I bought a pair of these for a very cheap price. They are great for indoor training, and got me up a good, hard and steep outdoor redpoint. They fit me like a glove, and they smell less evil than other shoes I've worn. I don't have the same confidence on micro-edges and smears than with some top-end shoes I've worn, I find them a little less sticky, and a bit bulky for some technical limestone routes. They are thick, yet sensitive and they are lasting a hell of a lot longer than any other brand I wear. Perfect for training and steep routes.