Easy straightforward ground linked by some hard moves. Some very nasty crux about 20m from the top (belay stance)
JonnyJT - 2nd O/S - 31/Mar/15 with Mehmet Karatay
alan.rodger - AltLd - 27/Mar/15 with gerhard mors
morsg - AltLd - 27/Mar/15 with Alan Rodger
Great mixed route bits of falling ice due to rise in tempreture but enjoyable
hamishjfk - AltLd O/S - 21/Mar/15 with James kelly, Andy Wilson
Very lean, definitely III 5 today!
mes32 - 2nd O/S - 17/Mar/15 with Mick
Lead most of the ramp in one pitch, crux felt fairly thin. Not sure if I went up the correct corner or not, certainly felt pretty hard for III, 4! Great climbing though! http://mp-m.uk/hrDz7
alastairbegley - Lead O/S - 02/Mar/15 with Becky Bagnall
Hidden - 2nd - 02/Mar/15
Loved the crux. Great fun!
grady_9 - Lead O/S - 21/Feb/15
Hidden - Lead O/S - 21/Feb/15
Lead crux corner
Jimmy1976 - AltLd O/S - 17/Feb/15 with Jon
Led but this did the normal finish up the The Slant. I led the first crux pitch Robby led a little pitch I then led two more to the top. Based on how much easier the finish was this time I am now almost certain we finished up Yukon Jack previously.
MPSBunny - AltLd rpt - 16/Feb/15 with Robby Pineda
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 16/Feb/15
Matt strung the first 2 pitches together then we went up to the top pitch of hidden chimney.
amccann - 2nd - 14/Feb/15 with Jem, Matt G
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 14/Feb/15
IV today? Nice.
jezb1 - 2nd - 10/Feb/15
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 10/Feb/15
Great fun with an interesting crux. I lead P2 which involved some crappy snow and a fun little corner that decided to fill with spindrift as soon as I got in it.
franhammond92 - AltLd O/S - 08/Feb/15 with Pete, David Robinnette
good route, nice with a few crux sections, did a harder variation at the top which involved yarding up on small turf blobs and dubious blind hooks
pete1993 - AltLd O/S - 08/Feb/15 with David, Fran
flett53 - 2nd - 04/Feb/15
aljones91 - 2nd - 03/Feb/15 with Ben hester
Hard technical moves under powder
kj001 - 2nd - 02/Feb/15 with Phil Dowthwaite
Hidden - Lead O/S - 01/Feb/15
OliverRoss - 2nd dog - 01/Feb/15 with Josh Willet
Hidden - 2nd - Feb/15
Hugh Simons - AltLd O/S - 24/Jan/15 with Alistair Lee
Euan Todd - AltLd O/S - 24/Jan/15 with Richard
Lots of powder made finding gear placements slow and laborious! Worthy of Grade 4.
Piers Harley - AltLd O/S - 21/Jan/15 with Bryan Clary
Hard with lots of unconsolidated snow.
Robertgiddy - 18/Jan/15
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 17/Jan/15
catrin289 - AltLd - 17/Jan/15 with Sam P
mzchambers - AltLd O/S - 13/Jan/15
alasdair19 - 2015
plain kitten - 2015
GordonAinslie - AltLd - 2015
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 26/Dec/14
Did the chimney of The Messenger after, great way to get off.
jonnie3430 - Lead O/S - 20/Dec/14 with Pete
Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Jan/14
Jon Pilling - 2nd O/S - 15/Jan/14 with Ben Hardy
Lead first pitch...fun move!
aljones91 - AltLd - 12/Jan/14
nich0las - Lead - 11/Jan/14 with Catriona C
The route was under a lot of snow so protection was hard to find.
ashsleight - 2nd O/S - 08/Jan/14
Developed my snow swimming technique.
aldo56 - 2nd O/S - 08/Jan/14 with Alex Mathie
Fun climb, bomber gear though it required considerable excavation. Good belays on the top. Did it in 2 pitches.
alexm198 - Lead O/S - 08/Jan/14 with Allan Ross
3 pitches. Finished up final pitch of Yukon Jack. Led pitch 1 & 3, pretty scary traverse with a long runout. Spent ages trying to find gear but the only thing that would have worked was a screw which we didn't have with us.
