RH finish - hardAndysomething - 2nd - 07/Aug/14 with Bruce Perry
Hidden - 2nd - 25/Jul/14
jackappleby - 2nd rpt - 10/Jul/14 with Rowan
David Wynne - Lead dnf - 31/May/14 with Tony Womersley, John Brayshaw
HVS 5a if under 5ft 7"
mikestr555 - 2nd - 31/May/14
John Brayshaw - 2nd rpt - 31/May/14 with Tony Womersley, David Wynne
Al_Matheson - 2nd O/S - 26/May/14
Ginger_Dave - Lead rpt - 26/May/14 with Alistair matheson
DGY - AltLd O/S - 10/May/14 with Barbara & Graham
Finished up the right hand crack as I can never find the "hidden hold" on the left and anyway it's too far back to be any real use unless you have "go go gadget arms". Right hand finish is tenuous but fun!
ebf - Lead O/S - 30/Apr/14 with Will Poulter, Paul Stephenson
1poundSOCKS - Lead O/S - 15/Apr/14
bobpilgrem - 2nd - 15/Apr/14 with Matthew
ben.phillips - Lead O/S - 13/Apr/14 with Mike Gallimore
miles01 - Lead dog - 13/Apr/14 with Sally Byrne
Hidden - Lead - Apr/14
Good climbing, climbed mostly the left crack apart from the tricky top out were I used both. Agree with the 2 stars it gets in the latest guide even if I wasn't climbing well enough to get the best out of the route.
Graeme Hammond - Lead O/S - 09/Mar/14 with Richard Williams
Christine Close - 2nd O/S - 01/Mar/14 with Andy Murray
petegunn - Lead - 22/Feb/14 with Davina
Hidden - 2nd rpt - 22/Feb/14
Climbed the right hand crack then used the wall on the right to get higher and reach a semi-'jug'. Top out felt tough for the grade!
Chris Sansum - Lead rpt - 26/Dec/13 with Soren
John Brayshaw - 2nd rpt - 23/Nov/13 with Phil, Dan
Phil Mercer - Lead - 23/Nov/13 with John Brayshaw
Higher Primate - 2nd dog - 10/Nov/13 with Rich Coates, Ian Sutcliffe
Richard P Coates - Lead O/S - 10/Nov/13 with Drew, ianjfsutcliffe
Finding the 'hidden' hold is still tough.
Puma - 2nd - 06/Oct/13 with Will Smith, John Gill
DinoGator - 2nd - 06/Oct/13 with Will Smith, Paul
That hold still feels a long way! I think I've worked out the trick now though...
Will Smith - Lead rpt - 06/Oct/13 with John Gill, Paul Davies
malteserEd - Lead - 05/Oct/13
pastep - Lead - 25/Aug/13 with Ali
Hidden - TR O/S - 25/Aug/13
Julian Laidler - Lead - 16/Aug/13
Dervey - 2nd - 04/Aug/13
David Wynne - Lead - 02/Aug/13 with Tony Womersley
smee87 - TR O/S - 15/Jul/13 with Stephen Mezals.
Chris Reid - Solo - 30/Jun/13
cherad - Lead O/S - 15/Jun/13 with Louise Bell
vix - 2nd O/S - 02/Jun/13 with Felix
Rested on the rope on the crux.
Blisco - 2nd dog - 12/May/13 with Alison Stanley, David Sim
Left finish, nice move to the hold well back ;-)
crispycodd - Lead O/S - 05/May/13 with David Tidman
One long reach for short guy!
Dptidman - 2nd - 05/May/13 with Chris Todd
michelleaukland - 2nd - 04/May/13 with Claudia
David Wynne - 2nd dnf - 03/May/13 with dave hunter
al jackson - Lead - May/13
Hidden - 2nd - 28/Apr/13
lanky and weak - Solo O/S - 26/Apr/13 with Katie
Hidden - Lead O/S - 22/Apr/13
Calum Wadsworth - Lead O/S - 21/Apr/13 with Emma
straight forward until final move - needed tug on rope, very rounded
Tanya Savage - 2nd - 20/Apr/13 with Neil Pacey
Knew nothing about the hidden hold, found the top move very entertaining. Wasn't sure I was going to get it.
