Karwendel Wall** HVS 5b
[Climber on Karwendel Wall, 2 kb]34m.

Rockfax Description
A cruxy route with interesting moves on good rock. Start just right of a small spike, about 4 metres left of the more obvious ramp-line of Kaisergebirge Wall. Follow a shallow groove past a spike to reach Kaisergebirge Wall. Climb this up and left to a sloping ledge by a thin vertical crack. Arrange gear in the crack and move up and left to where a cruxy traverse rightwards gains the top of the crack and a hidden hold. Follow the easier ramp/flake-line leading diagonally up and right to a ledge and belay. © ROCKFAX

UKC Logbook Description
A short but interesting wall. Start at a small spike left of Kaisergerbirge Wall.
Climb the shallow groove right of the spike to join the Kaisergebirge Wall traverse. From the sloping platform climb up bearing slightly left until a difficult move right to a sharp hidden hold enables the obvious traverse line to be followed up right to easy ground. Ascend to Lords. (p 89 Llanberis Climber's Club guide 2009)


H I Banner, J O'Neil, R Beesly 02/Aug/1958

Ticklists: North Wales Rock Graded List.

Photo: Climber on Karwendel Wall © Sarah_Clough
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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 242 logbooks, and on 11 wishlists.

Hard move at the start! The crack crux isn't that bad when you go for it, I took longer than I intended though. The abpoint at the top is starting to show signs of decay (outer of the rope nearly through at the maillon point)
Sardien - Lead O/S - 30/Jul/15 with Marija

James Oakes - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/15 with Gareth Hooson

Fragmod - 2nd - 25/Jul/15

Hidden - 2nd - 19/Jul/15

Hidden - 15/Jun/15

Hard.
Matthew Ferrier - Lead O/S - 15/Jun/15 with Tom Appleby

Didn't really feel like 5b, hard move.
Teappleby - 2nd - 15/Jun/15 with Matt Ferrier

cem - Lead O/S - 13/Jun/15 with Kirill Spiridonov

Hard for the grade.
Kirill - 2nd O/S - 13/Jun/15 with Charles Moreton

Hardcore Pat - Lead O/S - 08/Jun/15 with Dr Julie

NickJH - Lead rpt - 07/Jun/15 with LiamG

jon22 - Lead - 07/Jun/15 with Dave Holland

guy757 - 24/Apr/15

lovely climbing up the lower groove. the step right is bloody hard don't hang around too long either!
JamesWilliams - Lead O/S - 10/Apr/15 with beckyjg

sgl - 2nd rpt - 10/Apr/15 with Phil, Bart

Hidden - 2nd - 10/Apr/15

beckyjg - 2nd - 10/Apr/15

Hidden - Lead rpt - 09/Apr/15

Derek Ryden - 2nd rpt - 09/Apr/15 with Mike Pycroft

Rpt. Not sure if it should be E1, but it's not far off. Harder than Kaiserberge
jezb1 - Lead - 08/Apr/15

Hidden - Lead - 08/Apr/15

Brannock - 2nd - 06/Apr/15

Luke Brooks - Lead O/S - Apr/15

Sort of semi-soloed, semi self belayed up this to retrieve ropes (don't ask). Taking faff to new extremes.
Stroppy - Lead O/S - 22/Mar/15

Martin Bagshaw - 2nd O/S - 15/Nov/14 with Luke Green

Hidden - 2nd dog - 07/Sep/14

Climbed this several years ago. Awkward little crux sequence.
Andrew Sloan - 2nd rpt - 07/Sep/14 with Chris Gooder

