You obviously didn't consider for a second to not draw comparison with the jetboil because you're familiar with it. You didn't bother writing an idiots guide to the relative benefits of a trangia/canister-top/XGK either.
This is a really good review. I'm going to be blunt now, review the dragons relative to camalots just like you have reviewed this or don't bother.
> Ive had primus kit before and it was all top quality.
> BUT, this stove, after having had a look it, is useless! I think toby here is modestly reviewing it, but its a catastrophe in design and wobbles like crazy.
Hmmmm, one person's looked at it, the other's used it extensively. Who's opinion should I listen to.........
> but its a catastrophe in design and wobbles like crazy.
The early ones were a bit wobbly, but this has been fixed. I was sent a washer and you have to carefully disassemble the stove (managed to cut my finger doing this!) add in the washer and reassemble. This takes away the wobblyness and I guess all the newer ones are being fitted with that at manufacture. It will add on a few grams to the weight though.
I think saying its a catastrophe is far too much. It's not, its OK but as I say in the review it isn't perfect. The fact that I kept burning my fingers (not badly, but enough to make it annoying) taking the burner off the pot is by far the biggest issue with I have. I guess they couldn't just do the same as the Jetboil does with a bayonet fitting, so came up with another way, but at least with my shorty and podgy fingers that way really doesn't work as well as the Jetboil system. Nevertheless, the hanging thingamyjig is very cool, and more useful than you might think. You don't need to be on portaledge to appreciate it, you can hang the stove from small tree whilst having a picnic at the crag and not worry about knocking the stove over (always a slight worry with tower stoves).
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> OK, I better not bother then as this seems to be upsetting you so much. Do you have any other orders for me whilst we're at it?
Steve, did you apply to be a gear tester and get turned down or something? Why the hangup about the Dragon cams?
Here's a suggestion - go to a shop. Compare the two designs. Make up your own mind. It's what lots of people do and it seems to work ok.
Toby - another informative review, keep up the good work.
Well the catastrophe was mainly about the wobbliness, good they've solved that now.
I must say I did like the hanging kit, and the fact that it came with legs for the gas bottle.
How did you find the attachment for larger pots and pans, that felt a bit precarious as well, I asked my self whether I dared to put a large pan of water on to those tiny sticks. Maybe they changed that as well... Did you use it with other pans?
Interesting that the review mentions those MSR heat exchangers. I have had one for years, and found that all they are really good for is getting covered in soup when things inevitably boil over.
Good for those emergencies when you think you have run out of food I suppose - pop it in the pan for a nourishing gruel.
I would be interested to see a review of the ortik "heat it" syatem some time. A combined windshield/insulator/hanging kit for normal stoves. It looks like a cheaper option for people who already own a canister stove.
In reply to SCC: I woke up with a headache, sorry about all that. No, I got pounced on by Toby and Mick when I suggested reviews are pointless if they're not comparative, as this genuinely really good review is (er, comparative+good that is, not pointless).
I'd take a warts-and-all long-term review over a quick fondle in a shop and a chunky investment any day. These reviews are really powerful, who's going to buy an eta-solo now? They look very pretty in the shop.
In other news, jetboil have got some lightweight 0.8 litre versions on the way (2011), quoted 260g for the whole thing on the expensive ti one.
Actually, I do see Steve's point, it is obviously useful for people to have an idea of those models cams compared to each other, but just like Jon's review of the Mastercams, it just not possible that reviewers have used every piece of comparable gear on the market.
Nevertheless, after Steve so, ummm... 'robustly' made his point on the first thread, Gear Ed Sarah called up BD and they sent me a set of Camalots to review in competition with the Dragons http://lightfromthenorth.blogspot.com/2010/09/camfight-at-ok-crack-o-rral.html so actually I was just being snotty in my reply to him yesterday - his wish is actually UKC's command after all! And as a result I'm toting around a huge sackful of shiny heavy metal looking for steep cracks to scare myself in every time I go to a crag now!
Scarab - I haven't actually used the stove with a big stove yet, but I tried it at home and it felt no worse than my MSR stove on top of my Pocket Rocket in terms of instability. The canister 'legs' help there as well.
> and found that all they are really good for is getting covered in soup when things inevitably boil over. Good for those emergencies when you think you have run out of food I suppose - pop it in the pan for a nourishing gruel.
Like I say, great for big snow melting sessions on expeditions, not so useful for general camping. I guess it kept boiling over your soup because it worked so well though?
> I would be interested to see a review of the ortik "heat it" syatem some time. A combined windshield/insulator/hanging kit for normal stoves. It looks like a cheaper option for people who already own a canister stove.
I got paid today, so I thought I would take a punt. I will do a writeup when I have had a bit of a play.
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