aug/14 Lead O/S

Bit of a grunt, good route though!

with Matt
Jules Lane 24/Aug/14 Lead O/S

Tough but less of a nightmare than expected. Nice finish. I'm not really an off-width guy but I really think this is HVS. It's not just 1 5a section but 3 - quite sustained really.

petegunn 19/Aug/14 Lead

A good meaty pitch.

with Davina
Hidden 19/Aug/14 2nd O/S
Hidden 15/Aug/14 Lead
Hidden 15/Aug/14 2nd
Ewan Russell 28/Jul/14 Lead O/S
with Mike(Dad)
Shuttsie 01/Jul/14 Lead
with chris horrocks, sarah keast
sarahjk ?/Jul/14 2nd
switch 22/Jun/14 2nd
with John S
jon22 22/Jun/14 Lead
with si witcher
Mark Collins 14/Jun/14 TR rpt
Hidden 31/May/14 Lead O/S
bwestwood 16/May/14 Lead
sprout3099 15/May/14 Lead O/S
with Becky Wood
philgillespie ?/May/14 2nd
Hidden 19/Apr/14 Lead O/S
Hidden 19/Apr/14 Lead
chrisbartlett 30/Mar/14 2nd
tjrukc ??/2014 -
Hidden ??/2014 Lead
crossdressingrodney 12/Oct/13 2nd O/S

Hard work, not too bad if you can fist jam.

with James L
Mark Collins 10/Oct/13 Lead rpt
with Derek Robinson
Derek Robinson 10/Oct/13 2nd dog

Gutted! So close, but ran out of steam at the end. Great route.

MichaelGallimore 07/Oct/13 Lead O/S

Awkward, not too strenuous but thought provoking. beautiful finishing moves.

with Whiskey tom
damob123 22/Sep/13 2nd

Tough first move. Protection good all the way up. Really fun climb

ned_85 22/Sep/13 2nd
erbridger 22/Sep/13 Lead
petekeron 30/Aug/13 Lead O/S
with Barry Scott
stemill 16/Aug/13 Lead
with Graham
Calder 16/Aug/13 2nd
with Ste
Twisty 11/Aug/13 2nd O/S
MatthewH 08/Aug/13 Lead O/S
with Dan F, Dan
snapperdan 07/Aug/13 2nd
wil_perry 13/Jul/13 Lead

Classic 3 star route - as advertised in the guide book one pure struggle.

with Mike
mike_w18 13/Jul/13 2nd
with Will
noah 04/Jul/13 Lead O/S
with P Swire
Nigel Bond 04/Jun/13 Lead
with Ben Emery
Hidden 04/Jun/13 2nd
Goose4 04/Jun/13 Solo O/S
Hidden 25/May/13 Lead
Hidden 24/May/13 Lead
Matt Rowat 24/May/13 2nd

Hardest route of the night!

with Ross
Guyinsas 22/May/13 Lead dnf

Could not get it started, fell off without placing gear.

erictant 19/May/13 Lead O/S
with Paul
carl_123 26/Apr/13 Lead O/S
Amazoniangirl 26/Apr/13 2nd
scottidog 04/Apr/13 Lead O/S
peachos 04/Apr/13 2nd O/S

took a few goes to figure out how to get off the ground, but cleaned it when sussed. need to get back and lead that one.

Hidden 14/Mar/13 Lead O/S
fulton333 21/Oct/12 Lead
with Joe Fennel
joe_lancs 21/Oct/12 2nd
Hidden 21/Oct/12 Lead O/S
Mark Collins 05/Sep/12 Lead dnf

The pain continues, unable to get properly established in the crack above the initial moves on a route I have done a few times before. Half down climbed / fell off at an amenable height.

with Delboy
Fragmod 27/May/12 2nd
tsl42 27/May/12 TR RP

Getting off ground.

