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[Lorenza leading Incompetence World's End, 3 kb]12m. An excellent pitch of its type. The wide crack/chimney is sustained and protectable with slings and wires. Finish up the pinnacle on the right. © ROCKFAX
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Photo: Lorenza leading Incompetence World's End © Lorenza-Lee Lockyer
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This climb is in 185 logbooks, and on 4 wishlists.

A cracking route, really enjoyed it!
SAF - Lead - 18/Apr/14 with Phil

LiamGallagher - 2nd O/S - 13/Apr/14 with Chris

Hidden - Lead - 06/Oct/13

Tomt1er - Lead O/S - 29/Sep/13

pwb1981 - Lead O/S - 25/Aug/13

Hidden - Lead O/S - 18/Aug/13

Hidden - 2nd - 14/Aug/13

Mick Cassidy - 2nd - 14/Aug/13 with Dom, Jimbo

Hidden - Lead - 06/Aug/13

Hidden - Lead O/S - 20/Jul/13

mitch - 2nd O/S - 14/Jul/13 with Dave Hollins

Hidden - Lead O/S - 06/Jul/13

kristinawe - Lead - 01/Jun/13

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 01/Jun/13

Ndawson - Lead O/S - 01/Jun/13 with Alex Hebden

cas54321 - 2nd - 26/May/13 with Chris

JamesLloyd - Lead O/S - 04/Mar/13

mcondon - Lead - Mar/13

RikPotts - Lead - 20/Oct/12

Smithy Smith - Lead O/S - 19/Oct/12 with Kathleen

paul horabin - Lead O/S - 06/Oct/12

Fun.
Pete_Frost - Solo O/S - 29/Sep/12

Wolfy1987 NEWMC - Lead - 01/Sep/12

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 23/Aug/12

Lead clean on sight. Slightly run out until the last few metres yield good gear, but never scary. Great views from the top belay lovely!
Landy_Dom - Lead O/S - 14/Aug/12 with Ciaran Gallagher

Gerallt Owain - 2nd O/S - 10/Aug/12 with Cellan Lewis

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 26/Jul/12

JasonV - Lead O/S - 26/Jul/12 with Jon

steven_daniels99 - 2nd β - 22/Jul/12

Ben0591 - Solo - 03/Jul/12

Otis - TR - Jul/12

Radical-G - Lead O/S - 09/Jun/12

mdg skidmore - Lead O/S - 26/May/12 with joe penfold

RikPotts - 2nd - 24/May/12

Hidden - 2nd - 23/May/12

steven_daniels99 - Lead O/S - 13/May/12

belaleaderdave - Lead - 29/Mar/12

Hidden - Lead dnf - 27/Mar/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Mar/12

CashaJones - Lead β - 09/Mar/12

A classic quirky climb!
Luke Owens - Lead O/S - 26/Feb/12 with Danielle Louise Hilton

ScottHW - 2nd rpt - Feb/12

Wolfy1987 NEWMC - Lead O/S - 26/Nov/11

Matthew walton - Lead - 24/Nov/11

cameron_hall - 2nd β - 19/Nov/11 with Jess Campbell

Neil D - 2nd rpt - 19/Nov/11 with Beth Hodgett

V polished but nice old school climb. Took the slightly harder direct finish up the wall behind
jandyd05 - Lead O/S - 22/Oct/11 with Julie Anglesea

Hidden - 2nd - 22/Oct/11

Lorenza-Lee Lockyer - Lead - 15/Oct/11 with Sam Howarth, Katie Simmons

-restless- - Lead O/S - 27/Sep/11 with Bryn Parry

victim of mathematics - Lead O/S - 11/Sep/11 with Cornish Merlin

pimmie - Lead - 10/Sep/11

Another great route
Adam Hughes - Lead - 08/Sep/11

mitch - 2nd O/S - 03/Sep/11 with Pimmie

xusa - 2nd O/S - 29/Aug/11 with Gareth Borthwick

Ed Booth - Lead O/S - 19/Aug/11

Tom Seccombe - Lead O/S - Aug/11 with duncan

Rich35 - Lead - Aug/11

Cooper - 2nd O/S - Aug/11

Draper - Lead O/S - 31/Jul/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Jul/11

mheyes101 - 2nd - 23/Jul/11 with tedalaki

Laurence Everitt - Solo O/S - 21/Jul/11 with Ruth Buckberry

TCarrick - 2nd - 09/Jul/11 with Phill Thomas

Hidden - 2nd - 03/Jul/11

Hidden - TR rpt - Jul/11

part.tom - 2nd O/S - 04/Jun/11 with armouredego

armouredego - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/11 with Tom Parsons

