In reply to Andy Hyslop - UKClimbing.com: niether have arc'teryx they been alive what since 91? and mountain hardwear only 2 years younger! you should put berghaus and ME in their place then if you are looking for long term brands.
In reply to Andy Hyslop - UKClimbing.com:
Surely you have to compare brands that make the same item, otherwise its a bit of a pointless venture. a set of DMM nuts way outlasts a HH thermal but lacks in the cut, breathability and wicking side of things.
Likewise Buffalo jackets are excellent at keep[ing you warm but don't have the simmer control of the primus.
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> Surely you have to compare brands that make the same item, otherwise its a bit of a pointless venture. a set of DMM nuts way outlasts a HH thermal but lacks in the cut, breathability and wicking side of things.
I tried to choose brands from different product areas with the same attributes. e.g. footwear, hardware, clothing etc.
In reply to Andy Hyslop - UKClimbing.com: For quality and product service it's got to be Pod. Indestructable sacks, and when you do want a repair, the do the best. Get yours now befor they switch production to the Far East now the brand has been sold. Look at what has happened to all the other formally great brands once they switched to Far Eastern production.
POD did not meet all the criteria of Andy, though I am sure that in time, they and Patagonia and Buffalo and Grivel? will all be there if they keep the same quality, along with Rab and some other tent makers who rise above the rest as the old Phoenix firm did.
Petzl!! What a bunch toss products they've produced over the years. As much as I am a bit of a francophile, they really do produce some shit. And contenders for the 100m headtorch dash, oh there's just Petzl, guess they've won then.
They gave us The Headtorch, the gri gri, and more inventive ropework kit than everyone else combined. They may be more connected to caving and roped access, but they have had a pretty big and positive impact on mountaineering kit.
In reply to biped: There most notable product was the headtorch, shame it was shit. But yes there other stuff was innovative, never going to get into my top 10 though. Apart from that your list is pretty spot on, scarpa/boreal same company though aren't they?
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> Petzl!! What a bunch toss products they've produced over the years. As much as I am a bit of a francophile, they really do produce some shit. And contenders for the 100m headtorch dash, oh there's just Petzl, guess they've won then.
I'd say Petzl are about the most innovative climbing company out there.
Is this just a UK list ? if you asked the question in France I'm sure Millet & Petzl would be top of the list, in Canada no doubt MEC would get a mention for their clothing, rucksacs & tents, presume in NZ MacPac would get in together with Fairy Down (do they still exist ?)
In reply to Andy Hyslop - UKClimbing.com:
There are so many!
most companies are very good at one or two things and ok at other things. also personal preferance proberbally makes up alot of how we tell the difference from the very top brands i.e patagonia fit me great but Mountain Hardware doesnt. and i really like BD cams and petzl ice screws.
Where is the LOVE!!! FISH Products in the top 3 for sure. Longevity in the industry, durability, function, price, and the intangible of "coolness" just oozes from this industry leader.
Bradasmc16 Jun 2007
In reply to Flicka: Brasher (their Hillmaster boot is the best i've ever purchased) Bridgedale socks are the bussines, Ajungilak, Berghause and helly hansen. Northface waterproof jackets are a bag of shite.
> Based on longevity, long term product focus, sustained high quality of manufacture. It took my about 30 seconds to knock up this list so feel free to rip it apart.
> Helly Hansen
Are their products any better than Patagonia's capiline and regulator, base layers and fleeces? Arguabley Patagonia invented polyester base layers and very the first company to producede none pilling fleece in form of synchillia.
Who? Aren't they a running brand?
> La Sportiva
Granted - Very High Quaility well made and inovative products that have been around for ages like: Mythos, Nepals Tops, Spaniks, Olympus Mons, Trangos ect.
Great well made kit, however i feel Black Diamond are more deserving of this place due to still being making the only ice tool, which you can realistically change a broken pick on a route. As well as the orginal Wiregate krab, and the first descent screwin/out ice screws and the first asermetric hexentrics and camalots.
Granted. Really nice well made and inovitive brand. Constantly redesigning their products and making brilliant bits of kit like, Mixmasters pants and Jackets, Grade VI jackets, DAS Parkas and other sythetic products.
Although its well made kit. I don't tihnk it deserves a place in the top ten best brands ever.
Arn't MSR a more inovitive and equally well made brand.
Well made stuff that lasts, but i think a tent or sleeping bag company deserves a place more.
Very nice looking kit, that well made. But as brand have the actually done anything revolutionary? Alot of their features seem very gimmicky to me. I think TNF, who although arn't a fraction of the brand they once were, but have made some fantastic products, like those mountain jacket and bibs that came in pink and yellow and Tents like the VE25, which have remained virtually unchanged for near 25 years.
Absolutely, all their gear is superb well made an inovitive. They are also constantly improving perfectly good products.
In My view from a purley climbing and winter climbing view the top ten most influentcail and inovitive brands would be:
Friends - arguable the most important devolpment in climbing since the invention of karabiner. Also Rocks and HB offsets.
Really nice well made ropes, which handle nicely and very durable. + a range of inovitive and well made clothing.
Extremly well made rucksacks, which are made still made in the UK. Also the only rucksack manufacture which will customise their bags to suit you.
The best down bags and clothing avalible anywhere.
> Although its well made kit. I don't tihnk it deserves a place in the top ten best brands ever.
I can't quite see how the people who invented the idea that breathability is more important than being waterproof (soft shell as it is now called) about 30 years ago, and that every other outdoor clothing brand are now doing it cannot make the top ten. I think they should be in the top 5 along with people like Wild Country who invented the friend.