Neil Pacey - Lead O/S - 20/Apr/13 with Tanya Savage
Hidden - Lead O/S - 15/Apr/13
Charlie Zephyr Booth - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/13 with martin broadhurst
Roberdeen1 - 2nd - 01/Mar/13 with Adam Noble
Bergbaten - TR β - 2013
Hidden - Lead O/S - 2013
mikestr555 - 2nd - 01/Nov/12
lithos - Lead - 14/Oct/12 with Puma
Puma - 2nd - 14/Oct/12 with Rob Stone
petegunn - 2nd - 04/Oct/12 with Tom, Davina
Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/Oct/12
Hung about on the penultimate jug for an age before committing to the final move!
Carter - Lead O/S - Oct/12
ian storey - Lead O/S - 19/Sep/12 with jake galley
Awesome climb 3* in my opinion. Loved it. So many nice moves on it, thought I'd done the hard moves at least twice then I got to the top move!!!! Slipped off after going up and down a few times! Maybe harder if you're short...but not sure...will have to ask some of my taller buddies what they think when they do it.
valentinesbabe - Lead dog - 15/Sep/12 with Kevin Tithe
Tithe Technique - 2nd O/S - 15/Sep/12 with Angela Paul
Dan0Me - Lead O/S - 15/Sep/12 with Chris Hill
Hidden - 18/Aug/12
petekeron - Lead O/S - 16/Aug/12 with Steve Brock
Hard last move
RFWilkie - Lead O/S - 02/Aug/12 with Sarah
sbrowitt - Lead O/S - Aug/12 with Rebecca Browitt
So glad I didn't know about the hidden jug, would have spoiled a really satisfying, committing move. Pretty easy apart from the top though. Some nice jams.
mattwilk - Lead O/S - 29/Jul/12 with Rich
Simonj - Lead O/S - 29/Jul/12 with jim
Right crack only
Jimmy1976 - Lead O/S - 29/Jul/12 with Simon
Left crack only
Jimmy1976 - 2nd O/S - 29/Jul/12 with Simon
rich.wy - 2nd O/S - 29/Jul/12
jasonpm - AltLd O/S - 04/Jun/12 with Simon
trueuk1 - 2nd - 27/May/12
Gary A S - 2nd β - 27/May/12 with MarkP
Matt Cooke - 2nd β - 14/May/12 with Andrew Cooke
Dizz - 2nd O/S - 31/Mar/12 with Richard S
Seconded Rich up this double crack line. Still getting used to jams, using more laybacking and brute force.
Beronj - Lead - 23/Mar/12 with Richard Alderton
Faffed around trying to make the last move, so had a wee rest. Should have just trusted the jams to come.
Richard Alderton - Lead dog - 22/Mar/12 with Matt Beringer
Hidden - Lead - 20/Mar/12
stev1e.wilso - 2nd - 18/Mar/12 with Simon
simon1985 - Lead - 18/Mar/12 with Steve Wilson
Up left crack, then traversed onto right crack for finishing move. Rounded.
MichaelGallimore - Lead O/S - 10/Mar/12 with AUfton
mzchambers - Lead O/S - 26/Feb/12 with Josh
Hidden - Lead O/S - 2012
simon1985 - Lead RP - 2012 with Steve Wilson
stev1e.wilso - 2nd - 2012 with Simon
robertmctague - Lead O/S - 2012
ruairidhwad - Lead O/S - 2012 with Burnes
Wizzy - Lead O/S - 2012
RossKirtley - Solo O/S - 17/Nov/11
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 12/Nov/11
mr random - Lead O/S - 12/Nov/11 with Rob Laird-
ChrisBrooke - Lead O/S - 06/Nov/11 with Andy Houseman
Rob Laird - 2nd O/S - Nov/11
Lefthand crack. Good route.
