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Cars: what does SE mean?

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 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014

In the endless types of motor cars for sale quite a lot seem to something called an "SE" as in "Camry SE", or sometimes ES. What does that mean?
 Rigid Raider 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Special Equipment? Sports Edition?
KevinD 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:
Its just the trim and features level eg heated mirrors, seats and so on.

Normally means its one or two up from the basic spec car but there doesnt seem to be any single standard so you have to look at the manufacturer.
To take the Camry it looks to be the third level.

http://www.toyota.com/camry/features.html#!/exterior/2514/2532/2546/2540

What it actually stands for depends on the manufacturer as well. often seems to be sports edition but can mean special edition etc.
Post edited at 14:09
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to dissonance:
> Its just the trim and features level eg heated mirrors, seats and so on.

> Normally means its one or two up from the basic spec car but there doesnt seem to be any single standard so you have to look at the manufacturer.

>
Thanks. Drives me mad the way manufacturers assume we are all dedicated petrol heads who understand all their obscure acronyms. Why don't they tell us about something useful like a car's turning circle instead of its BID and VIK, whatever they may be?
Post edited at 14:17
In reply to Postmanpat:



They should name them according to price. 8k, 23k, 60k etc.
 y2keable 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

In the case of my BMW, it means "Special Edition" meaning that all the stuff you would have to chose as an optional extra comes included, things like the uprated interior lighting, LED light clusters, DSC over ASC, fancy interior trim, fully electric seats ect...

However, I know on some older MBW's, SE can mean "Sports Executive" but they changed it as almost all BMW's are business cars and they're all pretty sporty.
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Blue Straggler:
> They should name them according to price. 8k, 23k, 60k etc.

That would help. But what would really help is if they could tell me the practical differnecnce between each model as opposed to useless shit like this:

"At the front, eight boldly designed kidney grille slats in high-gloss Black create an athletic effect. Embedded in a chrome-coloured frame, the kidney grille appears even larger. In the front apron, Black air inlets with aluminium-coloured horizontal bars emulate the dynamic shape of the headlights and emphasise the muscular wheel housing"


An "athletic effect", "muscular wheel housing". WTF??
Post edited at 14:25
 alexcollins123 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

come on... you really dont have to be a petrolhead to work out the one which is £5k less and doesn't have air con is probably a worse model than the one which does....
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to alexcollins123:
> come on... you really dont have to be a petrolhead to work out the one which is £5k less and doesn't have air con is probably a worse model than the one which does....

Yes, but I don't know what else is different. Am I paying £5 for an air con? Is it something to do with the engine? The suspension? The gearbox? Does it have more carburettors and overhead cam shafts?
Or maybe alloy wheels?
What the fXck is so good about alloy wheels anyway? The athletic effect maybe?
Post edited at 14:36
 TomBaker 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Most of the time if you go to their website they will have a break down of the features on each model. Then you can compare them yourself!
 ByEek 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

> What the fXck is so good about alloy wheels anyway? The athletic effect maybe?

Yes. When cars for many are a public expression about how we wish others to see us, then yes, aesthetic and brand is everything - just like fashion.

If you just want a car to get you from A to B, go to a car supermarket, tell them what your budget is and then choose from the selection they have.

If you want to fit into the UKC crowd, your only choice is a Skoda Octavia.
 graeme jackson 04 Aug 2014
In reply to alexcollins123:
> (In reply to Postmanpat)
>
> come on... you really dont have to be a petrolhead to work out the one which is £5k less and doesn't have air con is probably a worse model than the one which does....

Given that running aircon costs fuel and isn't really neccessary in Scotland, the one costing £5k less is a much better car IMO.
KevinD 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

> Yes, but I don't know what else is different.

The link I gave gives the difference between the different, current, models for the camry. You get awesome things like chrome tipped exhausts (sorry should have warned you to lie down first so you dont hurt yourself when collapsing with excitement).
What makes it more fun is all the optional stuff on top. So someone can make a whole bunch of changes on top just to confuse you.
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to dissonance:

> The link I gave gives the difference between the different, current, models for the camry. You get awesome things like chrome tipped exhausts (sorry should have warned you to lie down first so you dont hurt yourself when collapsing with excitement).
>

Yup, Toyota are a bit better than most at translating this stuff for ordinary people.

My wife wants a new car.

"Why? Yours is fine"

"I need a built in sat nav"

"So you want to spend many grand on a new car so that you can get a built in sat nav worth a £100 quid?"

