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Zig-Zag** HS 4b

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[Zig-Zag first pitch, 3 kb]No description has been contributed for this climb.
S.W.Herford And Party 1912

Ticklists: North Wales Rock Graded List, North Wales 100 Classic Climbs.

Photo: Zig-Zag first pitch © christensena
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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 224 logbooks, and on 14 wishlists.

Nigel Coe - AltLd - 22/Jun/14 with Pete Kelly

Climbed in the late evening. Good conditions and a beautiful dusk to be seen down Nant Ffrancon. Came down after dark. Difficult sections on both pitches with polished rock.
wynniemandela - 2nd - 16/Jun/14

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 16/Jun/14

Struggled and cursed all the way up the big crack (P1) before going off-course P2.
MarkLoveday - AltLd O/S - 15/Jun/14 with mark s, Chris Bridgland

Mark L led first pitch and did really good job in the crack. Went off route on second pitch and Mark S led up Monolith to finish. Can't believe the twin cracks are meant to be HS !
Stoff - 2nd O/S - 14/Jun/14 with Mark L, Mark S

Nicholas Livesey - 2nd - 12/Jun/14 with Bryn Williams, Paul Poole

'Interesting' thrutchy climbing.
JenRoberts - 2nd O/S - 05/Jun/14 with Ollie

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/May/14

Hidden - Lead - 27/May/14

kivell - 03/May/14

Hidden - Lead - 03/May/14

P1 was fun and thrutchy. Pitch 2 felt much harder than HS, jamming up the hand crack. Got benighted and had to descend in the dark at 12!
adamre12 - AltLd O/S - 29/Apr/14 with Hannah Hupfeld, Chris Nutman

Hidden - 19/Apr/14

Cwallace - AltLd - 19/Apr/14

Felt much harder than HS 4b. Defo for pitch two is at least VS possibly HVS.
chris nutman - AltLd O/S - Apr/14 with Adam

oldmanofmow - 2014

Nick Biven - 2014

Si - 2014

Hidden - 2014

muppett - 2014

partz - Lead O/S - 12/Aug/13 with James Lloyd

JamesLloyd - Lead O/S - 12/Aug/13

Interesting second pitch
Same - Lead O/S - 03/Aug/13

Mattzx6r - AltLd - 20/Jul/13 with Sonia

sonic46 - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13 with Matt Page

Did this as a three, I led first pitch, Ewan took second. Mike and I couldn't hear a thing from the first belay, Ewan spent ages yelling down to us, eventually got us on Mike's mobile!
DaveGarrity - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13 with Ewan, Mike Henesy

Is this really Severe ? Def HS
sdawson1 - AltLd O/S - 05/Jul/13 with JB

Hard for grade
demarcation86 - Lead O/S - 04/Jul/13 with John M, Paul

JAGM - 2nd - 04/Jul/13 with Paul, demarcation86

centurion05 - 2013

tim20 - 2013

deklan - Lead - 2013 with mark

Hidden - AltLd dog - 12/Aug/12

Hidden - AltLd - 08/Aug/12

Hidden - 2nd - 08/Aug/12

georgedunton - Lead O/S - 24/Jul/12 with tom folley

svdie - Jul/12

ojgrant - AltLd - 11/May/12 with Ben Humphreys

No problems apart from getting numb hands after spending too long squeezing rucsack up P2 chimney. Agree with HS, well protected.
robthered - 2nd dog - 22/Jan/12

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Daymo - AltLd O/S - 19/Nov/11 with Gaz, Len Oakes

Hidden - AltLd - 19/Nov/11

Hidden - AltLd - 02/Oct/11

jcook1980 - 2nd - 01/Oct/11 with Leo

leohl - Lead O/S - 01/Oct/11 with Jonathon Cook

sian88 - AltLd O/S - 28/Sep/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Sep/11

saltwater - Lead - 30/Aug/11

Hidden - Lead - 18/Aug/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 23/Jul/11