with Bill
Mike Hood 02/May/12 Lead
Hidden ?/Apr/12 Lead
Anthony Dixon 25/Mar/12 Lead
with Alan
Graeme Hammond 16/Oct/11 Lead O/S

Brilliant climbing, really enjoyed this, great end to the day :)

Hidden 15/Oct/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/Jul/11 2nd dog
bigglesbutcha 26/Jul/11 Lead rpt

FINALLY! 4th attempt, and didn't fall off this time.

with Swifty
bigglesbutcha 26/Jul/11 Lead dog

For f****s sake, took a whipper off the bottom for the third time, landed about 4inches above the ground, nut popped, cam held.

with Swifty
garywalker147 29/Jun/11 Lead O/S
with Jordan2
lost.arrow 19/Jun/11 -
with Mark Richards, Ian Ashworth
Hidden 31/May/11 Lead O/S
Glenn Sutcliffe 30/Apr/11 -
with Charl
bigglesbutcha 14/Apr/11 Lead dnf

2nd year I've tried it, 2nd time it's spat me out! Managed the first hard move this time, but faffed with gear, got pumped, took and lowered on gear, and cam popped. Simon then led.

Simon Holden (LCandCC) 14/Apr/11 Lead rpt
with Swifty
richorme 12/Apr/11 Lead O/S
with Gary Woodburn
Hidden ?/Apr/11 2nd O/S
eccyamigo 25/Mar/11 Lead O/S

Holy cow,what a wake up call....HARDEST vs ive ever done,cracking route,great 2nd by milo,lots of gear put in...take your big cams guys!!!

with Milo Dog
dannye103 06/Mar/11 TR O/S
Hidden ?/Mar/11 2nd O/S
middlevern ??/2011 -
Stuart Wildman 09/Oct/10 Lead O/S
with Neil
Hidden 04/Oct/10 2nd
tomhull 04/Oct/10 Lead O/S

a traditional battle. loved it! muddy jams and some weird moves. brilliant

with matt harris
tomo_tom ?/Jul/10 TR rpt
Hidden 26/Jun/10 2nd O/S
Mark Collins 10/Jun/10 Solo rpt
Hidden 04/Jun/10 Solo
d_meacher 03/Jun/10 Lead O/S
Viki 03/Jun/10 2nd O/S
climbing_rocks1983 15/May/10 2nd O/S
with Kieran
Leo Woodhead 15/May/10 Lead O/S
with Ian W
Ianwesterby 15/May/10 2nd
with Leo
mickJ 08/May/10 Lead
with Elliot
bexyboo ?/May/10 2nd
Hidden 24/Apr/10 Lead O/S
hellboundblr 15/Apr/10 Lead

Partner abandoned it from very low down.

with LCCC
bigglesbutcha 15/Apr/10 Lead dnf

Tricky Start, hard for a 4C, more like 5a

with Brian 2
bigglesbutcha 15/Apr/10 2nd β
with Brian 2
Rob Rocket 15/Apr/10 2nd
with Tim & Brian
david morse 30/Jan/10 Lead O/S

harder when seaping. excellent fist jamming banter

with tom+joe
Hidden 30/Jan/10 2nd dog
efrance24234 ??/2010 -
Hidden ??/2010 Lead O/S
philw ??/2010 -
Chrismoore94 ??/2010 Lead
datoon ??/2010 -
Brendan H 12/Aug/09 2nd O/S
with paul
wilkie14c 12/Aug/09 Lead O/S
with Brenden
Hidden 09/Jul/09 Lead O/S
jmarshall 02/Jul/09 Lead O/S
with ben knowles
NeilGriffiths 11/Jun/09 -
with Adam
garethtodd ?/Jun/09 TR
monkeymark 30/May/09 Lead dnf

Got 3/4 of the way up and then had no gear big enough for the cracks and bottled it! I will go back and climb through.... at some point, maybe, possibly

