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[Helen at top of crux pitch, 2 kb]One of the great Welsh mountain routes which takes a superb line across the buttress, finishing in a great position on the upper 'outside edge'. Start below a block roughly in the centre of the face. 1) 18m. Climb rightwards up a groove below the block. Move right around it and up to a stance 2) 25m. Climb up to a ledge then make a rising traverse up left to the arete. Climb this to a ledge and belays. 3) 18m. Move up onto Sunset Ledge then walk left for 6m and belay on the left side of the ledge. 4) 15m. Make as tricky traverse left around some ribs to gain a groove. Climb this to a ledge and belay. 5) 25m. Climb up and left to a corner-crack. Follow this (the crux, maybe a move of 4a) to the crest and a belay ledge. 6) 35m. Follow the ridge more easily from here to the top. © ROCKFAX

Ticklists: Classic Rock Climbs of Great Britain by Bill Birkett, North Wales Rock Graded List.

Photo: Helen at top of crux pitch © Steve Woollard
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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 239 logbooks, and on 65 wishlists.

Peter Metcalfe - AltLd - 19/May/13 with Cath Sullivan

RCrockford - AltLd O/S - 06/May/13 with Ste M

stemill - AltLd - 06/May/13 with Richard

Hidden - AltLd dnf - 27/Apr/13

A bad start to a horrendous day! First pitch was fine but a loose rock provided the only bit of protection for a move on second pitch. Abseiled down feeling a bit grim!
RikPotts - AltLd dnf - 27/Apr/13 with wolfy1987

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 18/Nov/12

Alan James - UKC and UKH - Lead - 22/Sep/12 with Sam James

auld al - AltLd O/S - 05/Sep/12

Cc odd pitches, tb even. Good fun climb, but pretty windy and a bit cold! Very atmospheric, with the cloud rolling down off the top, and then climbing up into the cloud itself. Done with packs for the sensible walk down.
birthers - AltLd O/S - 01/Sep/12 with Caroline C

caroline256 - AltLd O/S - 01/Sep/12 with Tom B

Stunning positions
Tom Hecht - AltLd O/S - 26/Aug/12 with Lotte Stuer

What a great route! Led P1,3 & 5. Awesome positions
Submit to Gravity - AltLd O/S - 11/Aug/12 with Phil Lucas

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 11/Aug/12

Led P1, 3, 4 and 5. P5 (crux) is 4a. Absolutely superb route.
CathS - AltLd rpt - 11/Aug/12 with Vicky Lisle

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 11/Aug/12

really sunny day lead the 2nd and last pitch
Vicky L - AltLd O/S - 11/Aug/12 with Cath S

Marti999 - AltLd O/S - 11/Aug/12 with Debbie

Tiinster - 11/Aug/12 with Lee

mrchewy - AltLd - 04/Aug/12

First pitch in pouring rain, second pitch wet, gradually drier pitches after that.
iceaxejuggler - AltLd O/S - 04/Aug/12 with Tim McDonald

Climbed in the rain... lots of rain...
tim_mcd - AltLd O/S - 04/Aug/12

Sure there would have been a great view if we could have seen more than 3 foot in front of our faces.
ollie1 - Lead O/S - 08/Jul/12

broc - Lead O/S - Jun/12 with Sarah

Good atmospheric route protected by nuts and slings. Descent is awful loose rock, I suggest you take your packs up and walk out from the top.
Goody - Lead O/S - 23/May/12 with Suzie Hughes

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 19/May/12

lou_p - AltLd - 19/May/12 with Tom

cjohn62 - AltLd - 12/May/12 with andy

Took the higher first stance, tricky getting to it in big boots, handy flake seemed a bit loose! Awesome positions for the grade, a fine day out. Snowed graupel on us while leaving Sunset Ledge but then sun came back out.
Duncan Beard - AltLd O/S - 06/May/12 with Pip McCarthy

Loved it. Great exposure. Cold - didn't bring warm enough gear and it even snowed!? P5 was harder than I expected but fun.
DaveMo - AltLd O/S - 15/Apr/12 with Ben Prince