Led pitch 1. Gets HS 4b in NWR
Chris Manasseh - AltLd - 10/Jul/11 with Andy Gee

Sera made this into a 3 pitch climb, I did 1 and 3. Sera did quartz slab inbetween pitches :(
ritchierich - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/11 with Sera Roberts

hawkins321 - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/11 with dan, ash

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/11

really good with some funky pollish
bigdan050 - AltLd - 26/Jun/11 with Mark

lead P2. Nice enough.
farmus21 - AltLd - 28/May/11 with Tim

LukeyG - AltLd - 01/May/11

C-nunez - AltLd O/S - 01/May/11 with Luke Goble

benchwarmer - Lead O/S - 25/Apr/11 with Lizzie

Tom Greenwood - AltLd O/S - 16/Apr/11 with Chris Shannon

richardcreagh - Lead O/S - 11/Apr/11

amthalmann - 2nd - 11/Apr/11 with Richard

Climbed with Jill, led P1 and P2.
Noodles - Lead - 09/Apr/11 with Jill Reinsch

Jillybean - 2nd - 09/Apr/11 with Martyn

lilliyan - 2nd - Apr/11

Hidden - 2011

Rory Shaw - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

PAJames - 2011

PAJames - 2011

mwatson - 2011

Hidden - 2011

djromberg - 2011

A Beast! Lead 1st half of 1st pitch. Steve lead 2nd part. 2nd pitch was a N mare on the lead and i nearly paid for it. Great!
Run_Ross_Run - AltLd - 17/Oct/10 with Steve

a right ego buster. the flared v groove was horrendous
stvredmond - Lead - 17/Oct/10 with Darren Ross

trigger118 - Lead O/S - 10/Oct/10 with Ben Alsford

Lee Groves - AltLd O/S - Oct/10 with Charlie Allington

Hidden - AltLd - 14/Sep/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 04/Sep/10

dpiddock - 2nd O/S - 04/Sep/10 with Jonathan, James C

Quite stiff, unsure of correct last pitch, did chimney up on the LHS at the top of the slab.
IainRUK - Lead O/S - 30/Aug/10

RhedwrMynydd - AltLd - 30/Aug/10

Kyle F - AltLd - 16/Aug/10

Climbed with a sack, quite tough for the grade.
Andrew Sloan - Lead O/S - 21/Jul/10 with Tim

Hidden - AltLd - 05/Jul/10

PanzerHanzler - AltLd rpt - 27/Jun/10 with Sheila Norman, Adrian Fagg

gordon henderson - AltLd O/S - 13/Jun/10 with andy woolston

Keith Jones - AltLd - 11/Jun/10 with David

oliverharold - 2nd - 30/May/10

rustaldo - AltLd O/S - 28/May/10 with Kit Perry

Did the first pitch, nearly fell off in the V groove chimney that was really tricky. HS Definitely.
Chris Perry - AltLd O/S - 28/May/10

Very polished and thrutchy - good fun with hindsight though not at the time ;-)
jandyd05 - Lead O/S - 28/May/10 with Julie Anglesea

Hidden - 2nd - 28/May/10

Ivan Muckle - Lead - 23/May/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 22/May/10

Liam FLeming - AltLd - 22/May/10

P2. Also P1 to retrieve the abseil rope.
Hjort - AltLd O/S - 19/May/10 with John Vincent

Great route.like the chock stones
Od - AltLd O/S - 09/May/10 with Martyn "Noodles" Middleton

Great route, led pitch 2 where its all about the twist and change :)
Noodles - AltLd - 08/May/10 with Oliver Ruffle (O.d)

Ows - Lead - May/10

Sardien - AltLd O/S - 24/Apr/10 with Simon Moore

Laura-lou - 2nd - 17/Apr/10 with Paul Shepherd

Liam FLeming - 10/Apr/10 with karen dalzell

IainRUK - Lead - 2010

innesmac - 2010

I led P1, then it started hammering down with rain, Stewart led straight up the slab to access a wild abseil down the intimidating end wall, all worked out OK in the end!
The Ivanator - AltLd O/S - 30/Oct/09 with Stewart

