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N. MacNiven 1960

Ticklists: 100 More Classic British VS Climbs.

Paul Roberts 08/Oct Lead O/S

Lovely route! No issues with the initial crux but struggled further up due to slippy footing greasy cracks.

ModerateMatt 08/Oct 2nd O/S
David Woods 03/Oct 2nd rpt
with David Lily
MikwWebster 02/Oct 2nd O/S
with Ian
CurlyStevo ?/Oct Lead

Very nice route. Didn't find it pumpy at all, I thought the slabby corner with the peg low down was the crux. Avoided laybacking on the higher crux, bridged up to the good holds.

samdickensuk 26/Sep 2nd O/S
JoeDickens 26/Sep Lead O/S
with Samuel
Hidden 20/Sep 2nd
Hidden 20/Sep Lead O/S
tbmcbrid 16/Sep Lead O/S

Climbed with Megan Minor. Awesome Climb!! for such a popular route, minimal polish and great holds and pro the entire way up. There were two cams jammed into the crag!

peterjph 16/Sep Lead β

flashed on second attempt (six months after first). Pumpy but took tactical rests and knew about the good holds

with Kate ?
Mackinclimb 11/Aug Lead
Fiona Reid 09/Aug 2nd
with Mike
Mike-W-99 09/Aug Lead rpt
with Fiona
carr0t 08/Aug -
Hidden 07/Aug Lead O/S
Hidden 30/Jul -
Hidden 30/Jul 2nd rpt
Hidden 30/Jul 2nd
peterjph 08/Jul Lead dnf

placed 12 quickdraws and gave up, with one hard move to go. grey standard nut for killer move left behind, and a red offset below also left. next time take 15 'draws and loads of nuts.

with Simon Wells Cole
MightyStew 02/Jul 2nd O/S
vanderz 22/Jun Lead O/S
with Conner O Grady
grady_9 22/Jun 2nd
with Chris V
Hidden 20/Jun Lead O/S
Steve Perry 17/Jun Lead O/S

Better than The Groove, both 3***

Stuart Macfarlane 07/Jun 2nd
with Jeanie
Samantha Dickson 29/May Lead O/S
Barry Harper 26/May Lead O/S

Amazing route! Fantastic climbing from start to finish.

Hidden 22/May Lead
Cerris90 22/May Lead O/S

Got drawn into the corner have a conversation with myself to get out of it and make the next move on a dubious hollow crimp. Amazing to get to the top of this. Don't know about the grade though.

with ben
Hidden 22/May 2nd
fweatherall1 20/May 2nd
mikewilson789 08/May 2nd O/S
with Andy Woolston
Hidden 04/May -
Hidden 19/Apr Lead
EmmaAtkinson 10/Apr 2nd
with Rory Brown
mishabruml 06/Apr Lead O/S

beautiful sunshine. pretty tough little crux coming out of the corner, was getting pumped arms and legs! almost fell. my feet were killing me, 7th day climbing on the trot...

MReeves 06/Apr 2nd
Victor Ivanov 04/Apr Lead rpt
with Alex Micas
Hidden ?/Apr -
fweatherall1 ??/2015 2nd
centurion05 ??/2015 Lead O/S

Great climbing, awesome gear.

with Mike, Yvonne
matthew885 ??/2015 Lead
Hidden 20/Sep/14 2nd rpt
herrettscott 20/Sep/14 Lead O/S
with JP
JonnoP 18/Sep/14 2nd rpt
with Scott
Shed 11/Sep/14 Lead O/S
Hidden 27/Aug/14 Lead
Hidden 16/Aug/14 2nd
Hidden 15/Aug/14 2nd rpt
Liam Ingram 08/Aug/14 2nd O/S
The Big Sender 08/Aug/14 2nd O/S
catrin289 08/Aug/14 Lead O/S
Hidden 29/Jul/14 Lead O/S
dmacmorris 29/Jul/14 2nd O/S

Just as good as the groove with an awesome crux.

