Rockfax Description
Technical moves lead up to and through the sentry box. Follow the tricky rightward-slanting crack to finish. © Rockfax

UKC Logbook Description
A rather artificial and wandering line between mistook and rammers route.

Ticklists: ULMC Classics.

rushy11111918 16/Oct TR
Jamo Walker 03/Oct Lead O/S
with Simon Raulf
bantamdave 12/Sep Lead O/S
with Rob Hunt, Gary
gazj1986 30/Aug Lead
AnneMarie 15/Aug 2nd
with John Duignan
Kris2fa 09/Aug Lead O/S
Patrick Clissold 03/Aug Lead O/S
with Eleri Clissold
Hidden 28/Jul TR
Hidden 26/Jul Lead
AdamSale 21/Jul TR

66 sqn AT set up

hotfeet 19/Jul 2nd
martin c 04/Jul Lead O/S

Harder than Mistook

with Dave Thomas
David(20) 04/Jul 2nd
Hidden 29/Jun 2nd
Giles Eperon 27/Jun Lead O/S
Charlie Eperon 27/Jun 2nd
mnorm 08/Jun TR
BoggyRoberts 08/Jun TR
joe gallacher 07/Jun Lead O/S

Not a route to break into the grade...

with Allan Green
fuzzysheep01 06/Jun Lead O/S
slab_happy 06/Jun 2nd
with Val
Hidden 06/Jun 2nd
Hidden 24/May Lead O/S
farmerwad 24/May Lead
with Janet
Dave192939 24/May Lead O/S

Felt almost as hard as Rammer's Route

with Simon Allan
rushy11111918 09/May Lead
with Ceire Booth
Mario Grabinski 02/May Lead
with Alicja Petka
Wiley 27/Apr TR
magsb 19/Apr 2nd O/S
Simonpeel 19/Apr 2nd
Alex_Derbyshire 08/Apr Lead O/S
emlynroberts 04/Apr Lead dnf

Down climbed from the sentry box. not much protection.

PatrickEnglish 24/Mar TR O/S
Hidden 15/Mar Lead
Hidden 16/Feb TR dog
HazelMacLean 14/Feb Lead O/S

Lovely! (lots of protection all the way up) was a little wet though I must admit.

with Owen Diba, UBMC
suds_01 ??/2015 -
Hidden 25/Oct/14 TR
tomlevett 23/Sep/14 TR O/S

Touching Stone course

benny_m 20/Sep/14 2nd O/S
with Su
ItsHuwHaribo 13/Sep/14 Lead O/S
Hidden 13/Sep/14 2nd
wixy 03/Sep/14 Lead O/S
Hidden 18/Aug/14 TR
andrea83 17/Aug/14 Lead O/S
with Hamish
Hamish777 17/Aug/14 2nd O/S
with Andrea
Pintsize 27/Jul/14 2nd O/S

Harder work than I expected, lovely climb though. Definitely worth a star or two

will_benfold 27/Jul/14 Lead O/S
Denry 25/Jul/14 Lead O/S

Second VS! Really interesting route. Tricky crack towards the top.

with Hannah Beardmore
HB-Pencil 25/Jul/14 2nd
CallumSnell 21/Jul/14 TR O/S

Thoroughly enjoyed, awesome views from the top

CallumSnell 21/Jul/14 TR O/S

second ascent, footwork coaching.

Daniel Poulain 21/Jul/14 TR
Mickontop 28/Jun/14 Lead

Took 5ft fall at top of right slanting crack. No.9 rock on wire left embedded ..... It's a bomber and won't budge without a hammer! Stepped out right before regaining original line to finish.

