Think that's the point. ;-)

Interesting stuff on 8a.nu about the grading problem. It seems to me that actually the French grading system can cope with this type of thing ok as it has route grades, Font grades and Font traverse grades. As Koyamada has said of his own creation "this is not bouldering". Equally, it is not a route and therefore the logical grade to give it would be 8c+ (font traverse grade) which is different to 8c+ as a straight bouldering grade. The only reason this system falls down is that the problem is in an area where V grades are used and therefore Koyamada gave Wheel Of Life V16 as it's harder than the V15 problems in the same area (these are also "boulder routes"). V16 has been translated to Font 8c+ but that aint right. The solution seems simple. Instead of the hybrid 8Cc+ type grade that 8a.nu are proposing utilise the fact that we have this unnecessary two system grade situation in bouldering already. Font grades for boulder problems, V grades for "boulder routes"? Then everyone would know where they were. Don't suppose the Americans (or the French) would go for it but it would work. Of course there would still be the problem of where to draw the line between problem & "boulder route" but that wouldn't really matter (and would make for lots of interesting discussions). At least we wouldn't have this ridiculous situation where a 68 move "problem" with numerous rests/chalking up points etc is given a bouldering grade.

Some climbers in the US give a YDS grade (5.11a....5.13b) for traverses. Only on a local scale though.

Don't think that works either though Mick as you need definition between route and "boulder route" grades. Traverses and link ups shouldn't get the same grade as routes as they don't have the same difficulties (rope & harness, clips, psychological factor, difficulty of working the moves etc). They are different but then they are also different to boulder problems so they need a different system imo.