freemanTom (Guildford MC) - Lead - 24/Oct/11 with Paul Davies
daviesp2 - 2nd - 24/Oct/11 with Tom
Right crack only
Jimmy1976 - 2nd O/S - 16/Oct/11 with Simon
Simonj - Lead O/S - 16/Oct/11 with jim
Drew M - Lead - 16/Oct/11 with Nick Smith
nic42 - 2nd O/S - 16/Oct/11 with dru
Climbster - Lead O/S - 15/Oct/11
Bloke on a Rope - Lead O/S - 15/Oct/11 with Matt
Hidden - 02/Oct/11
ryansb90 - 2nd dnf - 24/Sep/11 with Callum Sewell
TRFrost - Lead O/S - 22/Sep/11 with R. Timms
Running_Board - Lead - Sep/11
Hidden - Lead - 29/Aug/11
waynem1985 - Lead O/S - 27/Aug/11 with Mac
ruffnek - Lead dog - 23/Aug/11 with Philip Howard
Hidden - Lead β - 21/Aug/11
dakidunn - 2nd - 21/Aug/11
mikestr555 - 2nd O/S - 21/Aug/11
spitfirerick - Lead dog - 21/Aug/11
sarah hawker - TR dnf - 31/Jul/11 with Adrian W
Adrianw - Lead dnf - 31/Jul/11 with Sarah Hawker
Right hand crack and right exit. Exciting!!
rockman - Lead O/S - 22/Jun/11 with Tony Worboys, Tim Edwards
timcedwards - 2nd - 22/Jun/11 with Geoff Mee
Hidden - Lead rpt - 21/Jun/11
Hidden - Lead O/S - 11/Jun/11
munch88 - 2nd β - 10/Jun/11 with ben
Hidden - 2nd - 07/Jun/11
Partner couldn't do the top move, so lowered off. Pulled the rope through, then lead clean! Good route, cracking top move once committed!
Dafydd Llywelyn - Lead O/S - 06/Jun/11 with Mathew Ringrose
Really enjoyable, opted for the exit to the right with a sinker of a fist jam and a rewarding top out.
APRS - Lead O/S - 06/Jun/11 with Alex Craven
Hidden - Lead dog - 04/Jun/11
Klingon - 2nd - 21/May/11 with John
Anthony Dixon - Lead - 04/May/11
had to rest on the rope at the last move did it when i found the hidden jug
joem - Lead dog - 27/Apr/11
Lead till last move!! Top bit black for VS move!!
Michael Whitley - Lead dnf - 20/Apr/11 with James Gowdy
Hidden - Lead dnf - 20/Apr/11
Haighy - TR O/S - 28/Mar/11
Mitch1990 - Lead O/S - 24/Mar/11
Jimbo_28 - Lead O/S - 24/Mar/11
Spence22 - TR O/S - 16/Mar/11
munch88 - TR O/S - 19/Jan/11 with Dan O, rob
povrs50 - Lead O/S - 2011
RobSimmo - 2nd O/S - 13/Nov/10 with Jon Lewis, Jon Berry
kato'sdad - Lead - 13/Nov/10 with Jon Lewis, Rob Simpson
Hidden - 2nd - 13/Nov/10
Anta Misina - 2nd - 14/Oct/10
kelricho2000 - 2nd O/S - 24/Sep/10
petebale2000 - Lead RP - 15/Sep/10 with Daniel Virgin
Hidden - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/10
Hidden - TR - Sep/10
chrisallan - Lead O/S - 29/Aug/10
Climbed mostly on left crack before moving across to the right for the finishing moves.
Jimmy1976 - 2nd O/S - 27/Aug/10 with Simon
Simonj - Lead O/S - 27/Aug/10 with jim
seconding by headtorch as dusk curfew at brimham now well and truly exceeded! Will did the left hand finish
pebbles - 2nd - 24/Aug/10 with will smith
Felt like I couldn't make the stretch to the hidden jug first few goes and had to downclimb to ledge to rest. Got it eventually which was a good job as the sun had gone down and I didn't have a headtorch!
Will Smith - Lead O/S - 24/Aug/10 with Peri
jackappleby - Lead O/S - 17/Aug/10
christompzn - Lead - 11/Aug/10
spragglerocks - Lead rpt - 07/Aug/10 with James Hoyes
Hoyes - 2nd O/S - 07/Aug/10 with Rachael S
the hardest lead so far had to climb down to rest but made it to the top
parksy986 - Lead O/S - 06/Aug/10 with martin hill
ollyroberts - Lead O/S - 05/Aug/10 with Matty
Hidden - Lead - 18/Jul/10
Andy Hudson - Lead - 11/Jul/10 with Rob M
elbeanio - 2nd O/S - 04/Jul/10
Hidden - 03/Jul/10
Hidden - 2nd - 23/Jun/10
Pam lead up to the last move, had a couple of goes, fell off and lowered down. I finished it off. Easy bar the final move (though I had spotted it from above). Pam was fuming when she latched the jug on second!