tommy 24/Jun/14 Lead

Nice climb

with john davies
lotoad 01/Jun/14 TR
Montecore 25/May/14 2nd
BenLarby 25/May/14 Lead
Hidden 24/May/14 2nd O/S
cfisher4 04/May/14 Lead
with Chris
Hidden 20/Apr/14 2nd
Chazwoz 20/Apr/14 Lead O/S
Hidden 16/Apr/14 Lead O/S
sibluer 02/Apr/14 2nd
mrginna 27/Feb/14 Lead O/S
with Nick
Double Knee Bar 16/Feb/14 Lead O/S
andrea83 ??/2014 -
TRFrost 10/Nov/13 Solo O/S
jt232 10/Nov/13 Lead O/S
Jack93 10/Nov/13 Lead O/S
with Bethan Knott, Charlie Low
charlielow 10/Nov/13 2nd
with Bethan Knott, Jack Knight
Hidden 12/Oct/13 TR
Ash_Johnson 26/Sep/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/Sep/13 TR O/S
Hidden 24/Sep/13 TR O/S
Hidden 23/Sep/13 TR O/S
Joe.Howlett 23/Sep/13 TR O/S
DanCClayton 23/Sep/13 TR

RCF AT Week in Snowdonia Sept 13

Tina Wilkinson 04/Sep/13 TR O/S

Our group was joined by Mark Reeves

with David Barber
purplemushroom 25/Aug/13 2nd
JamesLloyd 13/Aug/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 13/Aug/13 2nd
climb the peak 12/Aug/13 2nd O/S
stephen ashworth 11/Aug/13 Lead
with caroline blackmore
Tommy Moore 09/Aug/13 Lead O/S

Missed loads of gear so only got a micro above the sentry box until the break high up.

Andysomething 05/Aug/13 2nd O/S

Wet at the crux, slippery jams but made it all stick somehow

with Bruce Perry and Norman Bennett
Will Falder ?/Jul/13 Lead O/S
bendevonport 10/Jun/13 TR O/S
justinboynton 10/Jun/13 TR O/S
Hidden 09/Jun/13 Lead
Foxy1984 05/Jun/13 TR

Good route, slipped at the start but my own fault, otherwise good climb.

Hidden 05/Jun/13 TR O/S
francesanncavanagh 30/May/13 2nd

Weird climb, think we went off route a little!

with Dan Whitlum
cdpuk 28/May/13 2nd dnf

Rained off. Abseiled down to retrieve gear.

andyevans 28/May/13 Lead O/S

Had to finish in the wet, otherwise an interesting technical route for one of my first vs leads

with cdpuk
TheNorthDwarf 13/May/13 2nd O/S
Hidden 07/May/13 TR
Hidden 07/May/13 TR
Hidden 07/May/13 TR
gingerwolf 05/May/13 2nd O/S
Hidden 04/May/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 03/May/13 2nd O/S
chrisrogers 27/Apr/13 Lead O/S

Led onsight in superb weather, seconded by Kyle as his second ever VS. Nice climbing but did it with one rope and placed some gear too far right so had to use long extenders. Upper crack was great fun. Quite tough for 4b.

08nbrierley 03/Apr/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 03/Apr/13 2nd O/S
Hidden 30/Mar/13 Lead O/S
morgan91 29/Mar/13 Lead O/S
andrewlyons14 29/Mar/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 25/Mar/13 Lead O/S
g1m147 03/Mar/13 Lead
with Gary (LCCC)
RossCallender ?/Mar/13 TR
welchy29 ?/Mar/13 -
Hidden ??/2013 -
Hidden ??/2013 Lead O/S
Daniel Heath 18/Dec/12 Lead O/S

Testing out new approach shoes.

bigbobbyking 10/Nov/12 2nd O/S
with Ian Faulkner
ian d f 10/Nov/12 Lead O/S
with Robert King
Stopsy 21/Oct/12 Lead O/S

v bold after the traverse for grade, enjoyable

with Thea
HAJ Francis 21/Oct/12 Lead O/S
with katie
dale 42 21/Oct/12 Lead O/S
TheaSmea 21/Oct/12 2nd O/S
with James
weeclare86 21/Oct/12 2nd
Merlin Fincken 21/Oct/12 2nd rpt
with Henry
TJ Mather 20/Oct/12 2nd O/S

Lewis' lead. Nice route that gets harder towards the top.