Fiona Reid - AltLd O/S - 05/Jan/14 with Mike
Fiona led the difficulties on hl. I did the last pitch of Yukon jack and then easy snow to the top.
prog99 - AltLd O/S - 05/Jan/14 with Fiona
Reasonable condition with ice on the crux. The gear needs digging out a little.
team fat belly - Lead - 04/Jan/14 with Chris
chrisallan - AltLd O/S - 04/Jan/14
Lead first pitch. We were the first on the route and it took me over an hour to clear all the huge amount of snow. Very bad ice and the traverse through the rock bulge was a bit fiddly considering I could not find decent protection or ice.
Murilo Lessa - AltLd O/S - 04/Jan/14 with William Watson
Hidden - 03/Jan/14
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 02/Jan/14
linked into hidden chimney
simondunf - Lead - 02/Jan/14 with caspar
saffy - AltLd O/S - Jan/14
prcleary - 2014
Dunx - Lead - 29/Dec/13 with Rob Harding
cpforbes - AltLd O/S - 29/Dec/13
Enjoyable, second route of the day!
Adamski1986 - Lead - 29/Dec/13
thick neve & good ice, a soft touch for the grade today
Brucemacrosson - AltLd - 29/Dec/13 with Ewan Paterson
benny_m - AltLd O/S - 26/Dec/13 with Su
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Dec/13
Timothy Miller - AltLd O/S - 22/Dec/13 with Scott G
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 22/Dec/13
Hidden - 2nd - 19/Dec/13
Carodashes - Lead - 17/Dec/13 with justaddpowder
chewy098 - AltLd O/S - Dec/13
peter.herd - AltLd - 23/Nov/13 with Tom Shaw
Kyle lead in 2 pitches. Chris's first Scottish winter route! After the route, we followed the grade I to diagonally-left. The temperature was just freezing, but pretty wet day.
masa-alpin - 2nd β - 23/Nov/13 with Chris Chef, Kyle
In two pitches. Finished up The Slant for pitch two.
Mr. K - Lead O/S - 23/Nov/13 with Masa Sakano, Chris Mullaney
fathobbit - 2nd - 23/Nov/13 with Mr. K
III 5 in todays conditions, very cruxy and well protected with easy walking between hard corners
Webster - Lead O/S - 10/Nov/13
jshields - 2nd - 09/Nov/13 with Jeff Ingman
Hidden - 2nd - 09/Nov/13
Hidden - AltLd O/S - Nov/13
jamesgr87 - AltLd O/S - Nov/13
Hugh Macgregor - 2nd - Oct/13 with David Webster
DundeeDave - AltLd - 13/Apr/13 with Ephraim
couple of inches of snow over good ice and neve, some pumpy moves!
ClimbingGlen - AltLd dog - 01/Apr/13 with Peter Cuthill
Did first couple of pitches of Haston Line then finished up Hidden Chimney. A good combination.
Adrianw - AltLd O/S - 24/Feb/13 with Richard Pow
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 23/Feb/13
Andy DB - AltLd O/S - 23/Feb/13 with Will C
Fell just above the crux when my axe leashes got tangled in a place of gear I had just placed. Clean otherwise. Finished up the Slant.
blue_sundown - Lead - 16/Feb/13 with Ben M, Pudding, NUMC
stiff pull around a rocky step.
benkelsey - Lead O/S - 16/Feb/13 with HPC
Matthew Robinson - Lead - 14/Feb/13 with Joe
First winter route...fun!
Rachel Slater - 2nd O/S - 09/Feb/13 with Olli Crudge
First route in Scotland and hardest route yet. Fun, lots of snow covering everything made finding gear difficult.