niallk - Lead β - 19/Jun/10 with Pam
Hidden - Lead dnf - 19/Jun/10
Hidden - 05/Jun/10
scallan022 - Lead O/S - 05/Jun/10 with scottie390
ankyo - Lead - 03/Jun/10
1st Lead fall searching for anything to hold at the top of LH crack, wish I found the jug
cjbaker - Lead dnf - 31/May/10 with Jack Sage
Tiddles09 - Lead dnf - 15/May/10 with Alex Charlesworth
spragglerocks - 2nd β - 09/May/10 with Matt Box
Got beta, from a couple of lad wondering around at the top, with the location of the jug - it is there somewhere! That's the 4c move otherwise this climb is a 4b.
Lumbering Oaf - Lead β - 09/May/10 with Verity Payne, Rachel Spraggs
Hidden - TR - 09/May/10
Was given beta that there was a jug on the top left of the top out. If I was a foot taller might even have been useful to know
alexyoung - Lead O/S - 08/May/10 with Lee
climbingste - Lead O/S - 02/May/10 with Richard Lambert
PaulHermes - Lead - 18/Apr/10 with Martin VCCC
jadm2 - TR rpt - 14/Apr/10 with Andy
Hidden - 2nd - 02/Apr/10
Hidden - 2nd dog - 02/Apr/10
hailtryfan - Lead O/S - Apr/10 with AJ Bowley
Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Mar/10
kind of boring , but the top was worth it as it was slopy with a jug really far back and i made it! yay - loads of gear.
ekaterina sigida - Lead - 24/Mar/10 with Charlotte Wood
ferdia - Lead O/S - 19/Mar/10 with Clare Muir
Hidden - TR - 15/Mar/10
Typical and hilariously sketchy right-hand-side top out!
B-bop - Lead O/S - 20/Feb/10 with Jake
Hidden - 2nd - Feb/10
tough finish for the short as the intermediate scoop is rubbish before getting to the finishing jug
lukerockwalker - 2nd - 30/Jan/10
brockers - Lead O/S - 2010 with CarlZ
alasdair19 - 2010
jack89 - TR O/S - 26/Oct/09
right hand crack all the way.
andrew sandercock - 2nd rpt - 05/Oct/09
djbeaumont - Lead O/S - 27/Sep/09 with chris brogan
GrantB - Lead - 25/Aug/09 with Team York (RELOAD)
Drenched half way up,too wet to finish.
The Mountain Goat - Lead dnf - 15/Aug/09
Lisaaa - 2nd - 13/Aug/09 with Mike Watson
Not very impressed.
just wanna climb - 2nd - 08/Aug/09 with Ian Cook Cook Cook
Needed a tight rope at the top (crux). A very unfriendly finish
erica - 2nd - 19/Jul/09 with John
John Brayshaw - Lead O/S - 19/Jul/09 with Erica
Hidden - Lead O/S - 15/Jul/09
jonka - Lead - Jul/09 with sean
christensena - 2nd - Jul/09
Hidden - Lead - 25/Jun/09
monstermunch - 2nd O/S - 24/Jun/09 with Ed & Chris
Hidden - 2nd rpt - 14/Jun/09
Rampikino - 2nd - 13/Jun/09 with Cat
hellboundblr - Lead - 30/May/09 with Danny Smudge
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 30/May/09
mol - Lead - 24/May/09 with Jesse
Jesse Dufton - 2nd - 24/May/09 with Molly Thompson
2nd lead, got quite epic'y at the top, still got the scrapes...
Nibs - Lead O/S - 23/May/09 with JLS and Gavin
JLS - 2nd O/S - 23/May/09 with Gavin R. & Mike B.
shouter - 2nd - 03/May/09
MD - 2nd - 03/May/09 with Heg
dancey1981 - 2nd - May/09
Hung around and got pumped on top move. Need to get more climbing done.
