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Do you have an older Landranger Sheet 24?

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 DaveHK 22 Feb 2023

I've got edition B3 of the above and it says revised 1996-97, copyright 2011.

Has anyone got an older copy of this map to hand? If so could you check something for me?

On my edition the north-most of the main corries on Beinn Bhan is named as Coire Toll a’ Mhèine but in the current climber's guide it's named as Coire Toll a' Bhein. Was it named the latter on previous editions of the map?

Thanks. 

 deepsoup 22 Feb 2023
In reply to DaveHK:

I don't have an older copy of that map, but if it's any help you can get a good look at quite a variety of old maps online via the National Library of Scotland.

Seems it was Coire Toll a’ Mhèine on the OS 6-Inch map (1888-1913) at least:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=14.4&lat=57.46183&lon=-5.6676...
(Does this link work?)

 Mark Bull 22 Feb 2023
In reply to DaveHK:

It's Coire Toll a’ Mhèine on the 1969 1:10000 map: https://maps.nls.uk/view/188134029

Pre-1900 6in maps have "Coire Toll-dobhrain": https://maps.nls.uk/view/74428429

Can't find any map with "Coire Toll a' Bhein", but this name appears in SMCJ in 1995 (page 643)

https://simrich.ams3.digitaloceanspaces.com/SMCJ/Number%20186%20-%20Vol%203... 

and in a 1986 Edinburgh Orienteering Newsletter: https://www.interlopers.org.uk/uploads/newsletters/CapitalO8-8603.pdf

Post edited at 12:34
 Martin W 22 Feb 2023
In reply to DaveHK:

I don't have the earlier Landranger, but NLS maps has a 1:10,000 OS map surveyed/revised: 1966 to 1968, published: 1969 on which it is shown as Coire Toll a’ Mhèine.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/188134029

The one-inch maps of that era don't name the corrie at all, and nor does the most recent 1:25,000 OS map the NLS has (1941).

Could the difference just be [yet] another case of the OS stubbornly failing to spell Gaelic placenames properly?

OP DaveHK 22 Feb 2023
In reply to deepsoup:

> I don't have an older copy of that map, but if it's any help you can get a good look at quite a variety of old maps online via the National Library of Scotland.

> Seems it was Coire Toll a’ Mhèine on the OS 6-Inch map (1888-1913) at least:https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=14.4&lat=57.46183&lon=-...

> (Does this link work?)

Thanks.

I had a look at them but didn't manage to find one it was named on.

Post edited at 12:43
OP DaveHK 22 Feb 2023
In reply to Martin W:

> Could the difference just be [yet] another case of the OS stubbornly failing to spell Gaelic placenames properly?

OS have made great improvements in this regard.

I've had a look in the digitised OS namebooks which are the best source for this stuff. I couldn't find any entries under Mheine or Bhein for that area but did find Allt Coire Toll-dobhrain. The namebook has this as Stream of the Hollow of the Beaver's Hole although other sources translate dobhrain as otter.

https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/r...

Thanks to all for the help. 

Post edited at 13:03
 Jack Frost 22 Feb 2023
In reply to DaveHK:

I've got the 1991 version of Landranger 24. The corrie is not named on the map. 

Those that are named on that edition in order from south to north:

  • Coire Each
  • Coire na Feola
  • Coire na Poite
  • Coire Gorm Beag
 biggianthead 22 Feb 2023
In reply to DaveHK:

I have the 1974 revision of Landranger 24.

The coire isn't named

 Andy Johnson 22 Feb 2023
In reply to DaveHK:

On my 1957 paper copy of the 1955 no. 26 inch/mile map, only the three south-most corries (Coire Each, Coire na Feòla, and Coire na Poite) and the northernmost (Coire Gorm Beag) are named. What the B3 landranger #24 names Coire an Fhamair and Coire Tol a' Mhèine are unnamed. I don't think this was due to lack of space because of the slightly smaller scale, as the earlier map sets names at angles and along curves as needed, and there seems to me to be sufficient room.

Fwiw the naming, or not, of the various lochans around the corries is consistent across the two maps.

(Out of interest, I wonder when the OS started setting place names horizontally-only? From a quick glance the current landrangers and explorers seem to only use angled text for names of roads / rivers / geographic features etc.)


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