David Woods 25/Jul/14 Lead
with Louise Kernaghan, Euan Maharg
Manix 25/Jul/14 2nd
with Alan Verona
sebbi30 24/Jul/14 Lead O/S
Hidden 01/Jul/14 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Jul/14 Lead
madeleine 24/Jun/14 Lead rpt
with Ry
Hidden 17/Jun/14 Lead O/S
malone 17/Jun/14 2nd O/S
Hamfunk 06/Jun/14 2nd O/S
with Keith
Victor Ivanov 18/May/14 Lead O/S
with Nikolay Pulev
jasthefras 08/May/14 2nd dog

Awkward start then difficulty getting over small roof - needed to rest on gear and back track a little

Michael.paparakis 08/May/14 2nd dog

Single fall, moving left too soon out of the corner.

gjd 18/Apr/14 2nd O/S
with Sam Burns
Lawrie Brand 15/Apr/14 Lead rpt
with Robin
Hidden 12/Apr/14 2nd O/S
Brian Pollock 12/Apr/14 Lead O/S
with Stewart
stewart100 12/Apr/14 2nd O/S
with Brian Pollock
ClareM.123 26/Mar/14 2nd
with Tim Hamlet
SGD 15/Mar/14 Lead O/S

Quite stiff, very good

with Jonathan
alistairmontgomery ??/2014 -
el diablo 29/Sep/13 Lead
with Nick Bowen
Hidden 29/Sep/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 21/Sep/13 Lead O/S
planetmarshall 14/Sep/13 Lead O/S

Latter's guide is right - this is definitely the best of the variations.

with Ian Kinnell
Hidden 14/Sep/13 2nd
johannes 01/Sep/13 Lead rpt
abbeywall 25/Aug/13 Lead rpt
with Aga
a.m.k. 25/Aug/13 2nd
with Alison
Gabe Oliver 18/Aug/13 Lead O/S

fun interesting moves through the corner

sparbus 18/Aug/13 2nd
with dave porter
Hidden 18/Aug/13 Lead dog
olekemi 04/Aug/13 2nd O/S
with Simon T, Andy B
andybroadway 04/Aug/13 Lead O/S
John McKenna ?/Aug/13 Lead O/S
cat22 27/Jul/13 Lead rpt
with Hamish
Hidden 27/Jul/13 Lead O/S
ross brinson 14/Jul/13 Lead O/S
with Hannah Watson
Hidden 13/Jul/13 Lead O/S
sandynorval 12/Jul/13 2nd O/S
with Fraser
Koon 11/Jul/13 2nd O/S
ruaridhmac 03/Jul/13 2nd
aldo56 01/Jul/13 2nd β
with gsevan
gsevans 01/Jul/13 Lead O/S
with aldo56
jamesgr87 30/Jun/13 Lead O/S
with Tim
Hidden 29/Jun/13 Lead O/S
jaggy bunnet 27/Jun/13 Lead

very awkward move up and out of the top corner, great route tho.

skirton 19/Jun/13 Lead O/S

fantastic moves. crimpy pull up crux move

with Charlie Arnold
JonnoP 16/Jun/13 2nd O/S
with Rick H
Hidden 16/Jun/13 2nd O/S
noemie5438 09/Jun/13 2nd O/S
with Brian Shakleton, Amy Goodill
Hidden 08/Jun/13 -
Hidden 08/Jun/13 -
JosefGoeth 07/Jun/13 Lead
Mark Bull 05/Jun/13 2nd
with Mike
RocKalina 03/Jun/13 Lead O/S
with Andyclimb
barney_edin 26/May/13 2nd
with Mehmet
eve29 06/May/13 2nd

Hard but amazing to get up! Polished and a bit wet.

with Andy
centurion05 06/May/13 Lead
with Yvonne
libby.southgate 04/May/13 Lead O/S
with Hannah Gibbs
stephenmckenzie 27/Apr/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 27/Apr/13 2nd
Hidden 27/Apr/13 2nd
Davy B 20/Apr/13 Lead
arose 02/Jan/13 Lead