With 'hidden'
steveboote - Lead - 07/Sep/14

jamestaylor92 - Lead O/S - 06/Sep/14 with Edmond Morris

Dizz - 2nd O/S - 17/Jul/14 with David

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 13/Jul/14

Hidden - Lead O/S - Jul/14

rbruce - 2nd - 17/Jun/14 with Derek Miller

Hidden - Lead rpt - 03/Jun/14

khalidq - 2nd O/S - 03/Jun/14 with Dan Vajzovic

Dan Vaj - Lead - 03/Jun/14 with Khalid

andycash - 2nd dog - 29/May/14 with Ash

Ash Sayers - Lead O/S - 29/May/14

JulesV - Lead O/S - 18/May/14

Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/May/14

Ed Booth - 2nd O/S - 11/Apr/14 with Fennerz, Adam Booth

Adam Booth - 2nd O/S - 11/Apr/14 with Tom Fenwick, Ed Booth

fennerz - Lead O/S - 11/Apr/14 with Ed and Adam

Cruxy but alright.
shed_hed - Lead O/S - 01/Apr/14 with Dougie Swanson-Low

One hard section with good gear.
dswansonlow - 2nd O/S - 01/Apr/14 with Darren McMaster

Chris Manasseh - 2nd - 15/Mar/14 with Mike Buddle

Hidden - 2014

Neil - 2nd - 2014

Si - 2014

mike mo - 2014

Allanfairfechan - 2014

Hidden - 2014

Lenny - Lead O/S - 22/Sep/13 with Vun

jon22 - Lead - 01/Sep/13 with manxclare, tony ball

manxclare - 2nd - 01/Sep/13 with jon22

mop449 - 2nd β - Sep/13 with Jerry Handren

Colin Scotchford - Lead - 31/Aug/13

redjerry - Lead O/S - 31/Aug/13 with Danny

Hidden - 29/Aug/13

Really good pitch of climbing. Good fun and good gear.
jezb1 - Lead - 27/Aug/13

Curly Rich - 2nd O/S - 23/Aug/13 with GMC Tris

metal arms - 2nd - 23/Aug/13

Hidden - Lead O/S - 19/Aug/13

Yes I'd agree with E1
PaulTanton - Lead O/S - 28/Jul/13 with Ken McBride

guy757 - 01/Jul/13

WillCass - Lead - 02/Jun/13 with Monika

Chris Wright - Lead - 25/May/13

One tricky section.
Duncan Campbell - 2nd - 02/May/13 with Florence the Machine

wi11 - Lead O/S - 19/Feb/13 with Gwen L

DubyaJamesDubya - 2013

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2013

one stiff move.
Ollie B - Lead O/S - 06/Sep/12 with T.Ripley

Dan724 - Lead O/S - 26/Aug/12 with Gareth James

Cardi - 2nd rpt - 26/Aug/12 with Dan

Excellent route. Hard for the grade (I'd give it E1), but well-protected where it needs to be. The crux is a fine but powerful (at this grade) sequence.
djones66 - Lead O/S - 11/Aug/12 with Stve mc D

mattyork2 - Lead O/S - 27/Jul/12 with Johnny Richard

jiles - 2nd RP - 22/Jul/12 with Alex Winter

Led after Jake lowered from the crux. Nice and cruxy.
Alex Winter - Lead β - 22/Jul/12 with J. Iles-Smith

Gerallt Owain - AltLd O/S - 21/Jul/12 with Dan Jones

Second attempt at lead, and failed on crux again! Ok with rope above! Hard for grade!
Danjones - 2nd rpt - 21/Jul/12 with Gerallt

kdalzell - 2nd - 25/Jun/12 with Liam Fleming

willoates - Lead O/S - 11/Jun/12 with Iona

Hidden - Lead rpt - 02/Jun/12

Attempted lead but got too pumped, lowered off and seconded clean. Steep hard crux, but good gear where needed!
Danjones - 2nd rpt - 29/May/12 with dan ely

Hard crux!
Cardi - Lead O/S - 02/May/12 with Matt K

Hidden - 2nd O/S - May/12

Hidden - Lead rpt - 01/Apr/12

Hidden - 2012

Felt like hard 5b
Noodles - Lead O/S - 04/Oct/11 with Andy Mcque

Tom Cox - Lead O/S - 01/Sep/11

sam820 - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/11 with Marianne

guy757 - Lead - 17/Aug/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/Aug/11

Fell off about 3m off the ground (it was drizzling), got back and reached crux then didn't commit to move. I'll have to go back and try again.
Wyn Bach - 2nd dnf - 01/Aug/11 with Ched

