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Totalitarian*** E1 5c

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[Mark Johnston on Totalitarian, 2 kb]4 pitches. A four pitch beauty. A contender for best E1 in England with four contrasting pitches. 1. 5a. Better than it looks with good rough rock. 2. 5b. A superb delicate groove. 3. 4c. An exposed rightward traverse is not easy to lead or follow. 4. 5c. From the fine stance climb past the peg with difficulty.

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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 93 logbooks, and on 19 wishlists.

Martin Bennett - Apr/13

captain - 2013

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 12/Aug/12

P1 Totalitarian, P2 Empire, P3 Totalitarian. Awesome climbing. P2 of Totalitarian looks cracking
tlmarjot - 2nd O/S - 12/Aug/12 with Mark Almack, Chris Todd

Pitches 1&3 only
markalmack - 2nd O/S - 12/Aug/12 with tim marjot, chris todd

Dunx - AltLd - 03/Aug/12 with Joe M

martrin - AltLd - 29/May/12 with Colin Smith

Johann - Lead O/S - 2012

Stewart Armstrong - 2012

JonG - 2012

Stone Idol - 2012

Hidden - AltLd dnf - 01/Sep/11

amazing route. apart from the scramble start. the last pitch was ace. thought we were going to have to back off because of rain, but just about stayed dry enough.
WB - AltLd O/S - 29/Aug/11 with Guy

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Aug/11

Lead pitches one, two and four. Incredible last pitch
Laurence Everitt - AltLd O/S - 20/Aug/11 with Mark D

Mark D - AltLd O/S - 20/Aug/11 with Laurence Everitt

GuyM - AltLd - Aug/11 with will

beci tointen - Lead O/S - Aug/11 with Jamie Kean

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 25/Jul/11

Only lead middle 4b pitch wasn't feeling up to much after yesterday. but a very very good route none-the-less !
Petarghh - AltLd - 25/Jul/11 with NickoClimb

samrad - AltLd O/S - 25/Jul/11 with james G

Lord_ash2000 - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/11 with John Maskell

such a cock, pulled on the peg rather than committing to the couple of moves needed. stupid. the rest of the route was great. ill be back.
tomhull - Lead dog - 23/Jul/11 with Ben Scraggs

cooperman - AltLd O/S - 23/Jul/11 with Greg Foster

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

GeoffG - 2011

Glenn Sutcliffe - 2011

Hidden - 2011

wet and slimy, particularly 3rd pitch. I led 1st and 3rd pitches. Was very necky given the conditions but first 3 pitches cleanly led. We then abbed off in the dark from 3rd belay.
Andrew Wilson - AltLd O/S - 07/Nov/10 with Tony Womersley

Did the first 2 pitches of Communist Convert and the final pitch of Totalitarian. Really enjoyed it.
GPN - Lead O/S - 09/Oct/10 with Annette

Hidden - 2nd - 09/Oct/10

tim newton - AltLd O/S - 04/Jun/10 with harri melhuish

Hidden - 2010

Hidden - 2010

Hidden - 27/Sep/09

SiW - Lead - 27/Sep/09

Hidden - 27/Sep/09

very dirty,nice top pitch but soaking wet and full of moss..hard to see why this gets 3 stars!...loads of ticks and midge..
Christian Beck - Lead - 2009

Bob - 2009

Seymore Butt - 2009

gforce - AltLd - 27/Sep/08 with Kath

Confessional: because we were getting benighted I just blasted through the last pitch and pulled on the peg to save time :-(! 5a 5b 4b 5c, led first and 3rd pitches. Went off-route on the first pitch to begin with. A classic route for sure but my experience was slightly blighted by being short of time. Cowboys - didn't even take our headtorches up the crag with us! Numpties!
Andy S - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/08 with Nick

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 07/Oct/07

Luke Brooks - AltLd - 10/Aug/07 with Rob Grant

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/Aug/07

Best route i have ever done in the lakes. Easy for the grade.
IanJackson - AltLd - 30/Jul/07 with Robeverybody