Olli-C - Lead O/S - 09/Feb/13 with Rachel Slater
Anna_wells - 09/Feb/13 with TIM
Tim_Gomersall - AltLd - 09/Feb/13 with ANNA
AlistairB - 2nd O/S - 03/Feb/13 with John H, Johan
Hidden - AltLd O/S - Feb/13
ruairidhwad - 2nd - Feb/13 with Tom Whitfield
robgixer - Lead - Feb/13
drobin - 2nd - Feb/13
Hidden - Lead - Feb/13
Darrell Read - AltLd - 27/Jan/13 with Robbie King, Oliver Mentz
robbiek - 2nd - 27/Jan/13 with Oliver Mentz, Darrell Read
j4star - AltLd - 27/Jan/13
Luke Davies - AltLd - 27/Jan/13
iced rocks with a dusting of snow!
franksnb - Lead O/S - 13/Jan/13 with calum, crazy steven
Hidden - 2nd - 13/Jan/13
Hidden - Lead - 06/Jan/13
Hidden - Lead O/S - 01/Jan/13
wheelsucker - 2013
Hidden - 2013
Jacks20 - AltLd - 2013 with Neil Wightwick
robh14 - 2nd - 2013
tomblankenstein - 2nd O/S - 30/Dec/12 with Bobby Pearson
Phoebus - Lead O/S - 20/Dec/12
cracking route - bold condition with lots of icing and powder ontop but felt secure the whole way up
Woodiee - Lead O/S - 20/Dec/12 with Christine Hall
Hidden - 2nd - 18/Dec/12
rufus.duits - Solo - 18/Dec/12
ferdia - Lead rpt - 18/Dec/12 with Kev, Anne
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 16/Dec/12
lcullum7 - Lead O/S - 16/Dec/12 with Rich Jones
justaddpowder - AltLd - 16/Dec/12
Hidden - Lead O/S - 11/Dec/12
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/12
ollyroberts - Lead O/S - 06/Dec/12 with Piers Newton
luckyjim - AltLd - 02/Dec/12 with C Hossack, D Helm
piersnewton - 2nd O/S - 02/Dec/12 with Olly Roberts
Rickrick - AltLd - Dec/12
Cold, Clear conditions :D
youarearobot - 2nd O/S - 01/Nov/12 with Alex Runicman
technick - 2nd O/S - 19/Feb/12
Hidden - Lead O/S - 19/Feb/12
el cholo - Lead O/S - 12/Feb/12 with Richard, Lucy
Hidden - AltLd - 11/Feb/12
Hidden - Lead - 07/Feb/12
Hidden - 05/Feb/12
Hidden - Lead - 05/Feb/12
ferdia - 2nd - 05/Feb/12 with Joris
MarcusP - AltLd - 04/Feb/12 with Callum, Libby
Did in two pitches, Marcus led the first 60m and Callum the second. (slightly ran out of rope for the last 3m)
libby.southgate - 2nd - 04/Feb/12 with Marcus Peabody, Callum Tayor
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 04/Feb/12
John Pickles leading. First pitch worth doing, rest very so-so.
lewiz - 2nd O/S - 03/Feb/12
John Pickles - Lead rpt - 03/Feb/12 with Lewis Thompson
P1 crux v hard in lean conditions, as the guidebook says it feels more like a 5 then a 4 pulling over the 2nd big corner. Jim P2. Me pitch 3. very enjoyable in day in perfect sunny conditions
stratandrew - AltLd O/S - 03/Feb/12 with Jim Symon
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/12
led crux pitch(es) and finished up hidden chimney. looking at photos now I think we had lean conditions
jon_ridley - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/12 with Will Pope, Gavin Oliver
becoming-stranger - 2nd O/S - 30/Jan/12 with Gavin Oliver, Jon Ridley
groliver26 - AltLd - 30/Jan/12 with Jon Ridley
Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/Jan/12
daWalt - 2nd O/S - 29/Jan/12 with TC
The Mountain Goat - AltLd O/S - 28/Jan/12 with Dom Sellers
Somerset swede basher - AltLd O/S - 28/Jan/12 with Jon Miles
Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Jan/12
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 23/Jan/12
finished up the last pitch of Yukon Jack
michael83 - AltLd O/S - 23/Jan/12 with Mark Mosgrove
Hannah Evans - AltLd - 22/Jan/12 with Martyn Stott
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 20/Jan/12
Clay C - AltLd O/S - 20/Jan/12 with Will A
Piers Harley - AltLd - 17/Jan/12 with Jeremy Windsor, Paul Winder
ruggystunts - Lead - 13/Jan/12 with Alen
Only a covering of ice on the crux gave the route its full technical grade but good gear and very secure hooks. Great route.