Awsome fun, went up different crack to finish which involved a footless mantle, Crazy!!!
Bennykr - Lead O/S - 13/Oct/09 with Dome Boi

chippyjeff - 2nd dog - 13/Oct/09 with Ben R

Second time, good traditional route
aide - 2nd O/S - 26/Sep/09 with paul valentine

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 13/Sep/09

very polished
christensena - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/09

Hidden - 2nd - Sep/09

groovy_nut - 2nd O/S - 08/Aug/09 with Chris

Hidden - 2nd - 02/Aug/09

Rob Pitt - Lead O/S - 29/Jun/09 with Helen Pitt

hepitt - 2nd - 29/Jun/09 with Rob Pitt

DrJon - 2nd dog - 19/Jun/09 with Dave Walsh & Pete

Had a Mare Jamming up the crack, plenty of pro tho!
Jon Pilling - Lead dog - 09/Jun/09 with Si Williams

Good route, bold moves in places. New and old guide books show slightly different 2nd pitch with biog difference in difficulty.
aide - Lead O/S - 18/Apr/09 with Dave Con

koopa - 2009

Hidden - 2nd - 2009

Hidden - AltLd - Nov/08

Hidden - 2nd O/S - Oct/08

peggy_on_the_rocks - 2nd - Sep/08 with Dan

Well harder than grade suggested!
Martyn - 2nd O/S - 25/Jul/08 with Ryan Simpson

fizzychewitt - AltLd - 24/Jul/08 with Dave Barnes

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Jul/08

adam06 - AltLd - 09/Jun/08 with Sarah Lewington and stefan roberts

stefan7n - 2nd - 09/Jun/08 with The Radcliff, Sarah

igneouscarl - Lead O/S - 08/Jun/08

hapymike - Lead - 17/May/08

Hidden - AltLd - May/08

Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/08

Awkward chimneys; back and feet required.
pnorth - AltLd - 16/Apr/08 with Tim Ewington

Lead pitches 2 and 3
Nigel R Lewis - AltLd - 05/Apr/08 with Dave, Tyrone saunders

davidjm - 2nd - 05/Apr/08 with Nigel L, Ty S

mol - Lead - 17/Feb/08 with Fiona Bangs

Hidden - 2008

Hard route for the grade i felt. Felt more HS
ashsleight - 2nd O/S - Oct/07 with Rob King

EAYL - AltLd - 11/Sep/07 with Dr.Strangeglove

Found first pitch straighforward- chimney on second pitch a proper strenuous back and foot effort. Good pro all the way.
bobpilgrem - Lead O/S - 25/Aug/07 with Bob/Nic

RachelP - Lead O/S - 31/Jul/07

The top pitch we did may not have been the right route - a strenuous jamming crack just above the belay - looked the right route from the guide but surely too hard for S...
Justin T - Lead O/S - 28/Jun/07 with Wifey

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 28/Jun/07

Led P1.
Stig - AltLd O/S - 24/Jun/07 with Charlie Reade-Jahn

Having not properly lead outdoors for about a 3 weeks, month i shit my self on the first pitch! Retreated on the V-groove and let my partner lead that bit. The wind was blowing at 30mph which didn't help... I lead the second pitch though was an interesting climb....
Gareth_Thomas - AltLd O/S - 18/May/07 with Nesquik Dave

the juicy dangler - AltLd O/S - 20/Apr/07 with carlene hill

Hidden - AltLd - 02/Feb/07

fran04 - 2nd - 2007

deanroberts - Lead O/S - 2007

Sean Kelly - 2007

gregoldridge - Lead O/S - 2007 with Jonathan Bertalot

robo84 - AltLd - 2007

Rob Laird - AltLd O/S - 12/Nov/06 with AJ

The groove on the 1st pitch is a bit of a b**tard!
beegsyboy - AltLd O/S - 08/Sep/06 with Eccie + Lewis

got a bit confused on second pitch, i say no more!
Neil Mackenzie - AltLd O/S - 08/Sep/06 with Tim + Lewis

lewisl - 2nd O/S - 08/Sep/06 with Tim and Bell

zcapxa5 - Lead O/S - 28/May/06 with Hanneke den Ouden

Hidden - 2006

mikelaing - 2006

I backed off first pitch with Gary, lead the 2nd pitch with si
emlynroberts - AltLd - 2006 with Si Creer

