Gwynedd* VS 4b
[Gwynedd VS4b, 3 kb]

Rockfax Description
Technical moves lead up to and through the sentry box. Follow the tricky rightward-slanting crack to finish. © ROCKFAX

UKC Logbook Description
A rather artificial and wandering line between mistook and rammers route.

Ticklists: ULMC Classics.

Photo: Gwynedd VS4b © E. Best
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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 297 logbooks, and on 4 wishlists.

Giles Eperon - Lead O/S - 27/Jun/15

mnorm - TR - 08/Jun/15

Not a route to break into the grade...
joe gallacher - Lead O/S - 07/Jun/15 with Allan Green

fuzzysheep01 - Lead O/S - 06/Jun/15 with Adam Butler

slab_happy - 2nd - 06/Jun/15 with Val

Hidden - 2nd - 06/Jun/15

Hidden - Lead O/S - 24/May/15

farmerwad - Lead - 24/May/15 with Janet

Felt almost as hard as Rammer's Route
Dave192939 - Lead O/S - 24/May/15 with Simon Allan

Wiley - 27/Apr/15

magsb - 2nd O/S - 19/Apr/15 with Mike Doyle

Simonpeel - 2nd - 19/Apr/15

Alex_Derbyshire - Lead O/S - 08/Apr/15 with Mark Heighton

Down climbed from the sentry box. not much protection.
emlynroberts - Lead dnf - 04/Apr/15 with Matadoors

PatrickEnglish - TR O/S - 24/Mar/15

Hidden - Lead - 15/Mar/15

Hidden - TR dog - 16/Feb/15

Lovely! (lots of protection all the way up) was a little wet though I must admit.
HazelMacLean - Lead O/S - 14/Feb/15 with Owen Diba, UBMC

Hidden - TR - 25/Oct/14

Touching Stone course
tomlevett - TR O/S - 23/Sep/14

benny_m - 2nd O/S - 20/Sep/14 with Su

ItsHuwHaribo - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/14 with Mel Roberts

Hidden - 2nd - 13/Sep/14

wixy - Lead O/S - 03/Sep/14

Hidden - TR - 18/Aug/14

andrea83 - Lead O/S - 17/Aug/14 with Hamish

Hamish777 - 2nd O/S - 17/Aug/14 with Andrea

Harder work than I expected, lovely climb though. Definitely worth a star or two
Pintsize - 2nd O/S - 27/Jul/14 with Will Benfold

will_benfold - Lead O/S - 27/Jul/14 with Sarah Woodrow

Second VS! Really interesting route. Tricky crack towards the top.
Denry - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/14 with Hannah Beardmore

HB-Pencil - 2nd - 25/Jul/14

Thoroughly enjoyed, awesome views from the top
CallumSnell - TR O/S - 21/Jul/14

second ascent, footwork coaching.
CallumSnell - TR O/S - 21/Jul/14

Daniel Poulain - TR - 21/Jul/14

Took 5ft fall at top of right slanting crack. No.9 rock on wire left embedded ..... It's a bomber and won't budge without a hammer! Stepped out right before regaining original line to finish.
Mickontop - Lead - 28/Jun/14

