/ stuck cam on 'seams the same'
last week I got my green totem cam stuck on 'seams the same' in Serengeti. if anyone else climbs the route and manages to get it out I would happily pay for the postage to get it sent back to me, and get the person a pint as well.
If stuck and abandoned then surely it's legitimate swag? Discuss.
Absolutely legit swag that.
Not that I'll be climbing it anytime soon but I'd say it's legit if you haven't read this post but if you have then you might feel a bit guilty knowing the owner is contactable and offering postage + compensation.
Compensation = a pint. A Totem apparently costs £70. Generous not.
In a bit of a "shitty, I'm going to be a dick mood"?
> Not that I'll be climbing it anytime soon but I'd say it's legit if you haven't read this post but if you have then you might feel a bit guilty knowing the owner is contactable and offering postage + compensation.
Equally, I'd never have the cheek to post about losing gear in such a fashion and think putting a 'guilt trip' on readers of such threads goes against the whole Crag Swag ethic.
Are cams good protection on slate. I always thought slate sort of lubricated on load and cams could fail unless in passive mode. But hey what do I know.
If I was there, got it out and then read your post, I'd happily send it back just for the postage.
No guilt trip involved. Not a question about insufficiently generous compensation. Just a decent thing to do.
They can be good, the lack of crystals or friction reduces their reliability somewhat, I can imagine they would rip out of anything a bit flaring, but there are loads of good placements,
More of a concern would be the large forces generated by the camming action, which I always assumed is what ripped the big flake off at bus stop?
I guess you take what gear is there, and what you see is the best option at the time,
I’ll happily wonder up there on Monday and try and get it out on rap if it’s still there. Expect it will be, weathers honking.
Re establishing faith in fellow man. Right there.
Crag swag to one side, it is nice to be nice!
He never said he was going to return it ;)
Haha, I knew someone would pick up on that!
If I get it, I’ll return it
Abandoned gear is absolutely fair game. Them's the rules.
So the OP is asking really nicely for some help if anyone happens to get it out.
If you got it out, would you keep it, even though you've read this post?
> So the OP is asking really nicely for some help if anyone happens to get it out.
> If you got it out, would you keep it, even though you've read this post?
Depends on how much effort the OP went to recover it, did he try and retrieve on ab for example, if not, it's abandoned and fair game.
I've had 2nds not get gear out and thought Sod it, good luck to whoever gets it.
I agree. I've left stuck gear and felt a bit guilty for littering the crag - always hoped that someone more competent would successfully remove it and add it to their rack. If the gear had been left in more difficult circumstances then the protocol should be adjusted accordingly.
I think crag swag would make a fantastic Judge Rinder episode.
Anyone want to buy a green Totem?
Ive got it out, placed too far back in that crack to be easy, but it was bomber, just needed a nut key to pull it out a bit.
Get in touch if you want it returning...
The price of one green totem cam, £70. The price of postage for one cam to somewhere in the UK, £5. The price of one beer in recompense, £4.50. The price to your karma for being a bit of a grumpy fecker and keeping the cam despite being asked nicely, priceless. For everything else there is Mastercard.
I've said this many times before, this is definately crag swag / litter. When I have had to abandon cams under similar circumstances, I've advertised them on here as free to whoever can get them out.
Not sure why I got a dislike for going and getting someone’s cam??
Ive messsged the OP so hopefully he’ll get it back soon.
Maybe it's because you undermined the bar stool bravado of the crag swaggers, as no one actually bothered to go and get it for themselves after saying that it's fair game etc.
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