lareeth 20/Oct/12 TR O/S
lewismansell 20/Oct/12 Lead O/S
Mike Hood 29/Sep/12 Lead
with Alex
simon geering 11/Sep/12 TR

PYB rapid development rock climbing course.

with Rob
LouMullen 11/Aug/12 2nd
with Mark Gylby
Hidden 04/Aug/12 Lead O/S
spags88 13/Jul/12 TR O/S

easy start but difficult to get the hand holds with a wet rock, less hand and foot holds towards the top

with gary mitchell
Hidden 13/Jul/12 TR O/S
Hidden 25/Jun/12 TR
Hidden 04/Jun/12 Lead O/S
cherad 04/Jun/12 Lead O/S
with Michelle Henshall
steven_daniels99 02/Jun/12 2nd O/S
tommy 27/May/12 Lead
dansmonkeytroubles 20/May/12 Lead rpt
with Dot Greaves
Hidden 19/May/12 2nd O/S
Hidden 12/May/12 Lead O/S
mountainpunk 12/May/12 2nd
with Rich
Hidden 06/May/12 Lead O/S
Hedley 06/May/12 2nd O/S
lithos 05/May/12 Lead
with Mike Williamson
Hidden 05/May/12 2nd O/S
Beronj 05/May/12 Lead

Missed a few obvious holds, nice lead. Learnt a bit about Half-rope rigging and ab posts.

with Zara
Ows ?/May/12 Lead
Hidden 30/Apr/12 TR
bignige 30/Apr/12 TR O/S

Bottom rope

paradigm_tee 28/Apr/12 Lead
with calum_alien
Hidden 07/Apr/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 05/Apr/12 2nd
arandall 05/Apr/12 2nd O/S
Wendy Watthews 05/Apr/12 Lead O/S
DanC1985 01/Apr/12 Lead O/S
with Simon G
BenRyle 08/Mar/12 2nd O/S
Sarah Welsh 18/Feb/12 Lead O/S

Just for the record, the fall was slipping off the sodden turf as I walked to put protection into the belay stance at the top. The climb itself was clean - not least of all because it was running with water!

Hidden 18/Feb/12 2nd
jakethepeg 23/Jan/12 TR
Hidden 16/Jan/12 Lead
Blurgy319 15/Jan/12 Lead O/S
Jim Malo 13/Nov/11 Lead O/S
with Putt
fatbuoybazza 13/Nov/11 Lead O/S
Jonny M 13/Nov/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 13/Nov/11 2nd O/S
chrisallan 05/Nov/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 05/Nov/11 2nd
Hidden 05/Nov/11 Lead O/S
Emma Reynolds 25/Oct/11 TR
with Tom Young
Hidden 16/Oct/11 Lead O/S
simoncov 16/Oct/11 Lead

Panicked on the upper section and got top rope lowered down (thanks SimonC) then continued clean. Should have been easy but just bottled it when good footwork was required for the slanting crack.

with LJ
Darron 02/Oct/11 -
Ash_Johnson ?/Sep/11 Lead O/S

In boots.

Hidden 23/Aug/11 TR
DigitalSteak 13/Aug/11 2nd O/S
Ramblin dave 01/Aug/11 TR

Wet weather. Followed the CC guide route - very nice.

with Al, Simon W
Webster 31/Jul/11 Lead O/S

very little gear in bottom half, hard for 4b. practically soloed it, only had 2 good pieces of pro

yorkyrmcdo 27/Jun/11 Lead
with woody
Luis SD 25/Jun/11 Lead O/S
tommy 24/Jun/11 2nd
davesb 19/Jun/11 2nd O/S
taw 19/Jun/11 Lead O/S

My lead, well worth doing.

with Dave sb
stephenarnold 05/Jun/11 Lead O/S

Great climbing fun day out.