Finally! After wanting to do this route for years. Great setting. Impressive ground covered for a V.Diff
tom bre - AltLd O/S - 01/Apr/12 with Paul Deane

xusa - 2nd O/S - 28/Mar/12 with Gareth Borthwick

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 25/Mar/12

Harri777 - AltLd - 24/Mar/12 with Toby Knight

gravity - AltLd O/S - 24/Mar/12 with Harriet Kirk

BJP001 - AltLd O/S - 13/Mar/12 with david mohamad

alan moore - 2012

Hidden - 2012

climbed with Dennis From JSMTC (I) and Kyle Smith. On Joint service Rock Climbing Foundation Course. Day 02. Fist Outdoor climb of the course. Inst - dennis
ClimberChes - 2nd O/S - 22/Nov/11

Good route and good to climb with Bob again.
Mickdenali - AltLd O/S - 01/Oct/11 with Bob Macleod

Zoomer - AltLd - 24/Jul/11 with Julia Bloomer

Jules 210681 - AltLd - 24/Jul/11 with glenn bloomer

Steve Woollard - AltLd - 23/Jul/11 with Kevin Colclough

Hidden - AltLd - 23/Jul/11

kristinawe - AltLd - 12/Jul/11

Hidden - AltLd - 03/Jul/11

Hidden - AltLd - 02/Jul/11

I led 3rd and 5th pitches
ayuplass - AltLd O/S - 02/Jul/11 with Fred

Gazlynn - AltLd - 02/Jul/11 with Stuart

scree - 02/Jul/11 with Gareth Lynn

In big boots, superb route at the grade.
Sankey - 19/Jun/11 with Jon and Ed

Big boot joy!
jshields - AltLd - 19/Jun/11 with Ed James, Steve Ebbens

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 01/May/11

The Blue Bucket - Lead - May/11

idiotproof (Buxton MC) - May/11

jubolo - Lead rpt - 30/Apr/11 with craig

Fantastic route. First multi-pitch climb. Lead pitches 2/5 and half of 6th over more easy ground.
ian2707 - AltLd - 30/Apr/11

Fantastic Route. Good rock and lots of exposure.Don't rush to start as the sun only gets onto the rock around 10am.
Stephanie R - Lead - 23/Apr/11 with Tony Moore

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 22/Apr/11

Led P1,3,5. A great route on a glorious sunny day!
Monkey_Alan - AltLd O/S - 22/Apr/11 with Paul Jackson

Sweet climb in a very atmospheric location. A few dubious gear placements though.....
eugeneth - AltLd O/S - 09/Apr/11 with Alex Raven

ended up on kirkus route and had to lower second off as she couldnt get to me.
Jayne Jackson - Lead dnf - 09/Apr/11 with Cairis Hickey

sylwia - AltLd - 09/Apr/11

Mistakenly ran a couple of pitches together, one of which caused a bit of rope drag.
ravensoc - AltLd O/S - 09/Apr/11 with Saffra Wright

Jayboy - AltLd - 06/Mar/11 with Tom Dicks

Led P1-P3. Steve led the top 3. Great climbing all the way although Pitch 5 pretty awkward.
Different Steve - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/11 with Carol Fowles, Steve Gray

Lovely climbing - Ani's first multi-pitch. Chilly feet but amazing views!
prinny - Lead O/S - 29/Jan/11 with Ani

Hidden - 2011

Rory Shaw - 2011

Neil Henson - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Retreated from first belay due to bad weather.
hcooper - Lead dnf - 23/Oct/10 with Jennifer Slack

marc1967 - AltLd O/S - 12/Oct/10 with Steve Keys

The traverse felt bold early on. The pitch above the terrace, to the left of the grass filled pocket felt hard for the grade. Final corner pitch was reassuringly easy, though awkward to get to.
Lawrence Eccles - Solo O/S - 21/Sep/10

iwanap - AltLd O/S - 19/Sep/10 with Gerwyn

jockontherock - 30/Aug/10

2,4,5
alisonk - AltLd O/S - 22/Aug/10 with Dave

davidk - AltLd - 22/Aug/10 with alison

climbing_wiggy - AltLd O/S - Aug/10 with Carrie, Richie

Big boots. Covers some good ground for the grade. Good for big boot climbing, very edgy.
HIGHTOWER - AltLd O/S - 17/Jul/10 with Pete Williams

