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Buying first rope - 30m for local gym or 60/70m to cover all bases?

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 redberry 30 Jun 2024

Hey - been top rope climbing for a while now. Took an intro to lead class recently and looking to start doing more of that.

I've found a good deal of a basic Beal Karma rope of varying lengths. My local gym only requires 30m rope - this will be where I am 90% of the time. However, I'm lucky enough to live a reasonable distance to Ratho where a longer rope is needed.

My original plan was to invest a 60/70m rope which would have me covered for Ratho, anywhere outdoors I may end up trying and also my local gym. However, given I'd only need the use of a 30m rope for the majority of my climbing, would I end up resenting the longer rope due to the extra weight/management?

Money is obviously a factor, though I'm erring on buying the cheap 30m rope, and then saving for a 60/70m treated rope down the line.

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 Fraser 30 Jun 2024
In reply to redberry:

If you go for a 30m rope and do end up at Ratho, what are you going to do then? IMO, once you've climbed indoors there, any other gym won't feel anywhere near as good. And a 30m won't get you up anything there. To me, it's a no-brainer to get a longer rope, but you could go for a compromise in the shape of a 50m untreated rope. In almost 30 years of climbing I've never bought a treated one as I simply don't need it. I now always get my ropes from Decathlon as they're usually the best bang for the buck unless there's a deal on offer somewhere else.

Plus if you get a 60 or 70m, you can always cut it or chop the ends when they (eventually) wear.

 Andypeak 30 Jun 2024
In reply to redberry:

The weight certainly won't be an issue for gym use, you only have to carry it from the carpark to the wall. 

 Hooo 30 Jun 2024
In reply to redberry:

If you're going to be a regular wall climber I'd always recommend buying a cheap short rope just for the wall. Buy a 60m when you get to the point you actually need one. There's no point in wearing out an expensive rope at the wall, and while flaking out the extra 30m every climb doesn't sound like a big deal, it gets really boring after a while.

 Andrew Lodge 30 Jun 2024
In reply to redberry:

don't assume for a minute you will only end up with one rope.

I'd get a 30m to trash at the wall and then get longer / thinner / treated ropes as required.

 nufkin 30 Jun 2024
In reply to Andypeak:

> The weight certainly won't be an issue for gym use, you only have to carry it from the carpark to the wall. 

But it will be an issue if you have to cycle across town with it.

+1 for getting the short one for now just for wall use, then a nice one for outdoors later (perhaps go Dutch with a buddy to moderate the financial blow?)

 Nick_Scots 30 Jun 2024
In reply to Hooo:

You may not realise how high Ratho wall is hence the bigger rope that’s needed.

 ExiledScot 30 Jun 2024
In reply to redberry:

50m x 10mm. Covers 99% of out and indoor routes, buy more niche ropes when you've exhausted those or the real need arises. 

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 tew 30 Jun 2024
In reply to redberry:

The correct number of ropes is N+1. Where N is your current number of ropes.

Get a 30m or maybe a 40m now and save for a decent 60m for outdoor crags

 Dave Cundy 30 Jun 2024
In reply to redberry:

Buy the 30m rope and tell your mate to buy a 60.  Yours will only last a few years, if you're keen, at which point you can go and buy another, to even things out.

OP redberry 04 Jul 2024

Appreciate all the advice here - in the end I went for the best of both worlds and bought a 30 and a 60. I've been keeping an eye on rope prices for a while and this seemed to be a good enough deal to just go for it - paid £34 for the 30 and £57 for the 60. Would have been a better deal to buy 2 x 60 and cut one in half but I was already buying more than I initially expected.

 BrendanO 04 Jul 2024
In reply to redberry: That’s a good choice, now its down to your mates to buy quickdraws and provide a car for getting to crags (or Ratho?).

Thats such a cheap rope deal, you've paid less than normal 60m price AND you get a 30m for that too!

30m also works outdoors at N Berwick Law (sport) and Limekilns (trad) and most of Benny Beg too I think. Always tie the bottom end to yourself, or to the rope bag (IKEA bag if skint)…will save your bacon if rope not long enough.

Happy climbing!

 Hooo 04 Jul 2024
In reply to redberry:

That's a bloody good deal, where did you get them?

OP redberry 05 Jul 2024
In reply to BrendanO:

Brendan, small world! You'll likely see these in person at some point - thanks for the tips, I'm sure I'll be hassling you for more advice in person as I often see you on a Tuesday.

OP redberry 05 Jul 2024
In reply to Hooo:

Go Outdoors. Though I think they might be getting low on stock. Tried two physical stores, both were out of the 60, the lady at the desk said they were showing as "out of stock" at the distribution center on her system but if you buy online they can come from other stores (or something along those lines).

Currently suffering the gamble of them sending it through Evri, so I may still never receive them.

 stujamo 10:32 Fri
In reply to redberry:

We used to buy a dedicated indoor rope, 30m, ( fine for our local wall), but they were only lasting a year at most. We started using our outdoor sport rope 70m, ( good for AW Sheffield) and we’re getting what I think is better value from it. It’s been chopped a few times now and it’s down to 55m, that would’ve been 3 x 30m ropes. HTH

stu


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