Sophie Nunn - 2nd rpt - 24/Jul/11 with Pete S

Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Jul/11

found it scary trusting blindly placed gear when about to do the crux, luckily no need to test it!
CRiddiford - Lead O/S - 11/Jul/11 with Tom, Mike

thomasadixon - 2nd O/S - 11/Jul/11 with Caroline, Mike

Hidden - Lead O/S - 02/Jul/11

Marti999 - Lead O/S - 23/Jun/11 with Mark Glaister

Matthew Robinson - 2nd - 11/Jun/11 with Nick

theotherpetehill - 2nd - 03/Jun/11 with Chris Allan

chrisallan - Lead O/S - 03/Jun/11

benchwarmer - Lead O/S - 02/May/11 with Justina

marcduhig - Lead O/S - 01/May/11 with Andrew

al123 - Lead O/S - 27/Apr/11 with terry

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 26/Apr/11

Ceridwen - 2nd dog - 19/Apr/11 with Uber Mike

Sophie Nunn - Lead O/S - 10/Apr/11 with Floris

crag_monster - Lead - Apr/11 with Dave Brown

felt quite reachy, but tom is tall so maybe its just because i tried to follow hi actions.
Alex Mason - 2nd β - Apr/11 with Tom Martin

Hidden - 2011

Rory Shaw - 2011

uphillnow - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

PAJames - 2011

PAJames - 2011

alasdair19 - 2011

mwatson - 2011

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Sep/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 31/Aug/10

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 30/Aug/10

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 16/Aug/10

DavidR - Lead O/S - 16/Aug/10 with Kevin Bowser

gforce - 2nd - 14/Aug/10 with Kath

david morse - Lead O/S - 03/Jul/10 with andy psyche

Cowflinger - Lead O/S - 27/Jun/10 with Pete Lewis

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 18/Jun/10

pumpy
adamscottthomas - Lead O/S - 18/Jun/10 with Kafoozalem

Chris Wright - Lead - 12/Jun/10

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 05/Jun/10

Dave Reeve - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/10 with Steve Hordley

tigertim - 2nd - 04/Jun/10 with Tony Payne

Ows - Lead - Jun/10

Great climbing, but due to me useing the wrong gear at the wrong time I ended up pretty run out.
HIGHTOWER - Lead O/S - 26/May/10 with Dave Gleave

run out bit in the middle freaked me out a bit. Took a couple of looks at the crux before finally committing.
bigbobbyking - Lead O/S - 15/May/10 with Ian Faulkner

ian d f - 2nd O/S - 15/May/10 with Robert King

Rich Kirby - 2nd O/S - 09/May/10 with Tom Briggs

Tom Briggs - Jagged Globe - Lead O/S - 09/May/10 with Richard Kirby

Sam W - 2nd - 03/May/10 with Richard

Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/May/10

Crux felt hard for 5b.
Si dH - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/10 with Robin Macintosh

Hidden - Lead O/S - Apr/10

Sgt. Vest - Lead O/S - 10/Mar/10 with pete topham

Brilliant Route!
JCB42 - Lead O/S - 07/Mar/10 with andy cooper

mr mills - 2010 with paul simkiss

Hidden - 2010

Speeddemonsi - Lead O/S - 2010

centurion05 - 2010

DuckingFesperate - Lead - 2010

centurion05 - 2010

Hidden - 2010

soph - 2010

Dave Rumney - Lead - 18/Oct/09 with Paul Drew

Hidden - Lead O/S - Oct/09

brian watson - Lead O/S - 27/Sep/09 with scott titt

Carly - Lead O/S - 20/Jul/09 with Richard

Hidden - Lead - Jul/09

chris sm - Lead O/S - 30/Jun/09 with Pippa Froggatt

Em66 - 2nd - 25/May/09 with Mat

Hidden - 2nd - 24/May/09

frost - Lead - 12/May/09 with D Almond

Dave Almond - AltLd - 12/May/09 with Simon Frost

nutallovertheface - Lead O/S - May/09 with Sam Farnsworth

dan gibson - Lead O/S - 16/Apr/09 with chris

Hidden - 05/Apr/09

DavidEvans - Lead O/S - Mar/09 with adam ellwood

Seymore Butt - 2009

Lloyders - Lead O/S - 2009 with Paddy, Dave L

It's says difficult crux in guide book,AND there not kidding!
ritchierich - Lead O/S - 23/Sep/08 with Steve Joynson