Mike H - Lead dog - 25/Apr/09 with Jamie Smith
Enjoyable climb no problems
Johnny B Diggerman - TR O/S - 20/Apr/09 with Reese
Hidden - 2nd dnf - 12/Apr/09
Right hand crack to finish
markfairbank - Lead O/S - 03/Apr/09 with Alan Turner, Mick D
David Wynne - 2nd - 03/Apr/09 with Andy Blakely
shouter - Lead - Apr/09
had a slight jibber at the top trying to do the left hand finish then went right and finished up, quality route!
andrew sandercock - Lead O/S - 26/Mar/09 with ryan perry
Hidden - 2nd - 22/Mar/09
PaulHermes - Lead - 15/Mar/09 with VCC
Finally did the last move, the top rope helped me commit. Next time I lead it
jugglingeek - 2nd RP - 01/Mar/09 with trev
Tried to finish up the left crack, couldn't figure out the horrendous looking sloping top out, so swapped to the right hand crack with no little difficulty and absolutely no style whatsoever. A proper battle!
victim of mathematics - Lead O/S - 22/Feb/09 with gwilym
KragKing - 2nd - 2009
Hidden - 2009
lithos - Lead dog - 25/Dec/08 with julie
adam carless - 2nd rpt - 14/Dec/08 with Chris from Durham
stukent - Lead - 16/Nov/08
dirty off-width, forearm shredder!
Woodiee - 2nd O/S - 16/Nov/08 with Stu Kent
matsavage - Lead O/S - 01/Nov/08
Hidden - TR O/S - 09/Sep/08
jadm2 - 2nd - 16/Aug/08
scott mayled - 03/Aug/08
dodgy top out
Mattyk - 2nd - 22/Jul/08 with Natasha
Right hand finish.
tash - Lead O/S - 22/Jul/08 with Matty K
Jack00 - Lead O/S - 20/Jul/08 with Chucky
jonny taylor - Lead O/S - 13/Jul/08 with Andy B
tried to finish on left, not sure where the hell secret hold was, teetered right, gibbered somewhat and finished up right crack.
pebbles - Lead - 13/Jul/08 with cefyn
did the right hand only, pretty hard I think!
gilldando - 2nd - 13/Jul/08 with Mike
top route,very well protected and a sweet finish!Try the right hand finish the holds aren't hidden..just a big wide crack
mikekeswick - Lead O/S - 13/Jul/08 with gill
cem - Lead O/S - 28/Jun/08 with Rob Truckle
duzinga - 2nd O/S - 05/Jun/08 with Stu Bolton
Hidden - Lead rpt - 04/Jun/08
Tadams - Lead β - Jun/08
Hidden - Lead dnf - 03/May/08
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 03/May/08
Hidden - Lead - 26/Apr/08
Hidden - 2nd rpt - 22/Apr/08
only bouldered the bottom section due to green slime
gilldando - Sent rpt - 16/Mar/08 with Mike
LeighAdams - TR - 12/Mar/08 with Eddie Banks
I didn't take the guide book so I didn't know the grade or about the "secret hold". After some very rusty laybacks I took at good look at the top and couldn't see anything at all that would help me top out so I had to down climb the rest of the route taking out gear as I went. I WILL be back to send this one.
Returned 18/05/08 and bottled it again.
jugglingeek - Lead dnf - 10/Feb/08 with Eve
An easy VS. Very well protected. The only tricky bit is making the move at the top to find the secret hold.
duzinga - Lead O/S - 09/Feb/08 with Rob
Liam Martin - TR - 2008
Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Nov/07
Hidden - 2nd - 17/Nov/07
some gear preplaced
gareth scott borthwick - Lead O/S - 04/Nov/07 with Luke McMullin
Claire S-J - 2nd - Sep/07
mje1398 - Lead O/S - 28/Aug/07 with Matt K
Mattyk - 2nd - 28/Aug/07 with Matt Evans
Hidden - Lead - 29/Jul/07
Neil Mackenzie - Lead O/S - 07/Jul/07 with mark
Retardedly pumpy for a vs, good gear and jamming tho, pumped out try to get into the top grove. Sandy had a go and did the same.
andymoin - Lead dnf - 07/Jul/07 with sandy
markhowley - 2nd - 07/Jul/07 with Neil
Adam1973 - Lead rpt - 29/Jun/07 with philnorv
My first VS attempt last year and my first leader fall, so this was unfinished business.
