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Is bigger than Hendrix

Not in a literal sense, Hendrix was 1.8M and Marr is 1.73M

But his tunes are more 'hummable' and that goes a long way imo

Not  heard of Johnny Marr but you're probably right., I never saw my school mates walking round carrying a "Humalong With Hendrix " LP under their arms.

I know which tune I like to hum when I'm aiming for a cadence of 90, and the first word is Foxy not Heaven and the last is Lady not Now.

You're right - I'm missing the point, I might as well compare a volkswagen beetle with an ocelot

Andy Rourke drove the Smiths 

Have you heard any of Marr's fairly recent output? Easy Money is really hummable.

I like the Electronic stuff he did, quite hummable and the closest to dance music that I will probably ever enjoy at my age 

Hendrix was the man who opened the door to a lot of what came after. A true innovator. I think Marr is/was one as well but not perhaps to the same degree. Other innovators of the electric guitar? There are many of course but for me, one of the true greats was Eddie Van Halen and his 'brown sound'. When their first LP came out it was obvious that something special had just landed. Spawned a whole host of imitators and 'shredders'.

My lad has a Man City shirt from the 'Aguerroooo!' title winning season, signed after the game by Yaya You're..... and Johnny Marr, who was also there

I bet these days he feels like a dick for starting a band with the Nigel Farage of indy pop.

Morrissey is certainly not right in the mind however Marr transcends indy pop thankfully.

Nicked his whole guitar sound from the marvellous Tony (T.S.)  McPhee of the mighty Groundhogs

from 1972

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Thought Marr could have given Boris a harder time this morning though...

He has form for that too...

https://twitter.com/Johnny_Marr/status/1337001620203335683

Excellent.

Sounds like the Happy Mondays did a bit of borrowing from them too, when they'd had enough of ripping off Jaki Liebezeit rhythms.

EVH for sure, and a complete next level (or two) up from 60s and early 70s guitarists. I’m reading a collection of interviews with EVH at the moment, and the one inspirational guitarist he talks about more than anyone else was Alan Holdsworth. Saw VH on their first U.K. tour supporting Sabbath and they pretty well played the first album, brilliant.

Johnny Marr was a real innovator following the Smiths mantra of no rock or blues cliches, and I think he came up with something individual and new. Hendrix had worked hard, and the Marshall/Fuzz Face/Dunlop Wah/Strat sound combination is iconic. Controversially I prefer Rory Gallagher or SRV and am prepared to take abuse for it....
 

...of course apart from EVH, Holdsworth, Mcgloughlin, Vai and a few others, it seems they all should have tried a bit harder when you listen to Joe Pass, Wes Montgomery etc😂

Not heard of Johnny Marr?

He’s the guitar player from the second most over rated band ever!

I'll have to look Mr Holdsworth up. I saw VH on their first headlining tour here and they were having a bad night. Poor sound quality (booze/drugs?) spoilt the gig. I got the first couple of albums then left them behind until the Van Hagar era and bought a couple more. Recently I've been dipping into the Roth era post VH2. I particularly like the Fair Warning album, especially the tracks Unchained and Hear About it Later. If there was a museum for guitar riffs they'd be prize exhibits. Where did I put my air guitar ..... ?

If you haven’t already heard it, it’s worth picking up the 1st Montrose album, with A very young Sammy Hagar on vocals and produced by Ted Templeman. It’s the template for Van Halen and has tracks which Sammy still plays now with Joe Satriani and Chickenfoot.

Alan Holdsworth was a jazz fusion player so can be a bit challenging at first. He had a spell with a commercially successful outfit called Asia which might be easiest. However, dip your toe in with this, the guitar improv is at the end, but it’s worth watching it all for brilliant musicians at the top of their game.....

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Yes, I had that album - Space Station 5, what a great track! Not one to play when travelling down the open road. Impossible not to break the speed limit!

Thanks for that. I can certainly see the Van Halen in his soloing style. I actually thought the drum intro was going to break into Rock and Roll (Led Zep!). What EVH could do in spades were the blistering solos and the thundering riffs as a rhythm player. He was the complete package. A very under-rated guitarist who I've been checking up on recently is Frank Marino. I think his version of 'All Along the Watchtower' is amazing. He actually 'out-Hendrix's' Hendrix in my opinion.

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Shredding before it was invented!

Groundhogs! What a band. Saw them many times in the late sixties and seventies.

Could do with them around now. "Who will save the world? The Mighty Groundhogs"

I think he was well into a wide range of music and a veritable sponge for guitar influences. I remember reading that he was well into Steely Dan but tended to down play that in interviews with the NME

Alan Holdsworth was a jazz fusion player so can be a bit challenging at first. He had a spell with a commercially successful outfit called Asia which might be easiest.

I don't believe Allan ever played in Asia. perhaps you're thinking of Steve Howe?  Holdsworth did a spell with Bruford and UK but is mostly known for his rather superb solo works.  

Really?  I thought that Marr explicitly avoided anything that was in danger of turning into a melody when he was in the Smiths.  It was a point of honour.  Morrisey had a natural advantage in this regard of course.

If it was a competition as to how many Hendrix or Smiths tunes I could pick out on a guitar from memory, Hendrix would definitely win.  Of course, some of Hendrix's most memorable tunes weren't written by him. 

Course it was, I meant U.K., thanks for that. I was led that way as being a massive King Crimson fan, especially the Wetton Era Larks Tongues, Red, Starless.

I think Holdsworth also played in Tony Williams second incarnation of Lifetime. 

Tony was a bit of a fusion trailblazer as well...you can really hear the way his playing was going on the later Miles Davis quintet stuff especially. A massive influence on pretty much all of the drummers that followed especially Vinnie Coliauta...who also played with Holdsworth!

Ah, Vinnie. One of my favourite drummers. Great work with Zappa, and his more recent stuff with Jeff Beck has been outstanding

Rory was of course a huge influence on a young Johhny Marr. He even set his guitar on fire to make it look worn and beat up like Rory's strat.

Yup!

Theres Vinnie...then everyone else

Arguably the most technically gifted , exciting , and versatile player in the world.

Funny way to spell Buddy Rich

Good answer!! Saw him with his band in 79/80and 81. Buddy and Neil Peart were my first big drum heroes. ( Closely followed by Gadd/Max Roach and Tony Williams)

Not so familiar with Neal Peart but I know his name is always mentioned in the run down of top drummers.

For Rock stuff John Bonham's my favourite, I just love the way he played total grooves underneath the rest of the band.  Always sounded really simple but then when you listen to it there's all sorts of complex stuff going on.  Sometime his drums aren't even in the same time signature as the rest of the music.... That's clever stuff that.

Zappa selected the best for his bands, an addition the Vinnie, Chad Wackerman e fed up doing brilliant work with Holdsworth, Terry Bozzio...then there’s Steve Vai of course

Horses for courses - I rate them both!

EVH - yawn inducing twiddle-twaddle...