"Yes, I want a built in sat nav"

I needed a lie down after that gem.
In reply to Jayson Keable:

"Special edition" usually means "way of shifting the previous model before the new one comes out".

Neil
In reply to graeme jackson:

Aircon does cost fuel, but I'm sure I remember reading less fuel than the drag created by driving with the windows open.

Neil
andic 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Standard Equipment (on Audi) which for me meant not very low profile tyres, non automatically folding wing mirrors and a 4 rather than 3 spoke steering wheel
KevinD 04 Aug 2014

> "So you want to spend many grand on a new car so that you can get a built in sat nav worth a £100 quid?"

What makes it worse is manufacturers arent always the best at updating them or charge you a shitload to do so.
The current attempt by the technology companies to tie them into particular phone OS will make it even more depressing. Buy a car and get forced to keep using iPhone/Android phone until you sell it.
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to andic:
> Standard Equipment (on Audi) which for me meant not very low profile tyres, non automatically folding wing mirrors and a 4 rather than 3 spoke steering wheel

So, depending on the maker it could mean "standard edition", "sports edition" or, "special edition". That's helpful of them.

I bet you secretly hanker after lower profile tyres and a 3 spoke steering wheel….
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 Yanis Nayu 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Sodding expensive.
In reply to Postmanpat:

I bought a new Honda with a built in SatNav. I was chuffed to bits.

When it broke after 4 years I was quoted for its replacement: £1500.

I use my mobile now.
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Rob Exile Ward:

> I bought a new Honda with a built in SatNav. I was chuffed to bits.

> When it broke after 4 years I was quoted for its replacement: £1500.

> I use my mobile now.

You need to have a chat with my wife…...
 Bellie 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Another example is Sport Elegance. It tends to lie in between the sports version and the Ghia type. With a mix of the two types.... Some wood effect and some sporty chrome features.

In reply to Jayson Keable:

'Special Edition' on my Discovery means Connolly Hide, walnut trim, big alloys and sat-nav. All very useful for moving concrete and building materials off road which is its standard work at the moment....
 Gwilymstarks 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

I remember vauxhall car specs as

G - Grim
GL - Gives Little
GLS - Generally Low Spec
S - Somthings (but not much)
SE - Something Extra


 felt 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

What does CD1 mean on Mercs. Obvs not Corps Diplomatique or announcing the hifi spec. But what?
 BnB 04 Aug 2014
In reply to felt:

> What does CD1 mean on Mercs. Obvs not Corps Diplomatique or announcing the hifi spec. But what?

Crap diesel
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to felt:

> What does CD1 mean on Mercs. Obvs not Corps Diplomatique or announcing the hifi spec. But what?

No idea. What does "i" mean as in, for example "BMW 320i"
 john morrissey 04 Aug 2014
In reply to BnB:

Commonrail direct injection
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to john morrissey:

> Commonrail direct injection

Is that a good thing?
 malk 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

direct injection is more efficient and lower tax if you go for a smaller engine(unless london have their way with the diesel tax)
cdi, tdi, hdi all much the same?
 alexcollins123 04 Aug 2014
In reply to malk:

To the driver? Probably, unless it breaks, in which case the more modern the diesel engine the more expensive to fix (usually).

Neil
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to alexcollins123:
>

Hilarious.

I googled SE. No joy. If I google "i" what do you reckon?
They're supposed to be selling me a car, not setting me off on an internet goose chase.

Can't they just put a key explaining the acronyms?

"Models followed by "I"denote those with direct (fuel?) injection. The benefits of this are..."
Post edited at 21:09
 andymac 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

I think nearly all new Diesel engines are common rail

My new van is.

Lower emissions ,better fuel economy and all that.everybody's happy
 Postmanpat 04 Aug 2014
In reply to andymac:

> I think nearly all new Diesel engines are common rail

> My new van is.

> Lower emissions ,better fuel economy and all that.everybody's happy

So why do they mention it? To make us think we're getting something special I assume, even if we don't know what it is.
 andymac 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

They are an improvement .

I get 55-60 mpg from a VW Caddy.

Last Caddy (10 plate) ; lucky if I got 40mpg
 mp3ferret 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Sexy Elbows
 Skol 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

It means slow ejaculator, as opposed to fuel injected.
KevinD 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

> So why do they mention it? To make us think we're getting something special I assume, even if we don't know what it is.

Because not mentioning it would imply it doesnt have it, which would be the case in a few lower spec or older cars.
 graeme jackson 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Neil Williams:

> Aircon does cost fuel, but I'm sure I remember reading less fuel than the drag created by driving with the windows open.