Pouring water down the rock but in the sun! Felt quite hard

Tightsgirl 02/Jan/13 2nd
with Giles Cranston, Ali Rose
Jacks20 ??/2013 2nd
with Al Brightman
SUColdo ??/2013 -
with Abe
dctarrant2000 11/Nov/12 Lead O/S
with Polly Tarrant
mike_tamanawis 07/Oct/12 Lead dog

Planned to climb the Groove, but stayed in the corner and took the direct finish up the Rut. Hardest moves right near the bottom and to pull out of the mini-roof at the top. Finger jams required. As a VS leader I found it a bit nails..

icedink 07/Oct/12 2nd dnf
ukinio 27/Sep/12 Lead O/S
jimontherocks 22/Sep/12 Lead β

Good climb but thought was harder than the groove. Both were VS.

with David Barclay
Hidden 15/Sep/12 2nd
Andy Hewison 15/Sep/12 2nd

Quite tough for grade, hard work

with Neale
Hidden 15/Sep/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 05/Sep/12 2nd
ClimbingGlen 20/Aug/12 Lead O/S

Hard Pumpy route!

victim of mathematics 18/Aug/12 Lead O/S

A bit damp, but still good.

James Oswald 18/Aug/12 2nd O/S

wet but good

with Colin Angus
markfairbank 12/Aug/12 Lead O/S
with Ray Sharples
Hidden 21/Jul/12 2nd O/S
yehti 17/Jul/12 2nd
with David Wallace
Nille 05/Jun/12 Lead O/S
SuperMike64 01/Jun/12 Lead β

seconded last year some remembered some of the holds

Killianmurphy 12/May/12 Lead O/S

Led this because I didn't traverse early enough to do the groove. It was an excellent route thoroughly enjoyed it once I had finished it excellent fun

with Trina B
Trina B 12/May/12 2nd dog

Couldn't do the direct finish, ended up traversng left and finishing as for the groove. lovely route though!

Jen Crook 02/May/12 Lead
with Adam Davis
Mhairi G 01/Apr/12 2nd O/S
with Patrick
Pat-H 01/Apr/12 Lead O/S
with mhairi
Tim_Gomersall ?/Apr/12 Lead
with McBain
tim newton 21/Mar/12 Lead O/S
with ross
Hidden 18/Mar/12 2nd
timcussins 18/Mar/12 Lead O/S
with ghr
kirigoss 18/Mar/12 2nd O/S
with Gabriel, Tim
radioshed 14/Mar/12 Lead O/S
with dave s
David Stevens 14/Mar/12 2nd O/S
with Matt Craig, Reuben Crook
oliverk 11/Mar/12 Lead
with Marty
Hidden 11/Mar/12 Lead O/S
grady_9 ?/Mar/12 2nd β

Classic route. Very polished start.

Stephi 25/Feb/12 Lead O/S

climbed in a baselayer in February! Sunny and warm...

with OwenF
OwenF 25/Feb/12 2nd
with Stephi
Alor_lab 25/Feb/12 Lead O/S

Awesome route! Enjoyed! The top bit is the hardest.

with Stephen Barrass
Freddie 1 24/Feb/12 2nd O/S

Plenty of polish throughout. Interesting moment when a chap fell of the E1 next to us and almost landed in my lap.

with Andyh83
Hidden 24/Feb/12 AltLd
adie84 ??/2012 -
Hidden ??/2012 -
Macleod 06/Nov/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 06/Nov/11 2nd
Hidden 30/Sep/11 2nd
jsrous 30/Sep/11 Lead O/S
with Hugh Maclaren
abbeywall 25/Sep/11 Lead

probably is the hardest of the three. Great fun . The moves from the overhanging crack look intimidating and it is airy but the holds are all there

with K
Hidden 25/Sep/11 Lead dnf
Mike Hatherly 15/Sep/11 Lead O/S
SuperMike64 ?/Sep/11 2nd
sleeplessjb 09/Aug/11 2nd O/S
madeleine 28/Jun/11 Lead O/S
with Robbie
kagreen 09/Jun/11 Lead
with Mike Barnard
KeithAlexander 28/May/11 2nd rpt
with MarkA
iansm 11/May/11 TR
with Tam
Kazza91 ?/May/11 -
cat22 24/Apr/11 2nd rpt
with Mike
Hidden 21/Apr/11 2nd
nich0las 17/Apr/11 Lead O/S
with Ewan P
Ewanski 17/Apr/11 2nd O/S
with Nick B
Hidden 17/Apr/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 15/Apr/11 2nd O/S
sneaks 15/Apr/11 Lead O/S

bit spicy for vs no?