Pretty good route, but not really three stars due to mossy rock in places. First two pitches are best with sustained steep wall and groove climbing. Plenty of ticks and midges detract from the experience too....
Chad123 - AltLd O/S - 23/Jun/07 with Emily

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 06/Jun/07

Hidden - AltLd - 02/Jun/07

wasnt climbing very well, was cold so pulled on peg on crux.
The Pylon King - AltLd dog - Jun/07 with Martin L

Best E1 in the realm....Shame you can't spell it properly..
Ian Jones - Lead O/S - 2007 with Karen Ghiselli

petegunn - Lead - 2007

Hidden - Lead O/S - 02/Jul/06

fritz_in_aotearoa - 2006

simon kimber - AltLd O/S - 2006 with Adam Gill

John Kettle - AltLd - 2005

ewen - AltLd O/S - 2005 with the kettle

Hidden - AltLd - 17/Oct/03

Done before.
Steve Crowe - Lead O/S - 17/Aug/03 with KM

whispering nic - AltLd - Apr/03 with Graham Doig

whispering nic - AltLd - Apr/03 with Graham Doig

First pitch not to be taken lightly. We had an excellent experience on this. Clean, dry, top quality rock and line. Top pitch is Out There.
chrishedgehog - AltLd - 2003 with Dan Bailey

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Sep/02

phardman - 20/Jul/97

Andy Say - Lead - 31/Aug/96

Dave Musgrove Jnr - AltLd - 18/Aug/95 with Nick Ashton

rob.grafton - Lead - 25/Jun/95 with Bruce

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 1992

Hidden - AltLd - 05/Jun/91

Hidden - AltLd - 05/Aug/90

Hidden - 1990

Steve Lenartowicz - 1990

Dave Rumney - 02/Jul/89 with Brian Wilderspin

Chris Ellis - 2nd - 17/Jun/89 with Dan Morgan

Rich Kirby - Lead - 1988 with Ray Kelly

scree - 1987

William Robertson - Lead O/S - 1986 with Emily, Steve, Shaun etc

neilh - Lead - 08/Jun/85 with dave croker

Lone Rider - AltLd - 08/Sep/84 with Alan Shand

MH - Lead O/S - 1984

MH - Lead O/S - 1984

Mike Owen - 19/Jun/83 with Steve Foxley

Hidden - Lead - 29/May/82

Hammy - AltLd - 30/Aug/81 with Rob Lawson, Jonathon Stacey

Hidden - AltLd - 10/May/80

Hidden - Lead - 10/May/80

robinsi197 - 1980 with Barbara

Mark Kemball - AltLd - 20/May/78 with Richard Lang

ian caton - AltLd O/S - 1978


Pedro50 - Lead O/S - 04/Jul/77 with Peter Douglas

Spoiled for me because it was the first 'chalked-up' route that I had followed. We were rained off after this route - so the next party would have enjoyed clean rock.
Falko - Lead O/S - 12/Jul/75 with Al W.

Paula Hamilton-Gibson - Lead - 1973 with Will Walker

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Voting
Total votes cast 45
hard E20 of 16
E20 of 16
easy E22 of 16
hard E15 of 16
E19 of 16
easy E10 of 16
hard HVS0 of 16
HVS0 of 16
easy HVS0 of 16
hard 6a0 of 15
6a0 of 15
easy 6a0 of 15
hard 5c2 of 15
5c9 of 15
easy 5c3 of 15
hard 5b1 of 15
5b0 of 15
easy 5b0 of 15
3 Stars11 of 14
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Style of ascent

Lead22 of 93 (23.7%)
Followed5 of 93 (5.4%)
Alt Leads42 of 93 (45.2%)
Unknown24 of 93 (25.8%)

'Climbed'56 of 93 (60.2%)
clean O/S34 of 93 (36.6%)
dogged2 of 93 (2.2%)
dnf1 of 93 (1.1%)