2nd, 3rd and 4th ascents tonight. I would say E3 5c/6a, but Martin says it is a grade harder than Pach. Perhaps Pach is E2 and this is E3, perhaps Pach is E3 and this is E4, perhaps they are both E3. I dont dont. Richard Hall - Lead β - 09/Jun/11 with Martin Crocker, Gaz