This reminded me why i hate limestone - polish!
lizzyb - Solo O/S - 23/May/11

Hidden - Lead - 02/May/11

Solo'd & then brought Kelly up.
Klingon - Solo O/S - 19/Apr/11 with Kelly J

Hidden - Lead O/S - 11/Mar/11

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 11/Mar/11

Spillers - Lead O/S - 06/Mar/11 with Browell

Wolfy1987 NEWMC - AltLd O/S - 02/Mar/11

spooksthehorse - TR - 01/Mar/11 with Trev

Blurgy319 - 2nd - 01/Mar/11 with Chris Woolfenden, Tom Furey

Neil D - Lead rpt - 07/Nov/10 with Beth Hodgett

Betha. - 2nd O/S - 07/Nov/10

surfingreef - 06/Oct/10

spooksthehorse - Solo - 22/Sep/10

berni87 - Lead O/S - 30/Aug/10

Hidden - Lead - 19/Aug/10

Hidden - 2nd - 09/Aug/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Jul/10

Another awkward climb on good holds up obvious crack in middle of Inelegence area. Would like to lead it, but need to get good footing to place gear.
Gtok - 2nd β - 29/Jun/10 with Lawson David

kitkat78 - Lead O/S - 13/Jun/10 with SteveM

SteveM - 2nd - 13/Jun/10 with Kat

Hidden - Lead - 24/May/10

cas54321 - Lead dog - 09/May/10 with Mike

Hidden - Lead - 08/May/10

Hidden - 2nd - 08/May/10

mikelaing - Lead - May/10 with cas54321

Lawrence Bird - Lead O/S - 05/Mar/10 with Neil M

Hidden - 2nd - 31/Oct/09

Hidden - Lead - 31/Oct/09

simozzer - Lead O/S - 25/Oct/09 with Cass

Jillybean - 2nd - 18/Oct/09 with Sarah

climbing_wiggy - Lead O/S - 18/Oct/09 with Whitey

adam06 - Solo - 16/Oct/09

strange shaped cracks
theking696 - Lead - 13/Oct/09

ndraper1 - Lead - Oct/09

gary.barr - Lead O/S - 20/Sep/09 with Ally Singleton

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 05/Sep/09

Neil D - Solo O/S - 05/Sep/09 with Boriz Korzh

BorisVBlade - Solo O/S - 05/Sep/09 with Neil Dowse

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 19/Aug/09

Hidden - Lead rpt - 19/Aug/09

Leigh Phillips - Lead O/S - 19/Aug/09 with Colin Martin

Leigh Phillips - 2nd rpt - 19/Aug/09 with Colin Martin

Hidden - Lead O/S - 16/Aug/09

Hidden - 2nd - 25/Jul/09

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/09

james.vandewaal - Lead O/S - 01/Jul/09

themanfromdelmonte - Lead O/S - Jul/09 with martin williams

CharlotteJelleyman - Lead O/S - 23/May/09 with Pete Hooker

stevemcg - Lead - 07/May/09 with Rod

Hidden - Lead O/S - 13/Apr/09

cooper leek - 2nd O/S - 13/Apr/09 with dave nw

sleavesley - Lead O/S - 15/Mar/09 with Tom Shooter

Climbed through with Rucksac full of gear. Got quite pumped and tired by it. Dark coming in so no chance of lead
seb m-c - 2nd - 10/Jan/09 with Martin Callaghan

Hidden - Lead - 2009

stordys - 2009

Sally Lisle - 2009

Kirill - Lead O/S - 27/Sep/08 with Dina, Ilia

Saving Belle's rope!!!
frankiesmythe - Solo - 26/Sep/08 with Belle Crawford

Ashapalan - 2nd - 10/Aug/08 with ad

Paul Bailey - Lead O/S - 27/Jul/08

Hidden - Lead rpt - 08/Jun/08

Hidden - 2nd - 29/May/08

the two easier climbs here look like gear fests but the cracks are too wide. tricky.
robkbangor - Lead O/S - 18/May/08 with Phil Cockerton