Steven Andrews - Lead O/S - 08/Jan/12 with Arjan
Hidden - Lead - 07/Jan/12
Hidden - 07/Jan/12
Owen1984 - AltLd O/S - 02/Jan/12
Hidden - AltLd - 02/Jan/12
Windy but pretty good conditions, a bit thin in places. Finished up The Slant.
Gibson27 - Jan/12
Hidden - AltLd - Jan/12
Jonny Fart-Pants - Lead - 20/Dec/11
kipman725 - AltLd - 19/Dec/11
Dunx - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/11 with Steve Holmes
Jbw - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/11
Hidden - AltLd - 17/Dec/11
Late start, calf injury flared up. Bit busy up there so logical option. Bit of a two move wonder on a claggy day.
Ian Jones - Lead O/S - 17/Dec/11 with John Rosario
loved the climb, great route :)
Sianny - 2nd - 15/Dec/11 with steve
1 st half of Haston then finished up Hidden Chimney
Dave Douglas - AltLd O/S - 12/Dec/11 with Paul Freudenthal
freudy_love - 2nd rpt - 12/Dec/11 with Dave Douglas
Lean conditions, maybe III, 5. Finished up corner right of the messenger at about III, 4.
riven - AltLd - 10/Dec/11 with Ollie Kenyon
oliverk - AltLd - 10/Dec/11 with Joe
Elsier - Lead O/S - 10/Dec/11 with Koon
Elsie lead the first crux pitch. Lead the second pitch to the base of Hidden chimney which I then lead the final crux pitch. Very exciting. I went straight up the left instead of going up the small ledges on the right. Thought it would be easier but it was just as hard.
Koon - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/11 with Elsie
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 04/Dec/11
lead pitch 1
CacCarnBeag - AltLd - 04/Dec/11 with Sinclair, Sam
samwillo - AltLd - 04/Dec/11 with Lairig Climbing Club
Rob pitch 1, me pitch 2 to the base of Hidden Chimney. Good but tricky conditions with iced cracks and powder. IV, 4 today.
MrRiley - AltLd O/S - 03/Dec/11 with Rob Reglinski
Hidden - 2nd - Dec/11
Hidden - 2nd O/S - Dec/11
Hidden - Lead - 09/Feb/11
Hidden - 2nd - 09/Feb/11
stevebarratt - Solo - 05/Feb/11
Hidden - 2nd - 04/Feb/11
In good condition, Gets a IV,4 in the new cairngorms guide
benjaminireland - 2nd O/S - 30/Jan/11 with William Hawkins
Very enjoyable climbing. Plenty of gear on the 2nd corner (crux). Only the first pitch is of any real interest- last pitch of Yukon Jack makes a much better finish.
willhawkins - Lead O/S - 30/Jan/11
First pitch was exciting shame I used most of my nuts by the time I got to the hard bit on the first pitch. Next time two sets of nuts as the gear is amazing. I think I came out of the second corner early as it seemed to be harder than I expected and I was unsure if I was going up Yukon Jack (IV 5) which I really didn't want to be.
Built the best belay in the world: 3 nuts, 2 screws and a buried axe [shame all the nuts were in the same crack and that one of the screws was a tied of 13cm :)]
MPSBunny - AltLd - 29/Jan/11 with Stu Coxon
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 29/Jan/11
theotherpetehill - AltLd O/S - 27/Jan/11 with jacob davies
thin climbing conditions but a quality route, finished up top of Yukon Jack which was also a quality climb
Griff87 - AltLd O/S - 26/Jan/11 with Tom Anderson, Jamie Hawton
jhawton - AltLd O/S - 26/Jan/11 with Tom Anderson, Griff
mistertees - 2nd - 24/Jan/11
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 22/Jan/11
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 22/Jan/11
P1&3 me, p2&4 James Inc crux. Fun. Pretty thin but enough ice about.
Batt - AltLd O/S - 21/Jan/11 with James Hoyes
Good conditions. Difficulties short lived and well protected. First grade 4 lead.