AmbliKai 14/Apr/11 Lead O/S

Scott's first time belaying a leader. He seconded it clean afterwards.

with Scott Currie
Hidden ?/Apr/11 2nd O/S
joeydurkin 02/Mar/11 2nd
with Jockey, Graham K
Hidden 01/Mar/11 Lead
Hidden ?/Mar/11 Lead O/S
Scottish78 ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
rallymania 10/Oct/10 2nd O/S

Pete cleanly lead this after the groove was too wet to climb,

Hidden ?/Oct/10 Lead O/S
stewart100 04/Sep/10 2nd O/S
with Keith Lauder
franksnb 29/Aug/10 Lead O/S
with Ed, Emma, keith
Hidden 29/Aug/10 2nd
Hidden 28/Aug/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 14/Aug/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 02/Aug/10 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Aug/10 Lead O/S
cogg13 23/Jul/10 Lead O/S

first onsight vs and foray into the unknown!!

with dave laird
John Roe 11/Jul/10 Lead
with John Redfearn
Andy Moles 07/Jul/10 Lead O/S
with Pimpy
zoeduffin 07/Jul/10 2nd

this climb scared me!

pimpy 07/Jul/10 2nd
Derek Graham 02/Jul/10 2nd
with Graeme
Hidden 29/Jun/10 2nd
Hidden 29/Jun/10 Lead O/S
daWalt 29/Jun/10 2nd O/S
with dwhaley, Lisa
Tom Baird 19/Jun/10 Lead rpt

Not quite sure of the correct route at the hanging corner - I followed the chalk and traversed left and into the groove rather than going right up corner.

Hidden 12/Jun/10 2nd
oliverk 10/Jun/10 2nd
with Dan
Hidden 10/Jun/10 Lead O/S
jamiefoxen 05/Jun/10 Lead O/S
with bob foster
michael83 18/May/10 Lead O/S
with Laura
tomdude 02/May/10 Lead O/S

tricky middle bit as well as bottom

with joe dowsett
sophiecb 02/May/10 2nd
with Roy
dav_713 ?/May/10 Lead
krasavenko 29/Apr/10 Lead O/S

escaped the overhanging corner by traversing into second groove a bit earlier - would be a protected move if I had any appropriately sized gear left. still very enjoyable climb

jonskippy 12/Apr/10 2nd β
with Brett
rob askew 23/Mar/10 Lead O/S

very nice, a good bit of exposure at the top

with andy m
sebrider 20/Mar/10 Lead O/S

Very nice :)

Hidden 19/Mar/10 2nd
bigbobbyking 17/Mar/10 Lead β
with Sesh
Tom Baird 14/Mar/10 2nd O/S

Nice climb, first of the year. I'd forgotten how thin some moves could feel. Quite glad I'd opted not to lead it today.

with Scott
Hidden 14/Mar/10 Lead O/S
Dougie Harvey 13/Mar/10 2nd O/S
KeithAlexander 20/Sep/09 Lead O/S

felt more strenuous than I remember the Groove being. maybe a bit harder, but I think I preferred the Groove.