Nice climb
tommy - Lead - 24/Jun/14 with john davies

lotoad - TR - 01/Jun/14

Montecore - 2nd - 25/May/14 with Ben Larby

BenLarby - Lead - 25/May/14 with Montecore

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 24/May/14

cfisher4 - Lead - 04/May/14 with Chris

Hidden - 2nd - 20/Apr/14

Chazwoz - Lead O/S - 20/Apr/14 with Dave O'Brian

Hidden - Lead O/S - 16/Apr/14

sibluer - 2nd - 02/Apr/14

mrginna - Lead O/S - 27/Feb/14 with Nick

Double Knee Bar - Lead O/S - 16/Feb/14

andrea83 - 2014

TRFrost - Solo O/S - 10/Nov/13

jt232 - Lead O/S - 10/Nov/13

Jack93 - Lead O/S - 10/Nov/13 with Bethan Knott, Charlie Low

charlielow - 2nd - 10/Nov/13 with Bethan Knott, Jack Knight

Hidden - TR - 12/Oct/13

Ash_Johnson - Lead O/S - 26/Sep/13

Hidden - TR O/S - 26/Sep/13

Hidden - TR O/S - 24/Sep/13

Hidden - TR O/S - 23/Sep/13

Joe.Howlett - TR O/S - 23/Sep/13

RCF AT Week in Snowdonia Sept 13
DanCClayton - TR - 23/Sep/13

Hidden - TR O/S - 04/Sep/13

purplemushroom - 2nd - 25/Aug/13 with Ben Wetherill

JamesLloyd - Lead O/S - 13/Aug/13

Hidden - 2nd - 13/Aug/13

climb the peak - 2nd O/S - 12/Aug/13 with tommy moore

stephen ashworth - Lead - 11/Aug/13 with caroline blackmore

Missed loads of gear so only got a micro above the sentry box until the break high up.
Tradical - Lead O/S - 09/Aug/13 with Alex Law

Wet at the crux, slippery jams but made it all stick somehow
Andysomething - 2nd O/S - 05/Aug/13 with Bruce Perry and Norman Bennett

Will Falder - Lead O/S - Jul/13

bendevonport - TR O/S - 10/Jun/13 with justin boynton

justinboynton - TR O/S - 10/Jun/13 with Ben Devenport

Hidden - Lead - 09/Jun/13

Good route, slipped at the start but my own fault, otherwise good climb.
Foxy1984 - TR - 05/Jun/13

Hidden - TR O/S - 05/Jun/13

Weird climb, think we went off route a little!
francesanncavanagh - 2nd - 30/May/13 with Dan Whitlum

Rained off. Abseiled down to retrieve gear.
cdpuk - 2nd dnf - 28/May/13 with Andrew Evans

Had to finish in the wet, otherwise an interesting technical route for one of my first vs leads
andyevans - Lead O/S - 28/May/13 with cdpuk

TheNorthDwarf - 2nd O/S - 13/May/13

Hidden - TR - 07/May/13

Hidden - TR - 07/May/13

Hidden - TR - 07/May/13

gingerwolf - 2nd O/S - 05/May/13

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/May/13

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 03/May/13

Led onsight in superb weather, seconded by Kyle as his second ever VS. Nice climbing but did it with one rope and placed some gear too far right so had to use long extenders. Upper crack was great fun. Quite tough for 4b.
chrisrogers - Lead O/S - 27/Apr/13

08nbrierley - Lead O/S - 03/Apr/13

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 03/Apr/13

Hidden - Lead O/S - 30/Mar/13

morgan91 - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/13

andrewlyons14 - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/13

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Mar/13

g1m147 - Lead - 03/Mar/13 with Gary (LCCC)

RossCallender - TR - Mar/13

welchy29 - Mar/13

Hidden - 2013

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2013

Testing out new approach shoes.
Daniel Heath - Lead O/S - 18/Dec/12

bigbobbyking - 2nd O/S - 10/Nov/12 with Ian Faulkner

ian d f - Lead O/S - 10/Nov/12 with Robert King

v bold after the traverse for grade, enjoyable
Stopsy - Lead O/S - 21/Oct/12 with Thea

HAJ Francis - Lead O/S - 21/Oct/12 with katie

dale 42 - Lead O/S - 21/Oct/12

TheaSmea - 2nd O/S - 21/Oct/12 with James

weeclare86 - 2nd - 21/Oct/12

Merlin Fincken - 2nd rpt - 21/Oct/12 with Henry

Lewis' lead. Nice route that gets harder towards the top.
TJ Mather - 2nd O/S - 20/Oct/12

lareeth - TR O/S - 20/Oct/12

lewismansell - Lead O/S - 20/Oct/12

Mike Hood - Lead - 29/Sep/12 with Alex

PYB rapid development rock climbing course.
simon geering - TR - 11/Sep/12 with Rob