PanzerHanzler - Lead rpt - 24/May/07 with David Rafe
Hidden - Lead O/S - 21/Apr/07
Hidden - Lead - 03/Mar/07
nick ferro - 2007
tallan9 - 2007
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 17/Dec/06
Matt Bill Platypus - Lead O/S - 17/Dec/06 with JonL
jimstanton - Lead - Nov/06
SteveM - Lead - 07/Oct/06 with Tobs
Hidden - Solo O/S - 21/Jul/06
lead on stu's gear, top move a pig.
joe_alexander - Lead β - 15/Jul/06 with Gemma
Hidden - 2nd dog - 15/Jul/06
Fell off trying to locate the hidden secret jug at the finish of the left hand crack of the pair!
PanzerHanzler - Lead dnf - 17/Jun/06 with David Rafe
Another bloody horrible finish. Scuttled right or lowered off, can't remember.
Dave Foster - Lead - Jun/06 with Bryn
VS4b - Lead dnf - 12/May/06
Brown - 2nd O/S - 05/May/06 with Beth
Hidden - Lead - May/06
stuart100 - Lead rpt - 14/Apr/06 with Claire Graham
Chris Sansum - 2006
gonzo_ls9 - Lead O/S - 2006 with nol, d dickey
Hidden - Lead dog - 09/Oct/05
Sankey - 2nd - Sep/05 with Luke
Hidden - Lead O/S - Aug/05
clive-greenwood - Lead - 28/Mar/05 with Mike Nuttall
MikeLeeds - 2nd - 28/Mar/05 with Clive Greenwood
sce8 - Lead O/S - 14/Nov/04
Hidden - Lead O/S - 30/Aug/04
cham749 - TR - Jul/04
Monk - Lead O/S - May/04
Tom Vivian - 2nd - 16/Mar/04
John Kettle - Lead - 2004
CurlyStevo - Lead - 2004
sdht - 2004
trashed Level 1
adamwesthead - Lead dog - 05/Sep/03
Simon Caldwell - Lead O/S - 23/Jul/03 with Carmen
Hidden - 2nd - 04/Jun/03
Hidden - TR - 11/May/03
shoulders - Lead - 12/Jan/03 with Pete C
babymoac - Lead - 05/Aug/02 with Pete C
dougiestein - Lead - Jul/02
Hidden - Lead O/S - May/02
Hidden - 2nd β - 20/Apr/02
teespaddler - Lead - 2002
beermonkey - Lead - Jul/01 with alan
D Berry - Lead O/S - 17/Jun/00 with Claire Berry
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 14/May/00
Whealiebob - 2000 with Robin
craig h - 2000
Hidden - Lead O/S - 2000
Hidden - Solo - 2000
Jonathan Richardson - Lead - 2000
Roget - Solo O/S - 28/Oct/99
Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Aug/99
ando227 - Lead O/S - Jul/99 with lois
chile-dog03 - Lead O/S - 21/Jun/99 with Graham Thompson
beaumap - 25/Apr/98 with Tim Waddington
rocktigger - Lead O/S - Mar/98 with lee + shelby
jfmchivall - 1998
Hidden - Lead - 12/Oct/96
Chris Ellis - Lead O/S - 27/May/95 with Louise Pellett
Tom V - Lead - 30/Apr/95 with Glenn Watson
May of led tho would of 2nd Art. if not?
stevo smith - 1995 with Arthur smith (Dad)
Hidden - Solo O/S - 05/Jun/94
Raggar - 2nd - 04/Sep/93 with Guy C
Hidden - Lead - 1992
kato'sdad - Lead - 11/Aug/91 with Jerry Mattinson
Hammy - 2nd - 16/Aug/90 with Pete Smith
malc - 2nd - 14/Mar/89
Neil R - 2nd - 08/May/88
Hidden - 1982
Tenko - Lead O/S - 08/Feb/81 with Pock Venture Scouts
RichardMc - Lead - 26/Jun/76 with Don Hammond
Hidden - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/75
mikej - Lead - 16/Aug/72 with Stewart Grant
greenbuoy - Lead - 03/Jul/71 with Bob ?
Dave Musgrove - Lead - Jun/67 with Bob Knapton