najames 05/Jun/11 Lead O/S
Ian JL 02/May/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 02/May/11 2nd
Michael Allday ?/May/11 Lead O/S
with rodney greenfield
quarrtman1 26/Apr/11 TR
with Nicky
Hidden 23/Apr/11 Lead
AndyFunnell 23/Apr/11 2nd
with Skinny
steven 23/Apr/11 2nd O/S
with Ade
Hidden 23/Apr/11 Lead
Savlon 15/Apr/11 2nd
with phil Yoemans
Hidden 06/Apr/11 Lead rpt
Hidden 06/Apr/11 2nd
SteWatkins ?/Apr/11 -
TomMorgan 19/Mar/11 Lead O/S
Tom Downes 06/Mar/11 2nd
csd23 06/Mar/11 Lead O/S
nickevens 06/Mar/11 Lead O/S
Will Fuller 05/Mar/11 TR O/S
mrstarwarsman 05/Mar/11 Lead O/S
heathergotrumbled 26/Feb/11 2nd O/S

Quite tricky at the top. George practiced placing gear.

with AN
George Nichols 26/Feb/11 TR O/S
Hidden 12/Feb/11 2nd
Matt Smith 12/Feb/11 TR O/S

Quite wet at the top diagonal crack, but still good layback moves. Top climb!

Hidden 12/Feb/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 08/Feb/11 Lead
monkeyboyraw 08/Feb/11 2nd
dansmonkeytroubles 22/Jan/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 22/Jan/11 2nd
Samuel Wainwright ??/2011 Lead O/S

first lead!

Rory Shaw ??/2011 -
Rob Evans ??/2011 Lead O/S
PAJames ??/2011 -
Alex.M-M. 21/Nov/10 Solo O/S
Hidden 10/Nov/10 Lead O/S
spalice 10/Nov/10 Lead O/S

Very scary! Had to really trust my feet.

with Jack Pyle, Gwen
Rob Hirst 28/Oct/10 Lead O/S
climbingchica 28/Oct/10 2nd
Hidden 10/Oct/10 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Oct/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 24/Sep/10 TR O/S
Steve J T 04/Sep/10 Lead β
Hidden 03/Sep/10 2nd O/S
Abevan 29/Aug/10 Lead O/S
with Andrew Gill
Hidden 26/Aug/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 10/Aug/10 TR O/S
Hidden 08/Aug/10 -
ritchierich 05/Aug/10 2nd rpt

Had to finish this route in the pouring rain.

with Vinny
vinspin 05/Aug/10 Lead
with ritchie
sten 02/Aug/10 Lead O/S
with Amy Gustin
Dave Bowler ?/Aug/10 Lead O/S
groovy_nut 28/Jul/10 Lead O/S

Initially following new Rockfax Welsh Classics guide, and as such the second half of the route climbed the 'rightwards slanting crack' which is most definitely at least 4c climbing. Upon looking in the CC Tremadog guide it becomes obvious that the crack is actually the second half of the route 'Mistook VS 4c' (note - in the Rockfax guide Mistook finishes up the Severe route and not this crack, and there is no way it could possibly warrant 4c or even VS as a grade).

with Sion
freemanTom 25/Jul/10 Lead

Followed the Rockfax line, through the letterbox and then the rightwards crack. 4c climbing. Top was sopping wet so traversed onto Rammers Route.

with Richard Henton
rockman 11/Jul/10 Lead O/S
timcedwards 11/Jul/10 2nd
Hidden 06/Jul/10 2nd O/S
mikespooner 06/Jul/10 Lead
with Tom Downes, Sian Gardiner
Tom Downes 06/Jul/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 08/Jun/10 TR O/S
Magsy 04/May/10 Lead
Donald Kelly 03/May/10 2nd O/S
with Clive Benneth
Hidden 03/May/10 Lead O/S
IanD353 ?/May/10 Lead O/S
with Mark H
rovers777 28/Apr/10 Lead RP
Slaney 17/Apr/10 Lead O/S