LouMullen - 2nd - 11/Aug/12 with Mark Gylby

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/Aug/12

easy start but difficult to get the hand holds with a wet rock, less hand and foot holds towards the top
spags88 - TR O/S - 13/Jul/12 with gary mitchell

Hidden - TR O/S - 13/Jul/12

Hidden - TR - 25/Jun/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/12

cherad - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/12 with Michelle Henshall

steven_daniels99 - 2nd O/S - 02/Jun/12

tommy - Lead - 27/May/12

dansmonkeytroubles - Lead rpt - 20/May/12 with Dot Greaves

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 19/May/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/May/12

mountainpunk - 2nd - 12/May/12 with Rich

Hidden - Lead O/S - 06/May/12

Hedley - 2nd O/S - 06/May/12 with Mark Hale

lithos - Lead - 05/May/12 with Mike Williamson

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 05/May/12

Missed a few obvious holds, nice lead. Learnt a bit about Half-rope rigging and ab posts.
Beronj - Lead - 05/May/12 with Zara

Ows - Lead - May/12

Hidden - TR - 30/Apr/12

Bottom rope
bignige - TR O/S - 30/Apr/12

paradigm_tee - Lead - 28/Apr/12 with calum_alien

Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/Apr/12

Hidden - 2nd - 05/Apr/12

arandall - 2nd O/S - 05/Apr/12 with Wendy Matthews

Wendy Watthews - Lead O/S - 05/Apr/12 with arandall

DanC1985 - Lead O/S - 01/Apr/12 with Simon G

BenRyle - 2nd O/S - 08/Mar/12

Just for the record, the fall was slipping off the sodden turf as I walked to put protection into the belay stance at the top. The climb itself was clean - not least of all because it was running with water!
Sarah Welsh - Lead O/S - 18/Feb/12 with Emma Grant, Steve Price

Hidden - 2nd - 18/Feb/12

jakethepeg - TR - 23/Jan/12

Hidden - Lead - 16/Jan/12

Blurgy319 - Lead O/S - 15/Jan/12

Jim Malo - Lead O/S - 13/Nov/11 with Putt

fatbuoybazza - Lead O/S - 13/Nov/11 with liv_the_div

Jonny M - Lead O/S - 13/Nov/11 with Karen Chalmers

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 13/Nov/11

chrisallan - Lead O/S - 05/Nov/11

Hidden - 2nd - 05/Nov/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Nov/11

Emma Reynolds - TR - 25/Oct/11 with Tom Young

Hidden - Lead O/S - 16/Oct/11

Panicked on the upper section and got top rope lowered down (thanks SimonC) then continued clean. Should have been easy but just bottled it when good footwork was required for the slanting crack.
simoncov - Lead - 16/Oct/11 with LJ

Darron - 02/Oct/11

In boots.
Ash_Johnson - Lead O/S - Sep/11

Hidden - TR - 23/Aug/11

DigitalSteak - 2nd O/S - 13/Aug/11

Wet weather. Followed the CC guide route - very nice.
Ramblin dave - TR - 01/Aug/11 with Al, Simon W

very little gear in bottom half, hard for 4b. practically soloed it, only had 2 good pieces of pro
Webster - Lead O/S - 31/Jul/11