LiamAD - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/10 with Jonathan Knowles

last two pitches of ordinary to dodge trafic
davidwright - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/10 with Joe Cohen

nealepj - Lead O/S - 19/Jun/10 with Andy Gill

Hidden - AltLd - 05/Jun/10

Climbed in alpine style with big boots and sack as part of a circuit. Good climb in awesome location and great exposure. A bit tough in a couple of places with the boots - they don't smear so well :-) Lower sction has quite a bit of loose rock making protection rather thin.
jandyd05 - Lead O/S - 23/May/10 with Julie Anglesea

Hidden - 2nd - 23/May/10

Hidden - Lead - 22/May/10

Hidden - AltLd - 06/May/10

Graeme Hammond - Lead O/S - 03/May/10 with Pete aka Dad

Probably the coldest belay I've ever had to endure, a cracking day out though, best climbing on the 2nd pitch and the chimney pitch
jubolo - AltLd - 02/May/10 with mark

Moved together on it. Great route
Jim Walton - AltLd O/S - 11/Apr/10 with Dan Matthewman

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 11/Apr/10

Matt10 - 2nd - 10/Apr/10 with ldadams

Hidden - AltLd - 08/Apr/10

andymil13 - 2nd rpt - Apr/10

Hidden - 2010

Ken Taylor - 2010

moz - 2nd - 2010 with Chris

Ewan Russell - Lead O/S - 2010 with rostam

willson - AltLd - 04/Oct/09 with Ali H

led pitches 1, 3 and 5.
Ali H - AltLd - 04/Oct/09 with Willson

Found the top corner pitch quite hard for the grade - would have given it 4a
Tom Hutton - AltLd - 20/Sep/09 with steph

Great climb, and brilliant exposure, on a true mountaineering day
Clogwyn y Gwin - 2nd O/S - 18/Sep/09 with M .S.

Hidden - AltLd - 13/Sep/09

Sardien - 2nd O/S - 13/Sep/09 with Rhodri Morgan, Simon Moore

Lovely sunny day, 2nded first pitch in wolly gloves, boiled eggs on sunset ledge, what a view! Another walk back in the dark.
Monkeymorgan - AltLd O/S - 13/Sep/09 with Simon Moore, Serinde

jsw1 - AltLd O/S - 22/Aug/09 with David Medcalf, Cathy Woodhead

Nostalgic return after 39 years
rogerskews - AltLd - Aug/09 with Martin Coward

Lead all pitches. Really classic climb, easy moves but with awesome exposure.
riven - Lead O/S - 13/Jun/09 with Elsie, Megan

probably best done in big boots at the edges are good - did it in approach shoes which is fine - never sure how far to move left on second pitch always feel as if i'm hitting the diff sooner than should do
bob johnson - Lead O/S - 12/Jun/09 with Mitch + Sally

Calder - AltLd O/S - 30/May/09 with Andy G

unfit - Lead - 30/May/09 with John and Jen

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 30/May/09

Nicholas Livesey - AltLd - 02/May/09 with Peter Machin

texuspete - AltLd O/S - 02/May/09 with Nicholas Livesey

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 02/May/09

Graham Westbrook - AltLd - May/09

mjackson - AltLd - May/09

Excellent route, feels very remote, but peaceful. Led pitches 1-3 upto sunset ledge as one, then moved together on pitch 3. Up to sunset ledge your route finding is put to test, and there's no polish to guide the way! There was also a fair bit of loose rock and not overly abundant protection on fairly steep but easy climbing. I also thought pitch 5 up the open corner was quite tough for VDiff. And those belay ledges are sensational aslong as you don't mind a bit of exposure.
asmith37 - Lead O/S - 26/Apr/09 with Bex Leigh