Hoyes - AltLd O/S - 21/Jan/11 with Rachel B
Started on this line until approximately where "Sharks Fin Soup" joins it, then headed off right to finish up "Hidden Chimney" - a good wee combo!
freudy_love - Lead O/S - 07/Jan/11 with Stevie Addison, Jimmy Addison
Hidden - 06/Jan/11
Betha. - 2nd O/S - 04/Jan/11 with Neil D
Neil D - Lead rpt - 04/Jan/11 with Beth Hodgett
Alastair MacSween - AltLd - 03/Jan/11 with Phil Warriner
Rob84 - Lead O/S - 02/Jan/11 with Si White
Hidden - AltLd - Jan/11
steve-grigg - 2nd - Jan/11
Hidden - 2011
PAJames - 2011
Hidden - 2011
newtonmore - 2011
David Sherratt - Lead O/S - 2011
I led P1, Matt P2, me P3
bridget143 - AltLd O/S - 31/Dec/10 with Matt Freear
The_Boy_ODwyer - AltLd - 21/Dec/10 with JP, Tom
JdotP - AltLd O/S - 20/Dec/10 with James O'Dwyer, Tom Bishop
Already fell off Yukon Jack, decided on Haston Line, horrible climbing conditions, thick icy crust on top of unconsolidated powder, it took ages scraping around for gear too, not a good day!!
Tile Diver - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/10 with Ivan Tait
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 23/Nov/10
Led to just below The Slant, Nath came through & then we soloed to top.
KeithW - AltLd O/S - 22/Nov/10 with Nathan White
t_stork - AltLd - 14/Nov/10 with Steve Walls
Hidden - AltLd - 14/Nov/10
Hidden - AltLd - 14/Nov/10
Ignominious failure at the crux. Sent Willie up for a try who pulled over but was "within a baw-hair of sacking it".
niallk - AltLd - 14/Nov/10 with Willie
lachlan - AltLd - Nov/10
Hidden - AltLd - Nov/10
TomKingston - Lead - 21/Mar/10
Ann S - 2nd - 14/Feb/10 with Foggy and Carole
cas smerdon - 2nd - 14/Feb/10 with foggy, Ann Shaw
mark20 - AltLd O/S - 13/Feb/10
Ollie B - Lead O/S - 13/Feb/10 with M.Rankine
lizzie_malc - AltLd - 07/Feb/10 with Charlotte Simmons, Emily Ward
Hidden - AltLd rpt - 07/Feb/10
Hidden - Solo - 04/Feb/10
Cacyn - 2nd O/S - 02/Feb/10 with John Jackson
Hidden - AltLd - 2010
Hidden - 2010
Hidden - 2010
Hidden - AltLd - 2010
Nice route but straightforward
rossn - Lead O/S - 2010 with Nick Bryan
Hidden - AltLd - 29/Dec/09
Greg Boswell - Lead O/S - 21/Dec/09 with Sarah Boswell
dj_brigham05 - AltLd rpt - 20/Dec/09 with Chris Thain
nicjbuk - AltLd - 16/Dec/09
Mock student, not very wintery
barni - 2nd O/S - 11/Mar/09 with Kenny
HIGHTOWER - 2nd - 08/Mar/09 with Joey, Tim
Hidden - AltLd - 08/Mar/09
Backed off crux and pointed Matt at it!
Gustav - AltLd O/S - 08/Mar/09 with Matt G
Had to back of crux and get Tim to lead it after waiting around getting pretty damn cold.
joeydurkin - AltLd - 08/Mar/09 with Hightower, Tim
Hidden - Lead - Feb/09
Quite banked out.
Ken Applegate - Lead - 26/Jan/09 with Dave Kirby
Stewart did all the hard stuff. Bit of a one move wonder in the conditions we did it...
stuaart - AltLd O/S - 24/Jan/09 with Stewart Whiting
manmike - Lead - 24/Jan/09 with moose ridd
Second corner move is the crux.