yorkyrmcdo - Lead - 27/Jun/11 with woody

Luis SD - Lead O/S - 25/Jun/11

tommy - 2nd - 24/Jun/11

davesb - 2nd O/S - 19/Jun/11 with Tom Wilson

My lead, well worth doing.
taw - Lead O/S - 19/Jun/11 with Dave sb

Great climbing fun day out.
stephenarnold - Lead O/S - 05/Jun/11

najames - Lead O/S - 05/Jun/11

Ian JL - Lead O/S - 02/May/11 with Beth Frampton

Hidden - 2nd - 02/May/11

Michael Allday - Lead O/S - May/11 with rodney greenfield

Hidden - Lead - 23/Apr/11

AndyFunnell - 2nd - 23/Apr/11 with Skinny

steven - 2nd O/S - 23/Apr/11 with Ade

Hidden - Lead - 23/Apr/11

Savlon - 2nd - 15/Apr/11 with phil Yoemans

Hidden - Lead rpt - 06/Apr/11

Hidden - 2nd - 06/Apr/11

SteWatkins - Apr/11

TomMorgan - Lead O/S - 19/Mar/11

Tom Downes - 2nd - 06/Mar/11 with nick evens

csd23 - Lead O/S - 06/Mar/11

nickevens - Lead O/S - 06/Mar/11 with Tom downes

Will Fuller - TR O/S - 05/Mar/11

mrstarwarsman - Lead O/S - 05/Mar/11 with john tanner

Quite tricky at the top. George practiced placing gear.
heathergotrumbled - 2nd O/S - 26/Feb/11 with AN

George Nichols - TR O/S - 26/Feb/11 with Alex Wolfgang, Heather Rumble

Hidden - 2nd - 12/Feb/11

Quite wet at the top diagonal crack, but still good layback moves. Top climb!
Matt Smith - TR O/S - 12/Feb/11 with Andy Schlereth

Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Feb/11

Hidden - Lead - 08/Feb/11

monkeyboyraw - 2nd - 08/Feb/11 with Craig Letham

dansmonkeytroubles - Lead O/S - 22/Jan/11 with Alan Vincent

Hidden - 2nd - 22/Jan/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2011

Rory Shaw - 2011

Rob Evans - Lead O/S - 2011

PAJames - 2011

Alex.M-M. - Solo O/S - 21/Nov/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Nov/10

Very scary! Had to really trust my feet.
spalice - Lead O/S - 10/Nov/10 with Jack Pyle, Gwen

Rob Hirst - Lead O/S - 28/Oct/10 with Michelle Hordern

climbingchica - 2nd - 28/Oct/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Oct/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - Oct/10

Hidden - TR O/S - 24/Sep/10

Steve J T - Lead β - 04/Sep/10

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 03/Sep/10

Abevan - Lead O/S - 29/Aug/10 with Andrew Gill

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/Aug/10

Hidden - TR O/S - 10/Aug/10

Hidden - 08/Aug/10

Had to finish this route in the pouring rain.
ritchierich - 2nd rpt - 05/Aug/10 with Vinny

sten - Lead O/S - 02/Aug/10 with Amy Gustin

Dave Bowler - Lead O/S - Aug/10

Initially following new Rockfax Welsh Classics guide, and as such the second half of the route climbed the 'rightwards slanting crack' which is most definitely at least 4c climbing. Upon looking in the CC Tremadog guide it becomes obvious that the crack is actually the second half of the route 'Mistook VS 4c' (note - in the Rockfax guide Mistook finishes up the Severe route and not this crack, and there is no way it could possibly warrant 4c or even VS as a grade).
groovy_nut - Lead O/S - 28/Jul/10 with Sion

Followed the Rockfax line, through the letterbox and then the rightwards crack. 4c climbing. Top was sopping wet so traversed onto Rammers Route.
freemanTom - Lead - 25/Jul/10 with Richard Henton

rockman - Lead O/S - 11/Jul/10 with Tim Edwards

timcedwards - 2nd - 11/Jul/10 with Geoff Mee

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 06/Jul/10

mikespooner - Lead - 06/Jul/10 with Tom Downes, Sian Gardiner

Tom Downes - Lead O/S - 06/Jul/10 with James Ryan

Hidden - TR O/S - 08/Jun/10

Magsy - Lead - 04/May/10

Donald Kelly - 2nd O/S - 03/May/10 with Clive Benneth

Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/May/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - May/10

rovers777 - Lead RP - 28/Apr/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/10

Booey - 2nd O/S - 17/Apr/10

MikeT - Lead rpt - Apr/10 with Gray R

titchbach - Lead - Apr/10

sparse protection low down, tricky finish.
gcandlin - Lead O/S - 28/Mar/10 with Charles Rolfe