Keith Jones - AltLd - 18/Apr/09 with ali, David

TGreen - AltLd O/S - 02/Apr/09 with Martin G

with nicola hirst
spoony84 - Lead - 2009

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/Sep/08

Hidden - AltLd - 21/Sep/08

bridget143 - Lead O/S - 20/Sep/08 with Kate Warden

Hidden - 2nd - Sep/08

Lead pitch 2 and 4
alwyn101 - AltLd O/S - 27/Jul/08 with Dilwyn Jones

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/Jul/08

centurion05 - AltLd O/S - 23/Jul/08 with rusty

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Jul/08

Dilwat - Lead O/S - 11/Jun/08 with Bart

Led pitches 1-3 (as one) & 6.
bullwinkle - AltLd O/S - 07/Jun/08 with Jamie

Clucky - AltLd O/S - 31/May/08 with Drew Withey

adam06 - AltLd - 18/May/08 with Hilary Theaker

hils theaker - AltLd - 18/May/08 with Adam

one of the best places ive climbed, middle of fucking nowhere, love it
Steve Vincent - AltLd - 14/May/08 with David Robinson

nickwhimster - Lead O/S - May/08 with Brian Cox

David Robinson - AltLd - May/08

Sean Kelly - 2008

eddiejames_uk - 2008 with Jon Shields

liam - AltLd O/S - Dec/07 with JP

highflyeraj - AltLd O/S - 14/Oct/07 with Robin

Excellent route, mainly for the isolation. Saw one other person all day at a great distance. Varied climbing in some great positions, would be better if more pitches could be run together.
Eric the Red - Lead O/S - 01/Sep/07 with Rachel Scott

Hidden - AltLd - 27/Aug/07

Off route up to Sunset ledge.
Joss - Lead O/S - 08/Jul/07 with Rod Lloyd Jones

First three pitches. Rain moved in, so moved to the Diff. Must go back. Brilliant route.
kleinej - Lead dnf - 23/Jun/07 with Loic

emlynroberts - Lead - 02/Jun/07 with Si Creer

a_d_tru - AltLd - 26/May/07 with Graham, Chris W

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Apr/07

Hidden - Lead O/S - Apr/07

Dux - Lead O/S - Apr/07 with Premal

zach.stone - 2nd O/S - 28/Feb/07 with Jamie Furniss

Allan Young - AltLd O/S - 16/Sep/06 with Steve Turner

Rampikino - AltLd - 16/Sep/06 with Cat

Hidden - AltLd - 09/Sep/06

Classic line, good day
KeithW - AltLd O/S - 23/Jul/06 with Bruce

Great setting! Climbing itself wasn't overly amazing - but the lonely, foreboding cwm more than made up for it. Nearly benighted - made a mad-dash for the car after dusk fell since the place seemed a bit too atmospheric!!
Jenn - AltLd O/S - 29/Jun/06 with TRNovice

TRNovice - AltLd O/S - 29/Jun/06 with Jenn

Simon K - 2nd - 04/Jun/06 with PR,JB

Petar led the first pitch, I led the second to the sunset ledge, Pete led the third. Really nice route with some good positions.
rob wmc - AltLd O/S - 03/Jun/06 with Pete & Petar

sammoore - AltLd O/S - 26/Apr/06 with Adam Harmer, Rhiannon Jones

Ian McNeill - 2006

Cornish Merlin - AltLd - Sep/05 with Ben Collins

FrankW - Lead O/S - 27/Aug/05 with Laura

C,S,C,S,C,S
Toreador - AltLd rpt - 06/Aug/05 with Carmen

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 09/Jul/05

Rachael Barlow - 18/Jun/05 with Pete Robins

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2005

Tarquin - 2005

A great route. Gets my vote as best VDiff in North Wales. Only one other party on the whole crag, despite it being a sunny bank holiday, and lovely un-polished rock. Corner pitch near the top felt like a good Severe!
CathS - AltLd O/S - 30/Aug/04 with Roger Dyke

