Bramble Whine* VS 4c
[fairy cave, 3 kb]45m. P1 30m 4b. Right side of Withy Crack slab, below the lowest tongue of rock. Follow the line of saplings to belay on a hawthorn on the upper slab. P2 15m 4c. Climb up left to reach cracks in the steepening headwall; then climb the leftmost of these to the top.
M Raine, P Clarke 10/Apr/2002

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To wet to get from ledge at the end of pitch 1 into the crack on pitch 2. Wet leaves made for a fun and interesting battle against the smooth headwall below the crack. Not too upset off as I have done it twice before.
David Staples - Lead dnf - 25/Oct/14 with James Richards

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 12/Oct/14

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 12/Oct/14

Scuzlebut - AltLd O/S - 28/Sep/14 with Dalinda, Gregor

Echna - AltLd O/S - 28/Sep/14 with Dalinda, Rich

Hidden - Lead O/S - 20/Sep/14

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 17/Sep/14

P1
Wendy Watthews - AltLd O/S - 14/Sep/14 with arandall

arandall - AltLd O/S - 14/Sep/14 with Wendy Matthews

Ian JL - Solo O/S - 07/Sep/14

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 03/Sep/14

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 20/Aug/14

Steve Woollard - AltLd - 20/Aug/14 with Samantha Roach

rhys.nadin - 2nd O/S - 16/Aug/14 with Richard Nadin

Tom F Harding - Lead O/S - 27/Jul/14 with Steve Bartle

Steve Bartle - 2nd - 27/Jul/14 with Tom F Harding

Lead 1st pitch. Sue lead the more interesting 2nd pitch
darren hudson - AltLd O/S - 26/May/14 with Sue

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/May/14

Did the first pitch of hillwithy connection. Worst pitch ever, fight with a bramble bush. Really cool top pitch!
felixizzy - Lead rpt - 22/May/14 with Craig

Took first pitch. Repeat for lead of second pitch
marsden.d.paul - AltLd O/S - 18/May/14

markfromstoke - Lead - 21/Apr/14 with Ian

joeurwin - 2nd rpt - 29/Mar/14 with Sam Robinson

Ran as one pitch, no rope drag issues just some very suspect rock on p1.
afrosam - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/14

David Staples - AltLd O/S - 2014

Luke Davies - Lead - 06/Oct/13

Left wire in crack after trying for twenty mins to get it out! Nice moves at the top.
Felix Ottey - Lead O/S - 24/Aug/13

With bold first pitch of Four Paw Drive, variation probably worth HVS 4c.
The Ivanator - 2nd rpt - 04/Aug/13 with Roger

weather forced this option.
riddle - Lead O/S - 04/Aug/13 with Ivan B

just one more - Lead O/S - 24/Jul/13 with tim b

Hidden - AltLd - 22/Jul/13

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 22/Jul/13

MoWalker3 - 17/Jul/13 with Cormac

Led top pitch.... Fantastic moves!!! Shame the bottom is so crap! Super easy for VS more like HS.
Felix Ottey - AltLd O/S - 23/Jun/13

BALD EAGLE - AltLd - 19/Jun/13 with Sarah Flint

fishinwater - Lead - 19/Jun/13 with Bald eagle

tp45597 - AltLd rpt - 02/Jun/13 with ernest

Nice top half
Cheese Monkey - 2nd O/S - 18/May/13 with Peter

Second pitch is really good (we did the climb in just one pitch, which is easily possible).
pheotleyr - Lead O/S - 18/May/13 with Ben

will909 - Lead O/S - 14/Nov/12

kirky_p - 2nd - 14/Nov/12

mullermn - 2nd O/S - 26/Aug/12 with Monkey

Done in one pitch, which created enough drag to lift out some of my gear towards the top (for added spice). Very nice climbing on the headwall, although I am not convinced I followed the correct line. I assumed the top belay was the ash tree - I only noticed the hawthorn off to the right when I was at the top - and I had to climb rightwards up a slab to the start of a diagonal crack all the way to get to the obvious vertical crack. Some of the blocks in the top crack are not particularly permanent - I could feel the crag below my feet vibrate when my second was taking out gear several metres below!
Monk - Lead O/S - 26/Aug/12 with Mullermn