Calder 23/May/09 2nd
@ndy 23/May/09 Lead
with calder
kjbix 05/Apr/09 Lead
lancashirelass 05/Apr/09 2nd
with kjbix
Hidden 14/Mar/09 Lead
Lunar25 ??/2009 Lead O/S

First VS lead!!!

innesmac ??/2009 -
Hidden ??/2009 Lead
nepsoi999 30/Aug/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 14/Aug/08 Lead O/S
victim of mathematics 02/Aug/08 Lead dnf

Sliced my finger open on some broken glass above the first chockstone in the crack. Blood everywhere (sorry about that) so I beat a hasty retreat. Be wary!

jeffb 15/Jul/08 Lead O/S
with Calder
Calder 15/Jul/08 2nd
with jeffb
Hidden 13/Jul/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 15/Jun/08 Lead O/S
hellboundblr 11/Jun/08 2nd

I tried to lead first but lost my nerve 1/3 of way up.

with Adrian Goldstraw
mickJ 04/Jun/08 Lead
with paul r
..blackbird ?/Jun/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/May/08 2nd O/S
lost.arrow 25/May/08 -
Hidden 20/May/08 Lead O/S
duzinga 17/May/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 01/May/08 2nd β
Rob Davies ?/Mar/08 2nd
with Phil Ashton
Hidden 20/Feb/08 Lead O/S
Fred Sergeant 20/Feb/08 2nd O/S
with Dave Tibbins
Rachel Somerville 10/Feb/08 2nd
with Des Chadderton
mark2572 06/Jan/08 TR β

1st ever climb outdoors

with Danny
dan1stdan 06/Jan/08 TR β

My first successful outdoor climb.Not too hard a climb until the top where i took ages to find an obvious foot hold.

with Mark
daveagriff ??/2008 2nd
samking251 ??/2008 -
Hidden ??/2008 -
Hidden ??/2008 Lead O/S
galpinos 21/Oct/07 2nd rpt

Was awkaward and scary when I first lead it and it's still awkward on second.

with Nick V and Emily
DavidR 15/Sep/07 2nd O/S
MikeLeeds 15/Sep/07 Lead O/S
with Mira Slavova
Hidden 15/Sep/07 2nd
Hidden 15/Sep/07 Lead rpt
Hidden 15/Sep/07 Lead O/S
Kaiser999 ?/Sep/07 Lead
with Jonoh
steve prior ?/Sep/07 Lead
with Andy C
Hidden 12/Jun/07 Lead
rick1fugazi 03/May/07 2nd dog

Did it, don't want to do it again. Tough(ish) bottom section.

with Bob
thegavster 21/Apr/07 Lead O/S
with Dean Gaskell
Hidden 19/Apr/07 Lead O/S
Trobbo 19/Apr/07 2nd
with steve crossley
Hidden 10/Apr/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 10/Apr/07 2nd O/S
samking251 ??/2007 -
Shad ??/2007 Lead
Hidden 07/Jul/06 Lead O/S
Hidden 01/Jul/06 TR O/S
steven ?/Jul/06 Lead

Still a hard climb for the grade.

with Simon Dawson
sdawson1 30/May/06 Lead dog

Bloody ard felt more like HVS

with swifty
robman 10/May/06 Lead O/S

jamming aarhggagrharaa bit pumpy

with rick pain
Hidden 26/Apr/06 Lead β
Hidden 26/Apr/06 2nd
LAW 16/Apr/06 2nd O/S

Will be back to lead this one.

with Nick M
Simon Holden (LCandCC) ??/2006 Lead O/S

Hard start But good climb with various techniques

Hidden ??/2006 2nd
kingholmesy ??/2006 Lead O/S
with SteveOc
Johann ??/2006 Lead O/S
with Dan Price
chrishedgehog 17/Oct/05 Lead O/S
with Mark Gill
Hidden 26/Jun/05 Lead O/S
A Crook 19/May/05 Lead O/S

Well I should have guessed looking at the grade, very thrurchy all the way. Rests are basically a body jam. Plus it rained when I topped out!

