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What's a little bit warmer than a ME Eclipse?

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 DaveHK 01 Oct 2020

Winter climbing I layer a ME Eclipse hooded T over a Rab Powergrid Pullover.

This has worked pretty well but I'd like something just a little bit warmer for crappy days. 

Any suggestions?

Ta.

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 innes 01 Oct 2020
In reply to DaveHK:

Try and get a hold of a Rab Alpha Freak Pull On before they disappear.  I think they’ve stopped making them, which is a classic case of a great piece of kit that lacks sales volume so it gets axed.  It’s  warmer than my ME Eclipse and dries so much quicker - it’s really  very noticeable how much better unlined Alpha material is compared to Grid Fleece wrt drying out, which I didn’t expect - plus it’s got other neat features like a windproof hood, thumb loops etc.  For “crappy days” it’s easily the best midlayer I’ve used...

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 DaveHK 01 Oct 2020
In reply to innes:

Looks like I'm a bit late!

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 nickcj 02 Oct 2020
In reply to DaveHK:

Small and XL still available half price on sport pursuit! 

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 DaveHK 02 Oct 2020
In reply to nickcj:

> Small and XL still available half price on sport pursuit! 

Cheers but I'm definitely a medium!

Does anyone know if there's anything between the Eclipse and the Patagonia R1 in terms of warmth? Given that they're almost identical weights I can't imagine there would be.

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 Big Lee 02 Oct 2020
In reply to DaveHK:

Another option I guess is to add another layer all together? I primarily climb with a warm base layer and an ME Transition synthetic jacket as a midlayer, then use my Eclipse as a second baselayer if it's really cold. The Transition jacket, or another lightweight synthetic insulation is going to pack down easily in the bag for the approach and maybe gives you a little bit more flexibility with layers throughout the day maybe? 

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 Cobra_Head 02 Oct 2020
In reply to DaveHK:

What's a little bit warmer than a ME Eclipse?

Two ME Eclipses.

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 rogerwebb 02 Oct 2020
In reply to DaveHK:

> Winter climbing I layer a ME Eclipse hooded T over a Rab Powergrid Pullover.

> This has worked pretty well but I'd like something just a little bit warmer for crappy days. 

> Any suggestions?

> Ta.

Add a synthetic gilet on the rubbish days?

Gives more flexibility. 

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 galpinos 02 Oct 2020
In reply to DaveHK:

In the grand UKC tradition of not answering your question, I wear my eclipse as a base layer (or solar eclipse if warmer) and then have a Patagucci Nano Air* as a mid layer. Pretty warm, but also very breathable.

*Other synthetic breathable insulation options available.

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 RBK 02 Oct 2020
 iainballantyne 02 Oct 2020
In reply to DaveHK:

I have a Rab Alpha Direct jacket that i really like to use as a mid-layer on crap weather days in winter (same as the "Rab Alpha Freak Pull On" Innes is on about apart from with a thin windproof layer on top). I find it really good at retaining warmth even when its soaked through (I'm quite bad at always having my hood down when i'm at a section of climbing i find difficult so invariably end up with quite alot of snow on the inside of my hardshell). And having the windproof outer is great as for when u are walking out or moving fast and want to ditch a layer and its not snowing/ raining, as it keeps the wind off you and whilst somehow keeping you warm whilst not too sweaty.

You've probably got your systems a bit better dialed than me although i find on poor weather days my default system is walk in in long sleeve baselayer under hardshell > change baselayer to fresh dry ME Eclipse Hooded T (the fabled "T-Sneachda Striptease"), then Rab Alpha direct and hardshell on top, Bon!

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 Graeme G 02 Oct 2020
In reply to Cobra_Head:

> What's a little bit warmer than a ME Eclipse?

> Two ME Eclipses.

Would that not be ‘twice’ as warm? That sounds significantly more than an little bit’.

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In reply to DaveHK:

So you're layering two fleeces, with no significantly wind resistant layer?

I'd just stick a windshirt on top of either.

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 Cobra_Head 02 Oct 2020
In reply to Graeme G:

> Would that not be ‘twice’ as warm? That sounds significantly more than an little bit’.

The law of diminishing marginal returns 

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 DaveHK 02 Oct 2020
In reply to captain paranoia:

> So you're layering two fleeces, with no significantly wind resistant layer?

I assumed that people would realise this is under a hardshell, I can't imagine anyone climbing in two grid fleeces alone! 

As for softshells, I find the number of days when you can climb in a softshell to be very few so I've given up on them hence the old school fleece / hardshell combo.

Because it's only ever going to be under a hardshell I don't need a fleece with wind resistance.

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In reply to DaveHK:

I've just got a Patagonia R1 Air pull-over.

It's a lot warmer than Eclipse or standard R1 hoody, despite that it looks similar and is of a lower weight.

It comes in Purple too, which is always a winner with me!

https://eu.patagonia.com/gb/en/product/mens-r1-air-zip-neck-fleece/40245.html?dwvar_40245_color=PUR&cgid=mens-fleece-technical

Another good option would be Patagonia R2 Jacket. 

 Tom

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In reply to DaveHK:

I use a Rab Alpha Flux jacket as a winter mid layer and love it, in fact I wear it loads, as a stand-alone in spring summer and autumn , great to climb in, really light, wind proof and really warm, also breaths great and wicks moisture away. 
 

hope that helps

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 TechnoJim 16 Oct 2020
In reply to DaveHK:

The Alpha Direct is fantastically warm - almost too much so. I don't think it works that well as a midlayer for Scottish Winter unless you really, really suffer with the cold, which I don't, especially now that I'm extra 'buff' after lockdown. 

It's brilliant as on outer layer on days when you don't need a hardshell.

I've gone back to various standard fleeces over a montane merino/poly baselayer, although I now fill my Alpha Direct so snugly I might have a go wearing it Buffalo style this winter...

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 tripehound 17 Oct 2020
In reply to iainballantyne:

> You've probably got your systems a bit better dialed than me although i find on poor weather days my default system is walk in in long sleeve baselayer under hardshell > change baselayer to fresh dry ME Eclipse Hooded T (the fabled "T-Sneachda Striptease"), then Rab Alpha direct and hardshell on top, Bon!

I walk in with a Rab Alpine light. Quick striptease to put on a Paramo hooded gridded top followed by the Rab then Paramo jkt.

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