Hidden - 2nd - Oct/05

gripped01 - Lead O/S - Sep/05 with Mark Catt

Gabe - 2nd rpt - 06/Aug/05 with Steve, Kat

Hidden - Lead - Jul/05

Hidden - AltLd - 2005

Hidden - 2005

platt2000 - Lead - 2004

Mark Riley - Lead O/S - Jun/03 with Milly

Mark Riley - Lead O/S - Jun/03 with Milly

unfit - AltLd - 19/Apr/03 with matt w

Brown - Solo O/S - 2002

fenn123 - 2002

fenn123 - 2002

ZA - 2nd - Jul/00 with dad

marcoleptic - 2000

Hidden - AltLd - Jul/99

Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/Aug/98

sixties - AltLd - 13/May/98 with hrd

smudge - Solo O/S - 03/May/98 with Ant and Mike

zero six - Lead O/S - 1998

Hidden - Solo - 04/Oct/97

BenTiffin - Lead - 14/Jan/97 with Gareth Field

Hidden - Lead - 1997

buxtoncoffeelover - Lead - Aug/96

R-hand crack, pitch 3
iskra2000 - Lead - 30/May/96 with Robert Powney

Hidden - 1996

Hidden - Lead - 22/Jul/95

Ian Archer - AltLd - 18/Sep/94 with James Gunn

Mike_T0501 - Lead - 20/Aug/94

stokienomad - Lead - 26/Sep/93

Hidden - Lead O/S - 06/Jun/93

Mike_T0501 - AltLd O/S - 06/Jun/93

DavPk - AltLd - 1993 with Gareth Wood

sdht - 1992

Hidden - 2nd - 04/Jul/91

Hidden - 2nd - 20/May/91

OMSKB - Jun/89

OMSKB - Lead - Jun/89

Hidden - 2nd - 07/May/89

Andy Say - Solo O/S - 29/Jun/88

Hidden - AltLd - Aug/87

Ched - Lead O/S - 1987 with Glyn

led 1st pitch
michael burrows - AltLd O/S - 18/Oct/85 with steve morris

Backinthegame - Lead O/S - May/85

nigehughes - Lead - Jul/84 with Karl Greenwood

Hidden - Lead - 29/Aug/83

charlesmfrench - Solo O/S - 26/Jun/83

Hammy - AltLd - 19/Apr/79 with Jonathon Stacey

mikej - AltLd - 01/Aug/77 with Mike Byles

Hidden - Lead - 1976

Nigel Bond - Lead - 31/Mar/74 with Dave Jolliffe

Hidden - Jun/73

Rog Wilko - Lead - Feb/71 with Debbie Wilkinson

bit of an epic!
rob from scotland - Lead - 1970

'Top quite difficult'
Gordon Stainforth - AltLd - 02/Aug/68 with John Stainforth

David Smith - Solo - 1967

auldscotal - AltLd O/S - 1965 with John Jones

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VS0 of 16
easy VS1 of 16
hard HS2 of 16
HS0 of 16
easy HS9 of 16
hard S0 of 16
S3 of 16
easy S0 of 16
hard 4c1 of 4
4c0 of 4
easy 4c0 of 4
hard 4b3 of 4
4b0 of 4
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easy 4a0 of 4
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Style of ascent

Soloed6 of 224 (2.7%)
Lead62 of 224 (27.7%)
Followed39 of 224 (17.4%)
Alt Leads77 of 224 (34.4%)
Unknown40 of 224 (17.9%)

'Climbed'133 of 224 (59.4%)
clean O/S83 of 224 (37.1%)
clean rpt3 of 224 (1.3%)
dogged5 of 224 (2.2%)