The Groper* VS 4c
[Having a little trouble, 2 kb]12m. Climb the front of the pillar then move right for an exposed finish via a crack that splits the nose. © ROCKFAX
Les Gillott early 1960s 1962

Ticklists: Stanage Routes BMC Graded List, Stanage 100 VD - VS.

Photo: Having a little trouble © lesleyann

PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 101 logbooks, and on 6 wishlists.

hard for a VS? unfinished business grrrrrr
heyhoot - Lead dnf - 18/Oct/14 with Kleo De Janiro

benlatham07 - Lead β - 12/Oct/14

Hidden - TR - 25/Jun/14

WillDoyle - 2nd - 31/May/14

Fuck off VS. HVS fo sho.
dr_botnik - Lead O/S - 28/Apr/14 with Phil Taylor

Nick1812P - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/14 with Jamie

JamieSparkes - 2nd rpt - 29/Mar/14 with Nick

kermit_uk - 2nd O/S - 29/Mar/14 with Phil Parkin

fall with cam breaking one of the layers of rock in the upper part. rock hit me on forehead, lost a front tooth
Lotoni - Lead dnf - Nov/13 with kuz

tough for grade. pumpy and rounded holds at top.
mark4344 - 2nd - 28/Sep/13 with derek, Matt Payne

This route is nails! Lead the crux/top after Phil backed off, went off-route to the right, but still obscenely strong finish. Not VS by any stretch of the imagination!
Merlin - Lead dog - 10/Aug/13 with Polly Withers, Phil Chalkley

MaccMark - 2nd - 13/Jul/13

Clay C - Lead dog - 13/Jul/13 with Emma

Nice, unlikely VS
JimboWizbo - 2nd - 13/Jul/13 with Beth

Hidden - Lead O/S - 13/Jul/13

:(
Lumbering Oaf - 2nd dog - 01/Jun/13 with Rach Batt

Monkey practice
Batt - Lead O/S - 01/Jun/13 with Matt Box

Hidden - 20/Apr/13

alastairbegley - Lead dog - 20/Apr/13 with David West

hard work cold hands hanging upside down fun
the power - Lead dog - 13/Jan/13 with paul29uk

Hidden - 2nd - 13/Jan/13

Fell off just before the top. Hard for VS!
Jackwd - Lead dog - 04/Oct/12 with Laurel Sleet, Charley Fell, Kev Titheradge, Angela Paul

Had to rest on top move, strenuous rather than difficult
valentinesbabe - 2nd dog - 04/Oct/12 with Jack Drake, Charley Fell, Kevin Tithe

Tithe Technique - TR dog - 04/Oct/12 with Angela Paul

Bit of a stiff warm-up route on a cold afternoon after not a climbing for awhile. Actually found it okay and easier then everyone else but I was 4th up so didn't have to place or remove gear.. Think I would of felt different on lead..
charley - 2nd O/S - 04/Oct/12 with JackD, Ange, Kev

Hidden - 2nd dog - 01/Sep/12

andy jennings - 2nd β - 01/Sep/12 with Mike

greglad - Lead - 25/Jul/12

Boy - Solo - 12/Jul/12

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 26/May/12

Sebastien Gastaud - Lead O/S - 20/May/12 with Fabienne Gassman, Kirsty McLoud, Martin Oldham

stev1e.wilso - 2nd - 15/Apr/12 with Simon

simon1985 - Lead - 15/Apr/12 with Steve Wilson

why is this VS on here, never in a million years HVS for sure
Graeme Hammond - 2nd rpt - 18/Mar/12 with Jim

Hidden - Lead dog - 17/Mar/12

Jonny M - TR O/S - 17/Mar/12 with Deborah Cole

excellent route - definitely an HVS 5a & probably deserves a second star (despite the midges today!)
danny269 - 2nd - 2012 with Keir

Hidden - 2012

This felt just as hard and possibly harder than right unconquerable. knee bar helps to rest and place gear before the top out.
owain86 - Lead β - 12/Nov/11 with Chris

best climb of the day! Juggy with lots of protection. It feels scary but that's because your pumped out and getting tided. had to use a knee bar to rest.. is this really a VS/4c? think not..
steve2006 - Lead O/S - 15/Oct/11 with barry

fatbuoybazza - 2nd rpt - 15/Oct/11 with Stevsie

Si Croft - Lead O/S - 15/Oct/11 with Bernie, JD, Jos

Hidden - Lead dnf - 02/Aug/11

very sandy and crumbly where it matters. will took a good fall on this one going through the roof. I attempted the lead but backed off. not my cup of tea.
gb83 - Lead dnf - 02/Aug/11 with Will AHM