Again, we're talking about Scotland. Not many opportunities to open the windows.


In reply to graeme jackson:



Neil
 Brass Nipples 04 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Look years ago they used to advertise 5 speed because not that many years ago manual gearboxes were just 4 forward gears plus reverse. I for injection was a 80s hot hatch thing as in GTi.

Just look at the spec when you do a test drive. We chose a lower spec car at last purchase as it had much lower mileage and the extras of the SE weren't of much interest to us.

In reply to Postmanpat:

Oh grow up. It's not that hard. I know naff all about cars but decided last year that I fancied a MG Zt-T. 5 minutes on Google and I ruled out the petrol engine and honed in on a fairly entry-level 2.0 CDTi. without fussing about what CDTi stood for.
 Postmanpat 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Blue Straggler:
> Oh grow up. It's not that hard. I know naff all about cars but decided last year that I fancied a MG Zt-T. 5 minutes on Google and I ruled out the petrol engine and honed in on a fairly entry-level 2.0 CDTi. without fussing about what CDTi stood for.

Ive owned a car for 6 years with an SE Di in the name. Apart from knowing that D meant diesel I'd no idea what the rest meant until yesterday. So I'm obviously as grown up as you.

Actually you've just confirmed my point. That most of the acronyms are either pointless or confusing affectations.
Thank you
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 felt 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Don't worry, he's confused as well by wanting an MG.
In reply to Postmanpat:

Sorry about the "grow up" comment, it was somewhat out of line.
In reply to felt:
> (In reply to Postmanpat)
>
> Don't worry, he's confused as well by wanting an MG.

I fancied the high adventure of having a clutch made from margarine
 John2 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

The CDTi acronym does actually mean something. First there were naturally aspirated diesel engines, then turbocharged ones, then direct injection turbocharged ones. Each technological advance brought improvements in fuel consumption and performance. The fact is, most people know nothing at all about the technology of the cars that they drive (no reason why they should, of course).
 y2keable 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Neil Williams:
> (In reply to Jayson Keable)
>
> "Special edition" usually means "way of shifting the previous model before the new one comes out".
>
> Neil

I'm not sure about that. My SE is the E46, the "new" model (E92) wasn't released until 3 years later =/
 y2keable 05 Aug 2014
In reply to John2:

Often I see "TDCi" which I'm sure stands for Turbocharged Direct Central-line injection.

Central-line injection and a turbo is standard on pretty much all diesels these days. Makes you wonder why they bother making a "TDCi" badge for the back of the car anymore.
 Bellie 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Jayson Keable:

Yes, SE is actually a trim level in many car ranges, not actually denoting a Special Edition. As I recall in some - they actually use 'Special Edition' spelled out in full. In most cases where they are trying to move on older models, manufacturers bring out a base model and add a few features - then call it by a name instead... like 'Finesse' or 'Verona' to mention a couple of Ford 'special editions' they are usually accompanied with weird cloth trim!

In reply to Postmanpat:

SE = Superduper Engineering
 John2 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Jayson Keable:

Indeed, but at the point when they changed to the new engine it did make sense.
 felt 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

Then there's the phenomenon of people who request not to have any identifying marks whatsoever on the back of their car, you know, embarrassed 320d owners. What are these cars called? Emasculated?

In this vein, appropriately, Will Self filed, scraped or otherwise removed all of the places where it said Volvo on his car (steering wheel, back, etc. Not sure if he went under the bonnet, but I seem to recall that he did.).
 Fraser 05 Aug 2014
In reply to felt:

> In this vein, appropriately, Will Self filed, scraped or otherwise removed all of the places where it said Volvo on his car (steering wheel, back, etc. Not sure if he went under the bonnet, but I seem to recall that he did.).

That sounds very bizarre. It's not like everyone thereafter wondered what sort of car he had. It's a Volvo, and they're usually fairly distinguishable.

 y2keable 05 Aug 2014
In reply to John2:
> (In reply to Jayson Keable)
>
> Indeed, but at the point when they changed to the new engine it did make sense.

I suppose
 Cobra_Head 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Postmanpat:

In my case SE stood for Shagged Engine, never again.
 felt 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Fraser:

Yes, his was the flying-brick estate model. Not fooling anyone it's a Alfa!! Perhaps this particular passage of his life ended aboard the PM's jet?
In reply to Postmanpat:

My brother converted a Mk2 Escort Popular Plus into a fast road/rally car.
When he finished, he added 'A Lot' to the model name so that it read 'Popular Plus A Lot'.

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