carl_123 - Lead O/S - 23/Aug/12

2 pitches to reduce rope drag
jamespilgrim - Lead O/S - 18/Aug/12 with Mark

In one long pitch in fading light. Toad in upper crack!
The Pylon King - Lead rpt - 12/Aug/12 with Rob and Jack

Was getting dark and Rob said he would give me 10 if I was able to second this in under 4 minutes so after a ready set go I was off, unfortunately my speed attempt was stopped after reaching a stuck wire at 2/3 height.
Quarryboy - 2nd O/S - 12/Aug/12 with Rob Stanfield, Mark Davies

paulerussell - 2nd O/S - 09/Aug/12 with Chris Poad

lukerathmell - Lead O/S - Aug/12 with Rachel Bennett

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Jun/12

i did the 1st pitch
tp45597 - AltLd rpt - 28/Jun/12 with niels

Led top bit this time. Not 4c - 4b? Route barely scrapes VS IMO.
Phil Murray - AltLd rpt - 18/Jun/12 with Liz

Hidden - AltLd - 29/May/12

Hidden - AltLd - 29/May/12

Nigel Coe - AltLd - 27/May/12 with Norman Wright

Hidden - Lead - 23/May/12

i led pitch 2 with dave
tp45597 - AltLd O/S - 23/May/12 with dave

This felt more like VS,4c. The top section is not that difficult, it's short lived, and with bomber gear placements.
Big Lee - AltLd O/S - 20/May/12 with Laurence King

Steve Woollard - AltLd - 15/Apr/12 with Joe Bellows

Hidden - AltLd - 15/Apr/12

wurzelinzummerset - 2nd - 28/Mar/12 with Andy

bpmclimb - Lead rpt - 26/Mar/12 with Alan

wurzelinzummerset - 2nd - 26/Mar/12 with Brian

Led P2. Overgraded at HVS, more like VS 4c.
Will Gordon - AltLd O/S - 02/Mar/12 with Geoff Burton

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 02/Mar/12

Marti999 - Lead O/S - 06/Jan/12 with rich fox

el_monty - 2nd β - 06/Jan/12 with marti

Hidden - Lead - 02/Oct/11

gilmourheid - 2nd - 02/Oct/11 with Steve27

cas smerdon - AltLd - 21/Sep/11 with mark joyce

Led as one pitch. Loose rock in the first half, watch out. The headwall was fun to climb, but yes its well protected and soft for the grade.
Poco Loco - Lead O/S - 03/Sep/11 with Dean

Deano100 - 2nd - 03/Sep/11 with James

RossT - 2nd - 14/Aug/11 with Reg

crossdressingrodney - AltLd O/S - 10/Jul/11 with victim of mathematics

Led P1, which was a bit loose and flaky. P2 is short, but well positioned and with a few nice moves. Probably easier than Rob's Crack.
victim of mathematics - AltLd O/S - 10/Jul/11 with crossdressingrodney

Nice top pitch. I have either suddenly become a better climber or this is a very soft touch HVS!
Bobling - AltLd - 21/May/11 with Rob H, Dave L

BALD EAGLE - AltLd - 21/May/11 with Rob Horler, Rob Duerr

Roped solo. Felt like HS 4a,4b. Good route though.
Dave Ing - Lead O/S - 02/May/11

Guidebook heights ok. VS, p1 4b, p2 4c
bpmclimb - Lead rpt - 27/Apr/11 with Clare