Top roped after failing to lead. Still found this very physically demanding, made the top with a few tight ropes to top out. Well under graded. HVS5A ?
Neil Rodgers (PCC) - TR dog - 31/Jul/11 with Marilyn, Mick Sissons

Hidden - TR - 31/Jul/11

paulerussell - TR dog - 24/Jul/11 with Matia Mallia

slacky - 2nd O/S - 09/Jul/11 with Gary, Ben

Hidden - Lead dog - 26/Jun/11

Hidden - 2nd dnf - 26/Jun/11

JamieSparkes - Lead O/S - 10/May/11 with DICS chris

Felt a bit pressing on the overhang and more like 5b, although less than perfect conditions probably didn't help.
Graeme Hammond - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/11 with Steve, Richard Williams

Danny Crump - 2nd - 27/Mar/11 with Sarah Pentelow, Tony Wood

Rachel Slater - 2nd O/S - 27/Mar/11 with Jon Fane

tony wood - Lead dnf - 27/Mar/11 with Sarah P, Danny Crump

Shouldo had HVS fur this one..
fatbuoybazza - Lead O/S - 06/Mar/11 with liv_the_div

Hidden - Lead - 06/Mar/11

thekendo - 2nd O/S - 09/Jan/11 with andy peak 1

Andy Peak 1 - Lead - 08/Jan/11

rockaddict - TR O/S - 2011

rockaddict - 2nd - 2011

davebonner - 2011

deacondeacon - Lead O/S - 2011

HIGHTOWER - Lead O/S - 16/Oct/10 with Hannah

Tightsgirl - 2nd - 16/Oct/10 with Mark Freestone

Hidden - TR dog - 28/Aug/10

Did not trust the rock quality at the top, obvious recent damage in a few places. Take Care.
hobblingfool - Lead dnf - 26/Jun/10

Felt good getting the knee bar in but definitely more like HVS 5a!
Hexman - Lead O/S - 17/Jun/10 with James

ben_250 - 2nd O/S - 28/Apr/10 with Tom

tomthecoolperson - Lead - 28/Apr/10 with Ben 250, Andrew

Hidden - Lead dnf - 28/Apr/10

hamishclimb - TR - 22/Apr/10

buxtoncoffeelover - 2nd - 2010

Do you have to stay on the overhang and place gear hanging on your arms? Or can you move to the big block on the right, comfortably place a lot of gear before launching into the roof? I still fell on it when climbing the roof. I followed the crack - either I missed something obvious, or it's just slopers and no jugs to pull on - probably hard for a VS?
pawelx - Lead dog - 05/Oct/09

Hidden - 2nd - 04/Oct/09

Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH - Lead O/S - 04/Oct/09 with Nicky Shaw, Steve Harby

Hidden - 2nd - 20/Sep/09

Hidden - 2nd dog - 19/Sep/09

Had to rest getting past the overhang.
Monkey_Alan - Lead dog - 19/Sep/09 with Viskii Chicu

Fun hands off rest from a knee bar near the top
Diggler - 2nd - 29/Aug/09 with Paul V

Hidden - 2nd dog - Jul/09

schaff - Lead O/S - May/09

Hidden - Lead - 15/Mar/09

Hidden - Lead - 22/Nov/08

Got to the overhand and thought "gosh - steeper than it looked from down there" Another day...
bigbobbyking - Lead dnf - 19/Oct/08

Up, left - and don't stop!
JohnHutch - 2nd - 09/Oct/08 with MG

tobydunford - Lead O/S - 16/Feb/08 with Sarah Wysling

David Smith - 2nd - 2008

barni - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/07 with tom machine

Contrived start made worse by the expanding holly bush.
stp - Solo O/S - 02/May/07

Stig - Lead O/S - 09/Oct/05 with Jonathan Teale

Stig - 2nd dog - 20/Jun/05 with Charlie Reade-Jahn

Ropeboy - Solo - 30/May/05

worth HVS and ** i thought
Different Steve - Lead - Sep/04

lowersharpnose - Lead - 01/Jan/02

Hidden - 2002

rocktigger - Lead O/S - 2001 with Clare

Hidden - Lead dog - 29/Aug/99

Simon Pearce - 1999

Both led
Chris Ellis - Lead O/S - 13/Aug/94 with Rachel Nicolson

BRUCESTRAC - 1988 with Chris Cracknell,Various

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easy VS0 of 37
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hard 5a0 of 36
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easy 5a22 of 36
hard 4c10 of 36
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