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 19/Mar/10

edpd1b - Mar/10 with Will kilgore

simeclimb68 - 2010

MGrock - 2010

Bramley Apple - Lead O/S - 2010 with Steve, Pippa Cowley

thecurlyone - TR O/S - 17/Oct/09

Andy_B39 - Lead O/S - 10/Oct/09 with James Davidson

Neil_Tristram - TR - 21/Sep/09

Hidden - Solo - Sep/09

Hidden - TR O/S - 29/Aug/09

Dizz - TR - 29/Jun/09

Hidden - Lead O/S - 08/Jun/09

smallerrich - Solo O/S - 24/May/09 with Me

cavemancolumbus - Lead - Apr/09 with Jo

sparce
Od - Lead O/S - 24/Feb/09 with Ben "Wurzel" Cook

Noodles - Lead - 24/Feb/09 with Oliver Ruffle (O.d)

Hidden - Lead - 24/Feb/09

nadeem - Lead O/S - 09/Feb/09 with Aaron Crawley

took harder route to the left to finish
adam.butler.dsfc - Lead O/S - 15/Dec/08

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/Oct/08

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 26/Oct/08

snakebite - Lead O/S - 16/Oct/08

Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/Oct/08

Hidden - TR O/S - 16/Sep/08

Hidden - Lead O/S - Sep/08

Hidden - 2nd - 12/Aug/08

Hidden - TR O/S - 04/Aug/08

Kate Edhouse - TR O/S - 04/Aug/08 with Luke (brenin)

tontopink - Lead O/S - 30/Jul/08

Tricky for first ever VS in wet. Had to dig deep.
wadh1720 - TR β - 29/Jul/08 with Will B, Dan C

Showery conditions, slimy underfoot.
da_cox - TR O/S - 29/Jul/08 with Will Beharrell

SGD - Lead O/S - Jul/08 with Jenny Upright

AntWallace - Lead O/S - May/08 with Chris and Andy

First rock-climb outside! Quite difficult.
mountainbagger - TR - 19/Apr/08 with Mrs Mountainbagger, Rachael

vaughansc - 2008

Hidden - 2008

Hidden - 2008

King Smudger - 2nd O/S - 22/Sep/07 with James Dexter

Batty - 2nd O/S - 22/Sep/07

John Brayshaw - Lead O/S - 01/Sep/07 with Chris

chris skipton - 2nd - 01/Sep/07 with John Brayshaw

dave4430 - TR O/S - 05/Apr/07

tumbling wizard - Lead - Mar/07

climber sim - 2007

On SPA course
Mike Turner - TR - 18/Jun/06

sgl0jd - Lead - Jun/06 with Dave Davies

Jacob Ram - Lead O/S - 14/May/06 with elisa best

daviesp2 - TR - 08/Apr/06

01wills - 2nd O/S - Apr/06 with luke williams

Dale - Lead O/S - Apr/06

winter_burn - Lead O/S - 14/Feb/06

maybe_si - Lead O/S - Nov/05

NewLeaf - 2nd - Jun/05

2RoyalAnglian - TR - Apr/05 with plas y brenin r/c course

Hidden - 2005

Dan 85 - Lead O/S - 12/Dec/04 with Tim and Jon

rob wmc - 2nd O/S - 02/Oct/04 with Pete

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/May/04

Andy Say - Lead - 30/Aug/03

akhughes - Lead rpt - Apr/03

tommy82 - Lead - 13/Mar/03

Hidden - Lead - 2003

dicky79 - Lead O/S - 2002 with Mike Bottomley

Jacob Ram - Lead - 02/Jun/01 with elisa best

Jacob Ram - 2nd - 23/Sep/00 with david harris

uphillnow - 1967

Users with this climb on their wishlist are:
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Voting
Total votes cast 100
hard HVS0 of 40
HVS0 of 40
easy HVS0 of 40
hard VS12 of 40
VS27 of 40
easy VS1 of 40
hard HS0 of 40
HS0 of 40
easy HS0 of 40
hard 4c1 of 32
4c2 of 32
easy 4c3 of 32
hard 4b15 of 32
4b11 of 32
easy 4b0 of 32
hard 4a0 of 32
4a0 of 32
easy 4a0 of 32
3 Stars0 of 28
2 Stars9 of 28
1 Star15 of 28
0 Stars4 of 28
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