Nice steady climb, interesting top section

Hidden 17/Apr/10 Lead O/S
Booey 17/Apr/10 2nd O/S
MikeT ?/Apr/10 Lead rpt
with Gray R
titchbach ?/Apr/10 Lead
gcandlin 28/Mar/10 Lead O/S

sparse protection low down, tricky finish.

with Charles Rolfe
Hidden 19/Mar/10 2nd O/S
edpd1b ?/Mar/10 -
with Will kilgore
simeclimb68 ??/2010 -
MGrock ??/2010 -
Bramley Apple ??/2010 Lead O/S
with Steve, Pippa Cowley
thecurlyone 17/Oct/09 TR O/S
Andy_B39 10/Oct/09 Lead O/S
with James Davidson
Neil_Tristram 21/Sep/09 TR
Hidden ?/Sep/09 Solo
Hidden 29/Aug/09 TR O/S
Dizz 29/Jun/09 TR
Hidden 08/Jun/09 Lead O/S
smallerrich 24/May/09 Solo O/S
with Me
cavemancolumbus ?/Apr/09 Lead
with Jo
Od 24/Feb/09 Lead O/S


with Ben "Wurzel" Cook
Noodles 24/Feb/09 Lead
Hidden 24/Feb/09 Lead
nadeem 09/Feb/09 Lead O/S
with Aaron Crawley
adam.butler.dsfc 15/Dec/08 Lead O/S

took harder route to the left to finish

Hidden 26/Oct/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/Oct/08 2nd O/S
snakebite 16/Oct/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 07/Oct/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 16/Sep/08 TR O/S
Hidden ?/Sep/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 12/Aug/08 2nd
Hidden 04/Aug/08 TR O/S
Kate Edhouse 04/Aug/08 TR O/S
with Luke (brenin)
tontopink 30/Jul/08 Lead O/S
wadh1720 29/Jul/08 TR β

Tricky for first ever VS in wet. Had to dig deep.

with Will B, Dan C
da_cox 29/Jul/08 TR O/S

Showery conditions, slimy underfoot.

with Will Beharrell
SGD ?/Jul/08 Lead O/S
with Jenny Upright
AntWallace ?/May/08 Lead O/S
with Chris and Andy
mountainbagger 19/Apr/08 TR

First rock-climb outside! Quite difficult.

with Mrs Mountainbagger, Rachael
vaughansc ??/2008 -
Hidden ??/2008 -
Hidden ??/2008 -
King Smudger 22/Sep/07 2nd O/S
with James Dexter
Batty 22/Sep/07 2nd O/S
John Brayshaw 01/Sep/07 Lead O/S
with Chris
chris skipton 01/Sep/07 2nd
dave4430 05/Apr/07 TR O/S
tumbling wizard ?/Mar/07 Lead
climber sim ??/2007 -
Mike Turner 18/Jun/06 TR

On SPA course

sgl0jd ?/Jun/06 Lead
with Dave Davies
Jacob Ram 14/May/06 Lead O/S
with elisa best
daviesp2 08/Apr/06 TR
01wills ?/Apr/06 2nd O/S
with luke williams
Dale ?/Apr/06 Lead O/S
winter_burn 14/Feb/06 Lead O/S
maybe_si ?/Nov/05 Lead O/S
NewLeaf ?/Jun/05 2nd
2RoyalAnglian ?/Apr/05 TR
with plas y brenin r/c course
Hidden ??/2005 -
Dan 85 12/Dec/04 Lead O/S
with Tim and Jon
rob wmc 02/Oct/04 2nd O/S
with Pete
Hidden 04/May/04 Lead O/S
Andy Say 30/Aug/03 Lead
akhughes ?/Apr/03 Lead rpt
tommy82 13/Mar/03 Lead
Hidden ??/2003 Lead
dicky79 ??/2002 Lead O/S
with Mike Bottomley
Jacob Ram 02/Jun/01 Lead
with elisa best
Jacob Ram 23/Sep/00 2nd
with david harris
uphillnow ??/1967 -
Users with this climb on their wishlist are:
GregorySchadenfreude, Steve Waters, Mynydd, Hidden, Hidden
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