Ste Ridd - 2nd - 24/Jan/09 with M.Sadler
adamscottthomas - AltLd - 21/Jan/09 with Andy Wardle
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Jan/09
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 03/Jan/09
D.Russell - AltLd - 03/Jan/09 with Adam
John Pickles - Lead O/S - Jan/09 with Steve Randles
Neil D - AltLd O/S - Jan/09 with Phil Leadbeater
windy100 - 2009
rossn - 2009
d_meacher - AltLd O/S - 20/Dec/08 with Mark Walter
got a IV,4 in my guide and felt it deserved it
Mark Walter - AltLd O/S - Dec/08 with Duncan Meacher
Hidden - AltLd - 22/Nov/08
had to ab off after first pitch due to difficulties and deterioating conditions
frecro - AltLd - 30/Oct/08 with t_stork
Alastair MacSween - AltLd - 01/Apr/08 with Phil Warriner
Some clearing of sugary snow needed today, but some great torquing and hooking with frozen turf higher up made for a good route.
jazzyjackson - Lead - 14/Mar/08 with Tully
Jim Slater - AltLd O/S - 08/Mar/08 with Phil Lee
Hidden - 07/Mar/08
akhughes - Lead O/S - Mar/08
abbeywall - AltLd - Mar/08
Very, very wet
Mr Powly - AltLd - 07/Feb/08 with Pete Graham
First real winter climb, basically dry tooling but with lots of powdery snow. Good fun though!
jamie0510 - 2nd dnf - 02/Feb/08 with Alex Pickard, David Brigham
Poor Conditions, backed off to make it back for dinner
dj_brigham05 - AltLd dnf - 02/Feb/08 with Alex Pickard, Jamie Nicholson
Very little ice about and snow fairly soft. Sounds like this route doesn't usually build up a lot of ice anyway. First crux move is easier than second - both require careful dry tooling. Tricams useful on slightly flared cracks. All rock gear - no ice gear placed.Enjoyable. Snowcover on the Cairngorm plateau very windblown so not ideal for ski tourers.
RobScotland - AltLd O/S - 12/Jan/08 with Steve
fritz_in_aotearoa - 2008
Alco-nomic - AltLd - 2008
CurlyStevo - AltLd - 2008
carried on up deep chimney in top tier starting about 10m up The Slant from the top of Haston Line (don't know what it's called).
morsy - AltLd - 30/Dec/07 with gerhard mors
Hidden - AltLd - 21/Mar/07
took a weird variation finish up to the slant, along a traverse right from the standard left slanting ramp, and up some fractured slabs
BallsOfSteel - AltLd - 21/Mar/07 with IainMunro
Hidden - Lead O/S - Mar/07
Hidden - AltLd - Jan/07
timmy-ts - 2007
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 21/Nov/06
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 21/Nov/06
As a rock route
Alastair MacSween - Solo - 30/Jul/06
Hidden - AltLd O/S - Mar/06
Hidden - Lead O/S - 19/Feb/06
andrewbooth1000 - 2nd O/S - 18/Feb/06 with Pete Baillie
Ken Applegate - AltLd - Jan/06 with Ryan Glass
theflyingpaddy - 2006
Captain Solo - AltLd - 19/Nov/05 with Karl
oor wullie - AltLd O/S - 2005 with Neil
mrtom - AltLd O/S - 03/Apr/04 with Mike Moss
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Dec/03
Gman - AltLd O/S - Feb/03 with Carl
mike.moss - AltLd O/S - 2003
Hidden - AltLd - 16/Dec/02
The corner is awkward.
AndyP - AltLd O/S - 15/Feb/02 with Jamie
Good condition, short sharp crux.
Valdres Fjellguider - AltLd O/S - 15/Feb/02 with Numerous, Andy porter
konacol - AltLd - 10/Feb/02 with Dave Mitchell
Hidden - Lead - Feb/02
steveP - AltLd O/S - Feb/01 with Frank Popham
Hidden - AltLd O/S - Jun/00
Hidden - 2000
Hidden - 2000
Think it was a III then, but felt quite hard only my third route though.
smithaldo - AltLd O/S - Feb/98 with tom matthew
Hidden - Lead O/S - 01/Jan/97
tlr - AltLd - 09/Mar/96 with Chris Harvey
Hidden - 01/Feb/95
Hidden - AltLd - 22/Dec/94