In reply to Jon Stewart:
> Religion isn't just any ideology, it's whole philosophical underpinning of what the world consists of and why it is there.
Well, just like other ideologies then. From the fuzzy, not very serious through to the extreme.
> or worst of all being on the right side while others are wrong, then rational decision making - if you really take your religious philosophy seriously - goes immediately out of the window.
Trumpian "alternative facts"? True-believer Corbynistas? Supply-siders holding on to their Hayekian holy texts?
> When it comes to making important decisions about policy, we need experts in rational thought: people who know that it's only the real outcome that matters, people who don't trust anything unless they've seen the evidence, people who can cut through the illusions of human expectations and assumptions to make decisions that really achieve the best outcomes in society.
Is that your ideas of what is the best outcome for society or mine?
I'm not sure if this is a hugely naive description of how policy is made or an optimistic cry for how policy should be made? Auguste Comte in the early 19th century argued that sociology was the rational science of humanity and that sociologists would become the secular priests explaining how society worked and then changing it for the better - but of course all you get is competing ideological perspectives trying to exert power, sometimes ending in violence or totalitarianism. Who are these secular priests, these paragons of rational virtue who can tell us whether we should renew trident, what should public housing policy be, where to source sufficient nurses for the NHS once we no longer have free movement from the EU, what percentage restriction in growth would be acceptable in order to meet our commitments to the Paris climate treaty, etc etc?
> But as I've said upthread, Tim Farron was a rare example of someone who seemed able to keep the bonkers bits of his brain although alive, well in check, while operating in his political life on strong, rational principles.
I'm sure Farron would tell you that the morality that underpins his politics comes directly from his faith, doesn't stop atheists from having suspiciously similar politics, but I think I've heard him say how his faith informs his politics.