Hidden - AltLd - 26/Apr/11

done as one pitch
Alasdair88 - 2nd O/S - 21/Mar/11 with Joe Urwin

joeurwin - Lead O/S - 21/Mar/11 with al franks

Done in 1 pitch
nick hawkins - Lead O/S - 11/Mar/11 with Jez

Top the best bit.
jezb1 - 2nd - 11/Mar/11

HVS 1. 4b- 30m 2. 5a- 15m Alternate LP Good climb Avon and Cheddar
Matt Smyth - AltLd O/S - 16/Oct/10 with Olly Pirkis

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 16/Oct/10

Gibbo - AltLd O/S - 26/Sep/10 with Tom Gibbison

I led pitch 2, short-lived but good steep finish, probably only VS though.
The Ivanator - AltLd O/S - 19/Sep/10 with Rich

Rich God 3 - AltLd - 19/Sep/10 with The Ivanator

Nice slabby woodland up to the steeper headwall - comfortable......
davenev - Lead O/S - 04/Sep/10 with luke

Mr Tickle - 2nd O/S - 04/Sep/10

Nice steepening crack at top but very short lived. Loose first pitch with a bunny or weasel hole halfway up.
Jon Didymus - 2nd O/S - 13/Aug/10 with Nick

Richard Fox - Lead O/S - 08/Aug/10 with Rob hand

In one pitch
bpmclimb - Lead rpt - 05/Aug/10 with Clare

tobydunford - Lead O/S - 18/Jul/09 with Ben Smith

cas smerdon - 2nd - 01/Jul/09 with trevor and chris

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 01/Jul/09

upontop - Lead O/S - 11/Jun/09 with Chris

AlexD - Lead O/S - 13/Apr/09 with joeurwin

joeurwin - AltLd O/S - 13/Apr/09 with alex

mol - 2nd - 05/Apr/09 with Jesse

Jesse Dufton - Lead - 05/Apr/09 with Molly Thompson

easy vs
MarkRyder - Lead O/S - 15/Mar/09 with James P

jamespilgrim - 2nd O/S - 15/Mar/09 with Mark

Hidden - Lead O/S - 11/Oct/08

How does this get an HVS grade? Easy slab past the trees is S at best, only the short upper wall presents a challenge, and it's very well protected, very short, impossible to go off route, at best three or four moves and you're there. Compared with HVSs like Desecrator and Hell Gates at Avon and Thor at Cheddar this one probably barely merits an HS.
Humpty Dangler - Lead O/S - 27/Jul/08 with Alan Howells

Hidden - AltLd - 23/Jun/08

Hidden - AltLd - 23/Jun/08

Hidden - Lead - 13/May/08

Very easy for grade. All difficulties in last 10 feet.
jon bradley - Lead O/S - 07/May/08 with Matt Pearcey

ian d f - Lead - 2008

Richard Fox - AltLd O/S - 15/Sep/07 with Kevin VC

The easiest HVS in the world. Go get that tick!
simonw1 - Lead O/S - 08/Jul/07 with Ginger Pete

JimR - AltLd - Jul/07 with AJM

Hidden - Lead O/S - 18/Jun/07

cas smerdon - 2nd - 18/Jun/07 with Ian Jones

gringoloco - Lead rpt - 2007 with Colin Charles

Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Nov/06

Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Nov/06

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 05/Sep/06

Phil Murray - AltLd O/S - 08/Jul/06 with Steve Wright

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 29/Jun/06

More like a VS. Clare did pitch 1.
bpmclimb - AltLd O/S - 11/May/06 with Clare

mike kann - Lead O/S - 2006 with Steve Corner (SC)

gaz.marshall - Lead O/S - 2006

The Pylon King - Lead O/S - Jun/04 with David Elder

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 2004

timstyles - 2nd - 2004

MikeC59 - Lead RP - 22/Aug/03

Digger - 2nd O/S - 05/May/03 with James Latham

Digger - 2nd O/S - 05/May/03 with James Latham

cornishben - AltLd O/S - Jan/03 with Ed Vincent

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