In reply to readysalted:
> I live in Herefordshire, I'm not from a rich family, or a farming family, but I an an agriculture student and farm worker.
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> From what I've seen fox hunting is a big bone of contention, even amongst country folk. I often find it ironic that people generalize farmers and country people as the harbingers of death to precious countryside animals, when it's them who infact are responsible for the maintenance of such a wonderful habitat for so many species, let alone, their own stock, who they all have a vested interest in looking after well.
We will have to agree to disagree on what a Wonderful habitat is and what looks like. The UK does not come close!! Land Management techniques in this country are attrocious and the maintenance of natural habitats for wildlife populations take a back seat on many farms and estates. If you want an example take a gander at the figures for Farmland birds...some are near extinction since 1970 with some species down 94%. The problem is we over manage and try to maintain our landscape as history piece instead of a living organism that wants to progress and change.
> I've never been involved in a hunt so am basically an outsider, but I see no problem with it. In the wild plains of africa, many wilder-beast will be clawed and mauled to death by large cats, and when this is shown on David Atinborough (sp?), it's seen as a matter of fact, window into the world of the wild. Fox hunting is basically that, in so far as it is using another animal, to chase down, and despatch of the old and the lame, of another species. It's a completely natural process. However the way that the hunts carry such a sense of occasion, and the huntsmen and ladies seem to enjoy the hunt could be seen as a sort of macabre enjoyment in seeing animals killed. A different way of viewing it would be that it's a nasty job to have to do, but if it has to be done, you may as well make a day of it, and dress up, which is surely how the tradition began. It's worth also taking into account that good things are built on tradition... but if it is at the expense of an animals life, is it still okay. The answer is surely only yes, if the animal is a pest, which the fox is, and therefore the only question then to be answered, is do the negative effects the fox has on the countryside, justify their culling. Does the end, justify the means.
There is a massive difference between a lion hunting a Zebra and a pack of blokes on horses with dogs chasing a fox. One is natural and a survival instinct the other is man making a desicion that we dont like that animal.
The fox is in a bad situation, he's the last of our large land based predators that man never got around to wiping out i.e the bear, wolf, lynx etc and some people seem to hold a grudge!! Population control when its needed is fine using a suitable method. The so called tradition of the hunt is a useless and it can be argued that it has no real impact on predator control.
You say the fox is a pest and has negative impacts on the countryside...I take it that you want all predators reduced in numbers globally? I take it that its fair game to shoot and poison Raptors as they take birds from game estates, people in Scotland moan that Golden Eagles and White Tailed Eagles take Lambs. Weasels, stoats, polecats, pine martins etc will kill hens and ducks etc. Lions will take goats from farms in Africa, Dingo's kill sheep in Australia etc etc etc etc. Natural process should be allowed to happen the Red Jacket hunters are nothing to do with population control...its purely tradition and sport!!
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> That I'm not sure about, but the foxes nature is that it will kill, for the sake of killing, and that in itself is of course unnecessary but also has financial and moral effects of other species and farmers.
So does every predator. Leopards have been recorded taking down several prey items one after each other but only feeding from one carcass. Search the BBC Big Cat Week it was them who filmed and documented it. Its instinct animals do not work on morals it works of instinct and survival. The Fox is a wild animal taking advantage of an easy situation presented to it!! Why the hell would it chase a bunny around a field when it can leap in to an unsecured hen coop and take its pick out of an animal that can not escape due to mans stupidity.