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/May/08

Hidden - Lead - 26/Apr/08

Excellent climb.
bobpilgrem - Lead - 23/Apr/08 with Bob/Tom

Lead by Nic
bobpilgrem - 2nd - 22/Apr/08 with Bob/Nic

daveagriff - Lead - 2008

willson - Lead - 2008 with rosie

DaveWarren - Lead O/S - 26/Dec/07 with Jack Stanger

Strangler - Lead rpt - 26/Dec/07 with Dave Warren

Hidden - 2nd - 04/Nov/07

Hidden - Lead - 04/Nov/07

EAYL - 2nd - 05/Sep/07 with matt owen

MattOwen - Lead - 04/Sep/07 with Ed Young

phil stubbs - Lead - 04/Sep/07

Hidden - Lead rpt - 07/Jul/07

glasto_mudd - 2nd - 07/Jul/07 with Matt Cooke

peter myers - 2nd - Jul/07

warringtonade - Lead O/S - 18/Jun/07 with craig

An excellent example of that rarest of beasts - a solid, safe, low-grade limestone route. Udging not required but fun to do anyway!
climbingpixie - Solo - 17/Jun/07

Hidden - Solo O/S - 17/Jun/07

Hidden - 2nd - 01/May/07

Hidden - Lead O/S - May/07

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 21/Apr/07

skeight88 - Lead - Apr/07

tobydunford - Lead O/S - 31/Mar/07 with Lisa Paling

lisapaling - 2nd β - 31/Mar/07 with Toby Dunford

fran04 - Lead - 2007

robo84 - Lead - 2007

EAYL - Solo - 18/Oct/06

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 15/Oct/06

John-Luke Casey - 2nd O/S - 02/Aug/06 with Graham Harris

Rampikino - Lead - 23/Jun/06 with Cat

Swirly - Lead O/S - 11/Jun/06 with katherine

Joss - Lead O/S - 25/Apr/06 with Wayne Hughes

Loved this climb! Great and noticably harder than V.D.
hallex - Lead O/S - 19/Mar/06 with Gemma Fisher

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 2006

wirralclimber1984 - 2nd - 2006 with danny, james

wirralclimber1984 - Lead O/S - 2006 with danny, james

Hidden - Lead - 2006

rob wmc - 2nd O/S - 04/Sep/05 with Pete

D Berry - Lead rpt - 04/Sep/04 with Claire Berry

The Oracle - 2nd O/S - 10/Jun/04 with Ronnie Jones

Hidden - 2002

D Berry - Lead rpt - 30/Sep/00 with Claire Berry

D Berry - 2nd rpt - 24/Jun/00 with Claire Berry

D Berry - Lead O/S - 19/Feb/00 with Claire Berry

Big Rik - 1995

ellie macpherson - 2nd - 10/Jul/94 with Helen Dingsdale, Simon Hargreaves, Neil Macpherson

whispering nic - Lead O/S - Jul/93 with torquil

Hidden - Lead - 29/Mar/88

RichardMc - Solo - 25/Oct/87

Hidden - Lead - 1986

Nigel Bond - Lead - 16/Jun/84 with Bob

Nigel Bond - Lead - 30/Jan/83 with Nick

Hidden - Solo - 1980

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Voting
Total votes cast 32
hard S0 of 16
S0 of 16
easy S1 of 16
hard HVD1 of 16
HVD10 of 16
easy HVD2 of 16
hard VD2 of 16
VD0 of 16
easy VD0 of 16
3 Stars1 of 16
2 Stars6 of 16
1 Star5 of 16
0 Stars4 of 16
Bag of .....0 of 16
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Style of ascent

Soloed15 of 185 (8.1%)
Lead105 of 185 (56.8%)
Followed56 of 185 (30.3%)
Toproped3 of 185 (1.6%)
Alt Leads1 of 185 (0.5%)
Unknown5 of 185 (2.7%)

'Climbed'81 of 185 (43.8%)
clean O/S84 of 185 (45.4%)
clean β5 of 185 (2.7%)
clean rpt13 of 185 (7.0%)
dogged1 of 185 (0.5%)
dnf1 of 185 (0.5%)