Hidden ??/2005 Lead
Hidden ??/2005 Lead
Mark Collins 18/Sep/04 Lead dog
with Neil Henson
Neil Henson 18/Sep/04 2nd β

High in the grade

with Mark Collins
rovers777 ?/Aug/04 Lead
Marvino ?/May/04 2nd
with Jamie
Trobbo 11/Apr/04 2nd
with mark humphries
Rik Dawes ??/2004 Lead O/S
Stig 16/Jul/03 2nd O/S
with Jonathan Teale
Mark A Humphries 11/Apr/03 Lead O/S
with Terry Robinson
Hidden ?/Apr/03 2nd O/S
Hidden ??/2003 Lead O/S
Hidden ??/2003 Lead
jsw1 17/Apr/02 2nd O/S
with Richard Toon
Hidden ??/2002 Lead
Adam Lincoln ??/2002 Lead
nige 19/Jun/01 Lead
with john buckley
Hidden ?/Jul/00 Lead
John Marsland 28/May/00 2nd
with Mark Tolver
nick bamber ??/2000 -
alpinismo.uk ??/2000 2nd
csw ?/Jul/99 Lead
lost.arrow 14/Mar/99 Lead
with Gill Heartly
Neil Conway ??/1998 Lead O/S
aldred ??/1998 2nd O/S
Hidden ?/Oct/95 TR
kitch01 13/Aug/95 Solo
Hidden ??/1995 -
Hidden ??/1995 -
Hidden 10/Jul/94 Lead
Duncan Bourne 04/Jun/94 Lead O/S
with P Agnew
neilh ??/1994 -
Dave Westby ??/1993 Lead

I soled it once but done it since and struggled

with Garry Nuttal
CBA ??/1993 -
Hidden ??/1993 Lead O/S
adi bryant ?/Nov/92 Lead O/S
with Dom
Rob Davies 10/Oct/92 Lead rpt
Hidden 22/Jun/92 2nd
IanGilbertJones 11/Apr/92 TR β
Hidden 07/Sep/91 Lead O/S
ellie macpherson ?/Aug/91 2nd
with Graeme Jarvis
Hidden 09/Nov/90 Lead
Neil R 11/Mar/90 Lead O/S
with Sharon
Roget 25/Feb/90 2nd O/S
with jim
whispering nic ?/Oct/89 -
with Gaz Smith
Hidden 08/Mar/89 Lead
badgy ??/1989 Lead

Hard Start

mik1miller ??/1989 Solo
with gary deane
mattnuttall ??/1989 Solo
with Alan Holden
Hidden 23/Dec/88 Lead
andy tetsill ?/Nov/88 Lead
with Joy
Hidden 05/Jul/88 Lead
Hidden 26/Mar/88 Lead
andy farnell ??/1988 -
steve taylor ?/Oct/87 2nd
with Nick Smith (BB)
goi.ashmore 29/Aug/87 Solo O/S
Carl Smethurst 02/Jun/86 TR O/S
Sean Kelly ?/May/86 -

Surely a sandbag!

with Martin Mandel
Tony Buckley ?/Oct/85 Lead

First VS lead

BigHairyIan 19/Jun/84 2nd O/S
Derek Ryden ??/1983 Lead O/S
with Glynne Andrew
Hidden 22/Aug/82 AltLd O/S
Mark Kemball 11/Aug/82 Lead
with John Fletcher
Rob Davies ?/Jul/82 2nd

Date? "Hideous"

with Tony Welsh
Hidden 25/May/82 2nd
Bob 14/Feb/82 -
Ken Taylor 01/Aug/78 Lead
with Alan Brooks
Hammy 21/May/78 Lead
with Jonathon Stacey
Hidden 03/Apr/78 Lead
Hidden ??/1978 AltLd
Mark Kemball 28/Jul/77 Solo
climbing_goose ??/1976 2nd

fantastic climb once i could get off the ground!

with dave colsey
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