karinh 19/Sep/09 2nd
Hidden 13/Sep/09 2nd dnf
R0bbie 11/Sep/09 Lead
jess 29/Aug/09 Lead O/S
with martin
DundeeDave 22/Aug/09 2nd
with Jimmy Moxley, Ewan Gourlay
Hidden 16/Aug/09 Lead rpt
Hidden 16/Aug/09 Lead O/S
thebat 09/Aug/09 2nd
with Ontour
decs 11/Jul/09 AltLd
with Russell
Hidden 08/Jul/09 -
cat22 04/Jul/09 2nd O/S
with Mike
qboyd 03/Jul/09 2nd O/S
with Paul
Hidden 28/Jun/09 2nd O/S
JdotP 28/Jun/09 Lead rpt
with Krzysztof Gorgolewski
Hidden 21/Jun/09 2nd
ANC 21/Jun/09 Lead O/S
Ross Barnes 21/Jun/09 Lead
with Neil A
Hidden 09/Jun/09 Lead
khartwig 30/May/09 Lead O/S
with Mike Gannon
simon_D 24/May/09 Lead O/S
with Kyle
CMorris 20/May/09 Lead O/S
with Lesley McAffertey
Hidden 20/May/09 Lead
Hidden 04/May/09 2nd
Ally Gillies 26/Apr/09 2nd O/S


with Pete
ellis1 18/Apr/09 Lead O/S

Great route. Hard move into the finish of the Groove but good gear. (Still a little scary though)

cashley 18/Apr/09 2nd O/S

steady climb by ellis especially at the crux

with Ellis
benclimbing ?/Apr/09 Lead O/S
Peter Rhodes 20/Mar/09 2nd rpt
Neil Mackenzie 22/Feb/09 2nd O/S
with barbara
mshorter 19/Feb/09 Lead O/S
with lycra dave
BRUCESTRAC ??/2009 Lead
with Chris Cracknell,Various
Hidden ??/2009 -
Dr Toph ??/2009 2nd O/S

Fun variation to the Groove, a bit more thuggy

with Suzie Hill
jonnie3430 11/Oct/08 Lead O/S
with teaching 2 to lead
JdotP 11/Oct/08 Lead O/S
with Joe Larner
Hidden 05/Oct/08 Lead rpt
stuaart 28/Sep/08 2nd O/S


with Duanne White
gordon henderson 02/Sep/08 Lead O/S
with Chris
crisaitken 02/Sep/08 -
andymoin 30/Aug/08 2nd rpt
with Warren
adw07 30/Aug/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 27/Jul/08 Lead
LittleLuka 14/Jul/08 2nd
with Glenn
dshortt ?/Jul/08 Lead O/S
with Scott Webster
Fiona Reid 29/Jun/08 Lead O/S

Nice climb, really good line and great gear when you need it.

with Mike
Mike-W-99 29/Jun/08 2nd
with Fiona
DavPk 15/Jun/08 Lead O/S

Great route. Very airy move at the top. Should get 3 stars IMO.

with Mark Moynagh
simon_D 08/Jun/08 Lead O/S
with Neil Silver
climberuk 18/May/08 2nd β

Done this after I had led The Groove. The move past the peg felt easier this time. Felt more strenuous than The Groove. Well protected. Couldnt get one of Alan's wires out of the corner above the ledge.

with Alan
groovypiper 09/May/08 Lead
with Ross
Hidden ?/Apr/08 Lead
fall-line 17/Feb/08 2nd O/S
with Clare Muir
arose ?/Jan/08 Lead


with Matthew Phillips
Murray Freq ??/2008 Lead
Hidden ??/2008 -
Hidden ??/2008 2nd O/S
TrollJester ??/2008 Lead O/S
with done many routes umteen times some solo
Chris L Hill ??/2008 Lead O/S
with Mark Harrison
Hidden ??/2008 Lead
mhairi thorburn 29/Oct/07 Lead O/S
with malc
Ly-Cilph 06/Oct/07 2nd O/S
with Joe S (StAUMC)
Stuart Macfarlane 13/Sep/07 Lead
with Helen
Boistelle 09/Sep/07 Lead O/S
with Dave Laird
Lawrie Brand 10/Jul/07 Lead O/S
with Keith
oliverk 10/Jun/07 2nd
beegsyboy 20/May/07 2nd O/S
with Sandy
Stuart Macfarlane 20/May/07 Lead
with Helen
dodfoster 01/May/07 Lead O/S
sgl0jd ?/May/07 Lead
with Gayle Burns
akhughes ?/May/07 Lead
elegant cheddar ?/May/07 2nd
with adam hughes
jazzyjackson 04/Apr/07 Lead
with The Local Boy
andymoin 01/Apr/07 2nd O/S

better than the groove i recon.