Hidden - Lead - 06/Jun/04

Hidden - AltLd - 23/May/04

Hidden - AltLd - 19/Sep/02

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 06/Aug/02

lithos - Lead - May/02

A fine outing
Neil Henson - AltLd - 2002 with Mark Collins

Ann S - AltLd - 2002 with Bill Harrison

Mark Collins - Lead O/S - 2002 with Neil Henson

Hidden - AltLd - 2001

chrishedgehog - AltLd O/S - 05/Sep/00 with Dan Bailey

Nigel R Lewis - Lead - 20/Aug/00 with Lisa Lewis

The Pylon King - AltLd O/S - Aug/00 with Laura

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Jul/00

Super hot and sunny day.
TobyA - Lead O/S - 18/Jun/00 with Elina

marcoleptic - Lead O/S - 2000 with Gibbon Bum

zero six - Lead O/S - 2000

Retreat due to poor weather
timreynolds - 2nd - 12/Jun/99 with John Burnip

Tarquin - 1999

WB - Solo O/S - 08/Sep/98 with Paul

Mark Riley - AltLd O/S - Aug/98 with Milly

barney@helmshore - AltLd - 20/Jun/98 with mike w

Dave Toseland - Lead O/S - 1998 with Huw

five - AltLd O/S - Jan/97 with JR

Brian Rodgers - AltLd O/S - 1997 with Roisin Rodgers, Dave Oldacres

J R R Hartley - AltLd O/S - 21/Sep/96 with Tim Horsfall

Hidden - AltLd - 05/Jul/96

Hidden - 05/Jul/96

Ian Robertson - Lead - 16/Oct/95 with Krystina Lotoczko

Continued on to the summit
Chris the Tall - Lead O/S - Aug/95 with Liz

IggyLiz - 2nd - Aug/95 with Chris

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 01/Jul/95

colin milton - AltLd - 09/Jun/95 with eric milton

A classic climb on a lovely sunny spring Saturday. When we returned to the car, a number of other cars parked nearby had been broken in to. Worth leaving things outof sight if you're parking there.
Tony Buckley - AltLd - May/95 with Tony Jinks

Rog Wilko - 2nd - May/95 with Debbie Wilkinson

Hidden - AltLd - 14/Apr/95

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 14/Aug/93

Andy Say - Solo - 13/Jun/93

sims - 2nd O/S - 1993 with Nick

jim_randell - Lead O/S - 10/Oct/92 with WW

Done on a very misty day
Ian Archer - AltLd O/S - 05/Jul/91 with Robert Mirfin

Julian Wedd - 1991 with A. Brierley

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 17/Sep/90

babymoac - AltLd - 06/May/90 with MTW

alan moore - 1990

alan moore - 1990

bullybones - 1990

Snow showers halfway up.
Iain Thow - Lead - 28/Oct/88 with Gary (Plas y Nant)

nigehughes - AltLd - Aug/88 with Paul Duckworth

JamieAyres - Lead O/S - Jun/88 with Jude Ayres

Hidden - Lead - 31/Oct/87

hazeysunshine - AltLd O/S - Jun/86

charlesmfrench - Solo O/S - 02/Jul/84 with DAVID SMITH

David Smith - Solo - Apr/84 with Al Bennett

Mark Kemball - AltLd - 30/Jan/82 with Pete Faulkner, Sarah Bridge

Hidden - Lead O/S - Mar/81

In pumps, very cold and an epic descent as it got dark. Character building!
Ena - AltLd - 31/Dec/80 with Martin Trouse

JohnHutch - AltLd - Oct/78 with BA

RichardMc - Solo - 27/May/78 with Dave Langmead

Rog Wilko - Lead - May/78 with Debbie Wilkinson

Falko - Solo O/S - 27/Jun/77 with Howard Lancashire, Al W.

Falko - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/76 with Al W.

beaumap - 2nd - Apr/76 with Fred Smith

granitbahn - AltLd - 1975

Hidden - Lead - 09/Apr/74

Nigel Bond - Lead - 09/Sep/73 with Bob Panther

Howard J - AltLd - 1973 with Reading University MC

rogerskews - AltLd - Jun/70 with CMC Members

Gordon Stainforth - AltLd - 25/May/69 with John Stainforth

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Style of ascent

Soloed7 of 239 (2.9%)
Lead50 of 239 (20.9%)
Followed18 of 239 (7.5%)
Alt Leads138 of 239 (57.7%)
Unknown26 of 239 (10.9%)

'Climbed'115 of 239 (48.1%)
clean O/S112 of 239 (46.9%)
clean rpt7 of 239 (2.9%)
dnf5 of 239 (2.1%)