Hidden - 2nd - 20/Sep/08

Hidden - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/08

nai - 2nd - 13/Jul/08 with Tim

tlr - Lead - 13/Jul/08 with Pom

Hidden - Lead rpt - 07/Jun/08

the juicy dangler - Lead O/S - 21/May/08 with chris lycett

fairly savage crux. suspected as much prior to setting off given we were at the grochan!
Wilbur - Lead O/S - 18/May/08 with Caine

Abi Chard - Lead O/S - 15/May/08 with Ian

Hidden - 2nd O/S - Apr/08

ian caton - 2nd - 2008 with Abi

barni - Lead O/S - 2008 with Liam fleming

Hidden - 2008

Hidden - AltLd - 2008

Gareth_Thomas - 2nd O/S - 20/Oct/07 with Sgt. Vest

Owain Llewelyn - Lead - 04/Sep/07 with Dad/Phil

JPGR - 2nd O/S - 28/Jul/07 with Paul

Hidden - AltLd - Jul/07

Richard Horn - 2nd O/S - 26/May/07

Hidden - Lead O/S - 06/May/07

Rob Kennard - 2007

zero six - Lead O/S - 2007

Nice route, well protected where it matters.
Siderunner - Lead O/S - 04/Nov/06 with Ian Rickerby

Two 5b sections with a good rest in between - top section was steeper than it looked - a bit gripping
Chris the Tall - Lead O/S - 14/Oct/06 with Simon Shaw

Ian McNeill - 2006

Hidden - 2006

Clucky - Lead O/S - 10/Jul/05 with Drew Withey

Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/May/04

Roget - Lead O/S - 2004

nicholas Barrowclough - Lead - 18/Aug/03

Hidden - Lead - 16/Mar/03

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 03/May/99

Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/May/98

Julian Wedd - 1998

Hidden - Lead - 1998

rob.grafton - AltLd - 12/Apr/97 with Bruce

GuyM - 1996

Pete_Frost - Lead rpt - 14/Jun/94

Hidden - 2nd - 31/Mar/93

Hidden - AltLd - 1993

Andy Say - Lead - 14/Aug/92

Hidden - 2nd - 14/Jul/92

WB - Lead O/S - 1992

ChrisJD - Lead - 19/May/91

Ched - Lead O/S - 1991 with Glanfor

Hidden - 2nd - 19/Jun/90

steve taylor - 2nd - Jun/90 with neil willets

Hidden - Lead - 12/May/90

michael burrows - Lead rpt - 07/May/90 with brian jones

NickJH - 2nd - May/90 with P Carter

Hidden - 1990

David led.
Dave Musgrove - 2nd - 18/Jul/89 with Rupert Wyard, David

Hidden - 2nd - 04/Jun/87

Nick Biven - 2nd - 19/Oct/86

Hidden - AltLd - 1984

nigehughes - Lead - Aug/83 with John Horn

RichardMc - AltLd - 10/Oct/82 with Dave Langmead

Paula Hamilton-Gibson - Lead - Jul/81

Hidden - AltLd - 24/Mar/81

Hidden - 1980

RichardMc - AltLd - 27/Aug/77 with Dave Langmead

Mike Owen - 07/Jul/77 with Chris ?

Mark Kemball - Lead - 17/Apr/76 with Steve Marriott

Derek Ryden - AltLd O/S - Apr/76 with Martin Smith

Ian Jones - Lead O/S - 1976 with Mike Newton

mikej - Lead - 10/Sep/75 with Mike Byles

Bolt Phobia - Lead - 21/Jun/75

petemeads - Lead - 1974

granitbahn - AltLd - 1974

granitbahn - AltLd - 1974

Hidden - Lead - 26/Sep/71

Gordon Stainforth - 2nd - 09/Aug/70 with Tim James

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