In reply to MJH:
> (In reply to fxceltic) So 2nd in a Vuelta TT beating Brad doesn't count as really good
agreed, I referenced that one myself earlier, was just referring to the examples you gave
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> My point is that it is not exactly an isolated result given his injury and health record. Out of the handful of grand tours he has been in his TT record isn't that poor, it certainly isn't a one off.
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> To put things into context - at last year's tour on stage 20 TM beat Cadel by 7 secs on a 42.5k course. Cancellera was 7th 1m42 down (behind Richie Porte among others). Van Gaarderen was 5m11 down!
and that was on stage 20, Thomas De Gendt finished I think 4th (IIRC) in that stage.
TVG has greatly improved himself since then, in line with his age and experience (you could make a similar ish case for Froome I suppose)
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> I just don't think it is fair to dismiss Froome on the grounds that he has come from nowhere...
Im not dismissing him or rushing to scream "dopage" at him either. Im simply saying that in the light of the result yesterday in particular and also saturdays stage finish, there is "slightly" more cause for suspicion than there is with Wiggins.
And this is all in relation to the screaming outrage/ discussion on "the clinic" dont forget. Its all relative.
I personally feel less certain about Froome than Wiggins, but have to admit Im without any evidence to back that up.
Someone tweeted a link last night to Froomes wattage and Vam on the vuelta TT from last year and even though his result was excellent, there was nothing unusual in his figures, so fair enough