beegsyboy 01/Apr/07 Lead O/S
with Andy
alan wilson ??/2007 -
breithorn4164 ??/2007 Lead
with Callum Black
phil_freeman ??/2007 2nd
with Jake
figfour ??/2007 Lead O/S
CurlyStevo ??/2007 Lead
Hidden ??/2007 -
Rik Dawes ??/2007 Lead O/S
jfmchivall ??/2007 -
mterentiusvarro ??/2007 2nd
with Ellie
barney_edin 04/Sep/06 -
Greg Boswell 22/Jul/06 Lead O/S
Sean Bell 05/Jul/06 Lead O/S
with ali
jim.macp 01/Jul/06 -
Hidden 27/Jun/06 2nd
K Wall 03/Jun/06 Lead
with Martin
sgl ?/May/06 Lead O/S
with emily
Hidden 23/Apr/06 Lead
francois ??/2006 -
Neil Adams ??/2006 Lead O/S
kdlauder ??/2006 Lead O/S
Hidden ??/2006 Lead O/S
Stuart Macfarlane 23/Jun/05 Lead O/S
with Helen
Scotsken ?/Apr/05 -
andyinglis ??/2005 AltLd
dave o 04/Sep/04 Lead O/S
with Julia H
Hidden 04/Sep/04 2nd dog
Hidden ??/2004 Lead
Batty 07/Oct/03 TR
French Erick ?/Oct/03 Lead O/S
with Stewart Richardson
220bpm ?/Sep/03 Lead O/S
snowboarder ?/Sep/03 2nd
with Mark
Cassidy 05/Aug/03 Solo
with David Cassidy
RAK 06/Jun/03 Lead
Hidden 12/Apr/03 Lead
Hidden ?/Mar/03 2nd
Yourlead 02/Oct/02 Lead
with Garry Cohen
Hidden ?/Jul/02 Lead
Hidden ??/2002 Solo
mav ??/2002 -
greenroom ??/2001 Lead O/S
brianrunner ??/2001 -
IanD353 ?/Mar/00 Lead O/S
with Ailsa
Chad123 ??/2000 -
stugreen75 ??/2000 Lead O/S
graeme gatherer ??/2000 -
JiveWeasel 26/Jun/99 Lead O/S
with Bionic Bob
Hidden ??/1999 -
BobbyMotherwell ??/1998 -
jcw ??/1998 -
with Simon Richardson
DundeeDave 29/Jun/97 2nd
with Keith Wilkinson
Yourlead 14/May/97 Lead
with Simon
Hidden ??/1997 2nd
DundeeDave 06/Aug/96 2nd
with Ben Hughes
Yourlead 24/May/94 Lead
with Hugh Muchcamp
Yourlead 22/May/94 TR


Marti999 ??/1994 Lead
CMacD ??/1994 -
Yourlead 01/Aug/93 Lead
with Graham, Shiboun
Yourlead 28/Jul/93 Lead
with Stuart Johnston
Yourlead 12/Jun/93 Lead

Steph climbed Barefoot!!!!

with Stephan Liudbloun
Yourlead 28/Apr/93 2nd
with Stuart Johnston
Hidden 02/Aug/92 Lead O/S
Yourlead 25/Jul/91 Lead
with Jim Hamilton
Yourlead 12/Jul/91 2nd
with Alex Runciman
Yourlead 21/Apr/90 2nd dog

Suffering from after effects of flu

pingora 27/Mar/88 -
with McCallum
Neil Henderson ??/1988 -
mark-abz 30/Jun/84 2nd
with Walter P
amcleish ??/1984 -
johnkeith ??/1980 -
IanMcC ?/May/54 -
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